Behind Islamic Terrorism

[Zippyjuan]

Lots of groups have used the Bible to excuse violence against others. Don't forget the Cursades the Christians waged. The Old Testament (read by Jews and Christians among others) is full of revenge and wars and violence. Islam too uses portions of the Christian Bible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_the_Christian_Bible We can 't delare any religious group to be immune from teaching violence. Closest is probably the Buddhists. They will act violently but only when violence is forced upon them.

"Terrorists" are typically individuals using their religion to justify their actions- not an entire religious group themselves. Labels make it easier for us to make sense of things but they can also lead to distorted images of groups.

 

[robert9712000]

I hope you're joking. Need I quote scripture to put your argument to rest? The Bible most DEFINITELY preaches hate and violence.

Im sure you can quote things out of context without understanding the intent by which God established his will for his creation.

I hope your joking if you think you can take one little section out of the Bible and apply it as displaying the whole intent of what the Bible is trying to teach people on how to act in this life.

Your smarter than that,dont lower yourself to such a simple minded argument.

 

[Sola_Fide]

First off, we've already been over this. I never said Atheists couldn't be violent. I never said religion had a monopoly on atrocities. With that being said, it's no coincidence that countries at the top of the GPI have higher concentrations of Atheists. Secondly, neither of them killed in the name of Atheism. Though, this isn't the thread to discuss it.

Get ALL government out of marriage. THAT is the Constitutionalist approach.

Why are the vast majority of atheists in the world statists?

 

[compromise]

Read the landmark study "Dying To Win" and its follow up "Cutting The Cord" by Dr. Robert Pape. He is the expert on terrorism. And his work effectively debunks this idea that religion has anything to do with motivating terrorism. Imperialism is actually the greatest factor in inspiring terrorism.

As a side point the most terrorism isn't committed by religious radicals. The most active terrorist groups are actually Communist atheist groups, the most active of all being the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka.

They're active? I thought the LTTE disbanded.

While I have no doubt there were hordes of Christian extremists in 1190, at the current time, the most fanatical elements tend to be Muslim. Not all Muslims of course, but it's untrue to say it's not a problem in their community.

 

[Falcon63]

Im sure you can quote things out of context without understanding the intent by which God established his will for his creation.

I hope your joking if you think you can take one little section out of the Bible and apply it as displaying the whole intent of what the Bible is trying to teach people on how to act in this life.

Your smarter than that,dont lower yourself to such a simple minded argument.

You really think "God" wrote the Bible? It's not "His" word. How would there even be a way to determine what "His" intent was?

What do you make of slavery in the Bible? Verses that are pro-slavery are taken out of context, right? Everything contradictory or downright atrocious and dirty in the Bible is taken out of context, right?

Let's be realistic, the Bible was written by a bunch of power-hungry men who wanted to control simple-minded people through fear-mongering. I mean, the Bible says that the Earth is flat. If that doesn't tell you it is not the word of "God", I don't know what does.

Why are the vast majority of atheists in the world statists?

How exactly am I a statist? Please tell me.

 

[robert9712000]

You really think "God" wrote the Bible? It's not "His" word. How would there even be a way to determine what "His" intent was?

What do you make of slavery in the Bible? Verses that are pro-slavery are taken out of context, right? Everything contradictory or downright atrocious and dirty in the Bible is taken out of context, right?

Let's be realistic, the Bible was written by a bunch of power-hungry men who wanted to control simple-minded people through fear-mongering. I mean, the Bible says that the Earth is flat. If that doesn't tell you it is not the word of "God", I don't know what does.

How exactly am I a statist? Please tell me.

God did not directly write the Bible but it was written by those who were led by the spirit of God to write down his will.

2 Peter
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Im sure your response will be well how did those who assembled all the writings of Gods people know what was inspired by God and what wasnt.All i can say is those who desire to do God's will know his voice when they hear it.Im sure youll think thats not logical but i dont expect you to understand what im saying.

John 10
24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Everything you write is full of accusations.You make rash claims but provide no scripture for the reader to examine.This screams of the pride that is inside of you of which refuses to even ponder the idea that the reality you have accepted could possibly be in err.You do not desire to search for truth, but to oppress with words those who do not follow your perception of reality.You make accusations of the hate in the Bible but then you display your hate of anyone who doesnt think the way you do.You need to ponder the root of your disdain for those hold fast to the Bible and figure out why it angers you so much.

 

[Falcon63]

So your proof that the Bible is accurate is...quotes in the Bible?

So "God's" spirit believed the world to be flat and having slaves was his will?

Also, how would you even know if the authors were following "God's" will? How would you even know what "God's" will is? Who were the people following "God's" will? Who even authored the Bible?

