Beck ratings have dived 17%

[acptulsa]

He's still doing better than bsnbc--sorry, I meant msnbc.

 

[reduen]

Who is Beck?

 

[__27__]

Who is Beck?

The original ghetto blaster!!

 

[jmdrake]

I see you responded before I edited my post to correct my mistaken assumption that the original link came from the JBS website.

That said I simply disagree with the contention that insinuating that the government is trying to condition the American public to accept birth control in the water is somehow water is somehow worse than insinuating that the government would kill it's own people. Forced sterilization is murder of the next generation. No difference. And it really doesn't matter if it's a "communist plot" or a "eugenicist plot". The idea that the government for whatever reason wants to condition people to accept birth control in the water or "lithium" in the water for "mind control" (like they do in Japan according to your link) or anything else on the surface sounds nuts. Now please note. I'm not saying that JBS is wrong on this. I'm talking about how it sounds. McManus could have also brought up Operation Northwoods where someone within the government (the pro fluoride professor he referenced was not in the government, or if he was McManus didn't make the connection) and talked about how high ranking officials in the government have in the past conspired to do something similar to 9/11. I mean if you're going to talk about conspiracy theories, then go ahead and talk about conspiracy theories. Don't pick and choose which ones are ok and which ones are not. If Medina should have expected Beck to react the way he did when she didn't give the "right" answer to his question, McManus should have expected Maddow to react the way she did when he brought up fluoride out of the blue.

Jasper wants to make a "natural rights argument? That's nice. But that's not nearly as strong as pointing out the fact that fluoride is an actual health hazard. I've shown the clip I posted in other threads to health professionals to warn them about the dangers of fluoride. It works a lot better than talking about conspiracy theories to condition Americans to accept some eugenicist plot. Again that may be true. But it's not going to be nearly as persuasive to someone who isn't already a Bircher.

Sure, on the surface, no one wants to think the government wants to condition people to think or act a certain way. McManus brought up a fact few people are aware of and I find it quite interesting myself. Condition people to accept chemicals in the water and eventually you can put whatever you want like Japan wants to do with putting Lithium in the water to reduce suicide. Quoting a professor isn't being a Conspiracy theorist, only just shows what type of doors can be opened by conditioning people.

I like Jasper's reply that by automatically putting fluoride in the water takes away the person's right to choose what to put in their body.

http://www.libertynewsnetwork.tv/?p=101


I really don't see a problem with the way the McManus and Jasper handled the question on fluoridation. They didn't call it a "Communist plot" and all that media smear garbage.





You misquoted.

On day one of the CPAC conference for 2010, MSNBC host Rachel Maddow dropped by the JBS booth for a visit with William F. Jasper, senior editor for The New American magazine and John F. McManus, president of The John Birch Society.

In December, Maddow dedicated significant air time during two broadcasts of her MSNBC show to attacking The John Birch Society. This time, however, her visit to the JBS booth was cordial and friendly. In a six minute informal discussion, she talked with McManus and Jasper about differences of opinion amongst conservatives and about the JBS perspective on mass medication of the water supply, i.e., fluoridation.​

The John Birch Society's Jewish National Councilman would be offended by you calling the JBS "antisemitic."

David Eisenberg

No, saying the U.S. Government attacked and killed thousands of it's own people on 9/11 may be slightly worse than talking about fluoridation of the water.




Books could be written on the subject of fluoridation and the JBS only talked to Rachel a few moments. The John Birch Society has bigger things to talk about than fluoridation like exposing the Federal Reserve and exposing the erosion of U.S. Sovereignty. Everyone has the ability to buy a water filter and buy bottled water.

 

[pacelli]

Could the OP please change the title of the thread to the subject matter actually being discussed?

 

[Minuteman2008]

Medina didn't make a mistake. She didn't dance around a question. She doesn't know all the information regarding 9/11. She told him as much.

Glenn Beck used Medina's honesty against her. She told him what she thought. She told him the truth. This is what Ron Paul would have done. Do we expect those we support to behave like those we are attempting to replace? Can electing a politician on a lie benefit an ideology whose intent is to create a genuine environment of liberty through the dissemination of that ideology? Do we trick people into thinking like us? Should candidates lie about their beliefs, and once in office just say "gotcha!"

