Beck ratings have dived 17%
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Of course you know some 9/11 conspiracy theorists. McManus is one himself right? The whole "Moscow did it" conspiracy theory? I don't know if that's directly from McManus, but I'm pretty sure it originated from the JBS. But that's beside the point. Sofia pointed out some good news that Beck has taken a hit for his hack job on Medina. I think that's great! And if Rachel Maddow were to take a hit for her hack job on John McManus I'd cheer that on too, despite the fact that she's been very good to both Pauls. And quit trying to derail the thread! It's not about whether or not being a truther is political sucicide (although the polls showed that Jesse Ventura could have WON the Minnesota senate race after coming out as a 9/11 truther!) The thread is about Beck taking a nose dive in the polls for attacking our candidate! But hey, ignore the facts. Go run a political campaign on communist conspiracy theories to put birth control in the water. Some conspiracy theories are more equal than others.
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Cause every so often Beck says something useful like he did at CPAC and some folks are so happy that part of our message gets out that they are willing to overlook the attacks. It's one of those "glass half full, glass half empty" things.
I have no problem with Alex Jones, but he can be a jerk some times.
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We can read it or watch the youtube here on one of those rare occasions when he says something useful.
I haven't even listened to his CPAC speech but it sounded biased from what I read.
When he said "sometimes the bad guys win" I had the distinct feeling he was talking about us rather than Obama.
No, it is not political suicide. I'm a 9/11 Truther, and I'm going to be the President of the United States.
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My hatefest towards Glenn Beck? How about your hatefest towards Alex Jones? I agree with those who are baffled at why you even went there. I could see if this was Alex Jones making a rant about Glenn Beck. But this is an article written by someone else that's up on AJ's website. It would be if someone linked something from Drudge that someone else wrote and posted a youtube about why people should not like Drudge. Beck was wrong for attacking and continuing to attack Medina. If he feels the heat for this to the point that he thinks twice before pulling a stunt like this against great!
You keep saying you "have no problem with Alex Jones". That's clearly not true. And to be honest, at this point I have a problem with him too. (Although I saw you going after him before the 2nd amendment rally fiasco). But if I were to judge two talk show hosts based on who has consistently been helpful versus attacking liberty candidates, Alex Jones would win over Glenn Beck hands down.
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You can't put all the blame on Glenn Beck. Debra Medina was asked a direct question and she danced around it. I swear I support Debra Medina, but she did make a mistake.
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I don't have a problem with Alex Jones. It surprised me to see what Alex Jones did, but I kinda view it as an ego thing. Alex is the big name and he thinks he's the movement. He certainly knows how to fire up people, which will give you the spotlight. His "hijacking" seems out of character for him and hopefully he'll be more respectful in the future.
I prefer Ron Paul's approach to Glenn Beck.
YouTube - Glenn Beck Radio: Ron Paul explains what he meant by CIA Coup
YouTube - Glenn Beck Radio: Ron Paul explains what he meant by CIA Coup
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And did John McManus make a mistake to talk about a birth control conspiracy theory in response to Rachel Maddow's question about fluoride? You linked to a lot of great information about fluoride. I linked to a YouTube that mentioned information about the ADA advising against using fluoridated water. But saying that fluoride in the water is bad because some doctor from some university I never heard of says put birth control in the water sounds as crazy as saying the government was in on the 9/11 attacks. There's some "government conspiracy" to sterilize everybody, so they have to get people used to it by putting fluoride in first. Now maybe that's true. I haven't read the quote itself. But there are a lot better ways to attack fluoride in the water now. Besides, I went back and watched the whole clip. McManus brought the issue up.
At first I thought this was a screw up as bad as Medina's. Now I'm convinced that it's worse. This would be like Medina having a conversation with Beck at an event, bringing up 9/11 herself. Ok, John McManus isn't running for anything. But Ron Paul might run for president in 2012. The JBS has recently been touting Ron Paul's endorsement of their organization. If they're going to keep bringing up fluoridation as an issue they've got to do a better job of it.
Edit: Because I mistakenly thought the original fluoridation video was on the JBS website, but that doesn't appear to be the case.
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check to see if oreilly has a decline this time of year and compare data. Oreilly and beck share many viewers.
Sure, on the surface, no one wants to think the government wants to condition people to think or act a certain way. McManus brought up a fact few people are aware of and I find it quite interesting myself. Condition people to accept chemicals in the water and eventually you can put whatever you want like Japan wants to do with putting Lithium in the water to reduce suicide. Quoting a professor isn't being a Conspiracy theorist, only just shows what type of doors can be opened by conditioning people.
I like Jasper's reply that by automatically putting fluoride in the water takes away the person's right to choose what to put in their body.
http://www.libertynewsnetwork.tv/?p=101
I really don't see a problem with the way the McManus and Jasper handled the question on fluoridation. They didn't call it a "Communist plot" and all that media smear garbage.
You misquoted.
On day one of the CPAC conference for 2010, MSNBC host Rachel Maddow dropped by the JBS booth for a visit with William F. Jasper, senior editor for The New American magazine and John F. McManus, president of The John Birch Society.
In December, Maddow dedicated significant air time during two broadcasts of her MSNBC show to attacking The John Birch Society. This time, however, her visit to the JBS booth was cordial and friendly. In a six minute informal discussion, she talked with McManus and Jasper about differences of opinion amongst conservatives and about the JBS perspective on mass medication of the water supply, i.e., fluoridation.
In December, Maddow dedicated significant air time during two broadcasts of her MSNBC show to attacking The John Birch Society. This time, however, her visit to the JBS booth was cordial and friendly. In a six minute informal discussion, she talked with McManus and Jasper about differences of opinion amongst conservatives and about the JBS perspective on mass medication of the water supply, i.e., fluoridation.
The John Birch Society's Jewish National Councilman would be offended by you calling the JBS "antisemitic."
David Eisenberg
No, saying the U.S. Government attacked and killed thousands of it's own people on 9/11 may be slightly worse than talking about fluoridation of the water.
Books could be written on the subject of fluoridation and the JBS only talked to Rachel a few moments. The John Birch Society has bigger things to talk about than fluoridation like exposing the Federal Reserve and exposing the erosion of U.S. Sovereignty. Everyone has the ability to buy a water filter and buy bottled water.
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Does anyone think that the Olympics could have anything to do with these ratings?
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Medina didn't make a mistake. She didn't dance around a question. She doesn't know all the information regarding 9/11. She told him as much.
Glenn Beck used Medina's honesty against her. She told him what she thought. She told him the truth. This is what Ron Paul would have done. Do we expect those we support to behave like those we are attempting to replace? Can electing a politician on a lie benefit an ideology whose intent is to create a genuine environment of liberty through the dissemination of that ideology? Do we trick people into thinking like us? Should candidates lie about their beliefs, and once in office just say "gotcha!"
Beck is a dishonest tool. Nobody should apologize for him. Nobody should fault Medina for the sake of Beck. Imagine a congress full of Medinas. Imagine a congress full of Becks. The dichotomy is analogous to fascism vs freedom. Power corrupts. How would you guess power affects Beck? He is playing a game. He is a Machiavellian. I don't understand how any intelligent honest person could defend him day after day. I guess he is not the only Machiavellian around.
Why so many attempts to point out what was, at worse, an honest mistake by an honest person? Could anybody who thinks like us have accomplished more in Texas? I don't think so. The motives of those who constantly parrot the same worn out arguments are naive at best, and dangerous at worse. If you don't like Medina's honesty, quit flaming her and go start your own campaign. I am sure it not difficult to do.
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