 

[romacox]

Russia is one of the major players...........

As World War I was coming to a close, Communists and radicals of every stripe were laying the groundwork for a Socialist world government that they hoped would emerge from the ruins of the old world order. As it turns out, large banking interests and others of great wealth, in Britain and the United States, were thinking along similar lines—of course their brand of Socialism would have two classes not one. In 1918, with the help of Albert Bushnell Hart, Follett wrote a book called The New State: Group Organization the Solution of Popular Government. Folett outlined the social political and educational requirements necessary to build a world government and it was the banking interests to which her book was addressed. (31)

31 Mary Parker Follett, The New State: Group Origination the Solution of Popular Government” originally published: (New Your: longmans, Green Co. 1918v- Reprinted by the Pennsylvania State university press 1998) page 15. The New State can be found online: http://sunsite.utk.edu/FINS/Mary_Parker_Follett/Fins-MPF-01.html[/URL

These three interests have stirred up a hornets nest through endless U.S. wars of nation building, fast and furious, ext. Then they opened our borders to these angry hornets ([URL="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3011654/posts"]even paying them to come here), while attempting to disarm us. It is no accident. Once the collapse comes, American's will be blamed leaving the "World Bank" free to save the day with a one world currency, and one world governing power.

P.S. One of the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto is: 5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/tenplanks.html

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Russia is one of the major players...........

As World War I was coming to a close, Communists and radicals of every stripe were laying the groundwork for a Socialist world government that they hoped would emerge from the ruins of the old world order. As it turns out, large banking interests and others of great wealth, in Britain and the United States, were thinking along similar lines—of course their brand of Socialism would have two classes not one. In 1918, with the help of Albert Bushnell Hart, Follett wrote a book called The New State: Group Organization the Solution of Popular Government. Folett outlined the social political and educational requirements necessary to build a world government and it was the banking interests to which her book was addressed. (31)

31 Mary Parker Follett, The New State: Group Origination the Solution of Popular Government” originally published: (New Your: longmans, Green Co. 1918v- Reprinted by the Pennsylvania State university press 1998) page 15. The New State can be found online: http://sunsite.utk.edu/FINS/Mary_Parker_Follett/Fins-MPF-01.html

These three interests have stirred up a hornets nest through endless U.S. wars of nation building, fast and furious, ext. Then they opened our borders to these angry hornets (even paying them to come here), while attempting to disarm us. It is no accident. Once the collapse comes, American's will be blamed leaving the "World Bank" free to save the day with a one world currency, and one world governing power.

P.S. One of the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto is: 5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/tenplanks.html

I just added a ']' to the end of url link code for the link to: http://sunsite.utk.edu/FINS/Mary_Parker_Follett/Fins-MPF-01.html

 

[robert9712000]

So your proof that the Bible is accurate is...quotes in the Bible?

So "God's" spirit believed the world to be flat and having slaves was his will?

Also, how would you even know if the authors were following "God's" will? How would you even know what "God's" will is? Who were the people following "God's" will? Who even authored the Bible?

Im not attempting to prove anything too you,Im suggesting that what you deem as facts and truth do not hold a monopoly on logic.I know it doesnt matter what i say, if i did try to prove the Bible because you have already decided in your mind that it isnt a possibility and therefor you will see whatever is presented too you in a different light and not accept it as truth.

I know what is truth and what is Gods will because the holy spirit in me confirms it.Without the holy spirit you can not discern spiritual things.

Again,im not expecting you to understand me or believe what i say,all i am saying is what you have come to hold too as reality and reason is not all there is.

 

[Falcon63]

Im not attempting to prove anything too you,Im suggesting that what you deem as facts and truth do not hold a monopoly on logic.I know it doesnt matter what i say, if i did try to prove the Bible because you have already decided in your mind that it isnt a possibility and therefor you will see whatever is presented too you in a different light and not accept it as truth.

I know what is truth and what is Gods will because the holy spirit in me confirms it.Without the holy spirit you can not discern spiritual things.

Again,im not expecting you to understand me or believe what i say,all i am saying is what you have come to hold too as reality and reason is not all there is.

Let me ask you this, would this "holy spirit inside you" be Allah if you were born in Iran? Or would it be Zeus if you were born in Ancient Greece? You'd most likely be just as convinced that they were the one and only god as you are of "God" right now. Look up "Richard Dawkins What If You're Wrong" on YouTube. It basically says what I'm trying to say.

 

[WhistlinDave]

Yep. At the least, it has Ron Paul against gay marriage, which essentially violates civil rights, in my opinion.