Beck is a dishonest tool. Nobody should apologize for him. Nobody should fault Medina for the sake of Beck. Imagine a congress full of Medinas. Imagine a congress full of Becks. The dichotomy is analogous to fascism vs freedom. Power corrupts. How would you guess power affects Beck? He is playing a game. He is a Machiavellian. I don't understand how any intelligent honest person could defend him day after day. I guess he is not the only Machiavellian around.

Why so many attempts to point out what was, at worse, an honest mistake by an honest person? Could anybody who thinks like us have accomplished more in Texas? I don't think so. The motives of those who constantly parrot the same worn out arguments are naive at best, and dangerous at worse. If you don't like Medina's honesty, quit flaming her and go start your own campaign. I am sure it not difficult to do.

You've summed it up perfectly. Beck's point and sputter response to Medina's honest answer was straight out of the liberal playbook. It was sickening. She gave a real, honest answer and he was there to pounce. It was sort of the same sickening scenario as beltway Republicans calling Harry Reid racist recently. There is nothing worse than seeing these hypocrites at work, trying to outliberal the liberals or outneocon the neocons.

I hate to admit it but I have a Glen Beck insider subscription so I can get the show on iTunes and listen to it on my phone. But I've decided to cancel it after what he pulled. While he says some good things, I've had a hard time stomaching his hypocrisy when it comes to dealing with neocons. The man is there for a paycheck, pure and simple. The ADL called him the most dangerous man in America, but he won't ever talk about how unconstitutional the ADL-sponsored hate crimes bill is, all the while still for the most part supporting the status quo in Iraq and Afghanistan. Beck isn't courageous and doesn't speak for the conservative movement. He's an opportunist and no more honest than your average point-and-sputter liberal from the WaPo or NYT when it comes right down to it.

 

[jmdrake]

He's still doing better than bsnbc--sorry, I meant msnbc.

That's only because the democrats are in power. Once the GOP has control again MSNBC will have something useful to say again and Fox will be the ones shilling for the administration.

 

[acptulsa]

Who is Beck?

The guy who made Robert Plant sound good, even though he sings like a girl. You can go back to sleep now.

 

[jmdrake]

YouTube - Ron Paul on 9/11 Truthers

That's been covered here too many times to count. This was Ron Paul's 4th or 5th time being asked a "9/11 truth" question. He knew it was coming. Some of his earlier comments were not as forthright of a denial as this one was. In fact one of his earlier comments contradicts this one. He clearly said before the investigation was a "cover up" and yet he answered affirmatively to someone who asked him to distance himself from people who thought the government let 9/11 happen or "covered it up". And yes I know Paul was talking about the "cover up of incompetence", but the way the question was worded that type of "cover up" was covered. About the 3rd or 4th time Medina was asked about 9/11 she gave as categorical a denial as Paul did.

 

[Ninja Homer]

So the gist of the story is that Beck's ratings have gone down 17% since the Medina thing on Feb 11th.

The ratings drop means absolutely nothing at this point, because the Olympics started on Feb 12th. You can't make a proper analysis of anything when a rare popular event is competing for air time.

 

[FrankRep]

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[purplechoe]

Glenn Beck and Ron Paul disagree on Foreign Policy, but Glenn Beck does give Ron Paul lots on air time. I can appreciate that about Glenn Beck.

"I don't agree with Ron on a lot of things, not by a long shot."

Hey Frank, whenever you're ready to join us in the real world, we will welcome you with open arms... because you're living in a fantasy land...

 

[Depressed Liberator]

Fuck Glenn Beck.

 

[awake]

Consumer sovereignty.

 

[FrankRep]

"I don't agree with Ron on a lot of things, not by a long shot."

Hey Frank, whenever you're ready to join us in the real world, we will welcome you with open arms... because you're living in a fantasy land...

I guess I keep grabbing for that worm. Ron Paul calls Glenn Beck a "demagogue." Glenn Beck seems to jump on whatever is popular then drops it like a hot potato and slams you for still holding it.

Maybe Glenn Beck does suffer from a multiple personality disorder. He's unpredictable and reckless.

 

[Vessol]

Maybe Glenn Beck does suffer from a multiple personality disorder. He's unpredictable and reckless.

I first watched Beck in 06 when he got his new show. He's been like this since then.