Obviously I support Ron Paul, hence why I'm on this forum, but Christianity has caused most terrorism against us, in my opinion. Muslims are no better, nor are Zionists.

Common misconception. Ron Paul is not "against gay marriage." He personally defines marriage as between a man and a woman, but he does not believe he has the right to force his beliefs on everyone else or define marriage for everyone. "Against" would imply taking efforts to stop other people from doing it, which Ron Paul does not advocate for. (Not that I have ever heard.)

I don't want to derail this thread, so I apologize for posting this but I really get tired of hearing people mischaracterize Ron Paul's position on this issue. (Please go back to discussing terrorism unless you have evidence I'm wrong here....)

In the first video, skip to about 12:10. This is where the quote in my signature line comes from, by the way. That was 2007. The second video was 2012. He has remained consistent on this issue.

 

[WhistlinDave]

Why are the vast majority of atheists in the world statists?

I'm not sure if that's accurate, because I know plenty of atheists who are Libertarian. I think what you meant to ask was why all Communist dictatorships require atheism from their subjects? And the answer to that is, they want the State to be the ultimate authority, and if you let people worship or believe in God, then the State is no longer the highest authority in those peoples' minds.

 

[Falcon63]

He personally defines marriage as between a man and a woman, but he does not believe he has the right to force his beliefs on everyone else or define marriage for everyone.

Well, just because he wants to leave it to the states doesn't mean he's against it.

 

[FrankRep]

Well, just because he wants to leave it to the states doesn't mean he's against it.

Ron Paul is personally against gay marriage.


Ron Paul: Personally opposed to same-sex ‘marriage,’ but…

Nov 29, 2011

Paul is a lifelong Christian who says he personally believes in traditional marriage. In 2004, Paul said on the House floor, “I oppose federal efforts to redefine marriage as something other than a union between one man and one woman.” In August, Paul repeated, “I think that marriages should be between a single man and a single woman.”​

 

[Falcon63]

Ron Paul is personally against gay marriage.


Ron Paul: Personally opposed to same-sex ‘marriage,’ but…

Nov 29, 2011

Paul is a lifelong Christian who says he personally believes in traditional marriage. In 2004, Paul said on the House floor, “I oppose federal efforts to redefine marriage as something other than a union between one man and one woman.” In August, Paul repeated, “I think that marriages should be between a single man and a single woman.”​

I meant to put "NOT against it", it was a typo.

I know Paul's stance of gay marriage. He believes it's wrong, but thinks it's a state issue.

I think it's not a government issue t all.

 

[WhistlinDave]

Ron Paul is personally against gay marriage.


Ron Paul: Personally opposed to same-sex ‘marriage,’ but…

Nov 29, 2011

Paul is a lifelong Christian who says he personally believes in traditional marriage. In 2004, Paul said on the House floor, “I oppose federal efforts to redefine marriage as something other than a union between one man and one woman.” In August, Paul repeated, “I think that marriages should be between a single man and a single woman.”​

And from the same article, a little further down the page:

“I think the government should just be out of it. I think it should be done by the church or private contract, and we shouldn’t have this argument,” he said recently. “Who’s married and who isn’t married. I have my standards but I shouldn’t have to impose my standards on others. Other people have their standards and they have no right to impose their marriage standards on me.”

“But,” he continued, “if we want to have something to say about marriage it should be at the state level, and not at the federal government.”

In his newest book, Liberty Defined, Paul’s chapter on “Marriage” states, “In a free society…all voluntary and consensual agreements would be recognized.” He adds, “There should essentially be no limits to the voluntary definition of marriage.”

If he's against gay marriage, then he isn't doing a very good job of it. Sounds to me like he believes people should be able to do whatever pleases them.

I just knew this was going to de-rail the thread topic. Sorry about that, guys.

 

[FrankRep]

If he's against gay marriage, then he isn't doing a very good job of it.

You missed this part:

Ron Paul is personally against gay marriage.

 

[jmdrake]

Good grief! Does every thread have to turn into an argument about abortion or gay marriage or creation/evolution?

Back to the OP. Sure the Russians fund Islamic terrorism. And so do the Americans. It's in the MSM that we just sent millions to Al Qaeda linked rebels in Syria.

 

[pcosmar]

Good grief! Does every thread have to turn into an argument about abortion or gay marriage or creation/evolution?

Back to the OP. Sure the Russians fund Islamic terrorism. And so do the Americans. It's in the MSM that we just sent millions to Al Qaeda linked rebels in Syria.

Yup.
"Behind Islamic Terrorism" are the world powers that want a conflict in the ME.

For all the talk and hype about "peace in the Middle East" there is an ongoing effort to ignite the whole region in cataclysmic war.