Be the 5 Percent.

[jmdrake]

Didn't you already say that in the thread you started today on this same subject? I'm going to have to start moving these to opposing candidates again, in lack of anywhere else to put them, if they keep being this frequent in Ron's forum. Raising a topic is one thing, spamming people not here for that is something else.

Why is Gary Johnson still even in Opposing Candidates? Really this is getting downright silly. Before there was the "Ron is still collecting delegates" excuse. Well that process is to completely and totally over. Mitt Romney is the nominee and Ron Paul was screwed out of his prime time speaking spot. And you're mad at Gary Johnson because some of his supporters hinted that Ron was racist? Well in 2007/2008 some Ron Paul supporters who were racist hinted that Ron was racist. (Wishful thinking on their part.) Really, there are reasons to dislike Gary Johnson, but if we're going to play the "some of his supporters are douche bags" game then we are throwing rocks in a glass house.

 

[WesSeid]

Why is Gary Johnson still even in Opposing Candidates?

Because Gary Johnson is an opposing candidate. ...to Romney.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Historically, it only takes 2% to cause change.

Just one of those fun facts...

 

[CPUd]

Perhaps it would be a better idea to focus on 1 or 3 states for GJ. You guys campaigning nationwide might get 5%, but if you started working the phones in NM for the next few months, he could do as much as 15% there. If you all went out there and went door to door, you could make NM a GOLD state in November.

Plus, it would fit in with a greater strategy, where different things are done in different states, depending on what the most effective thing to do is to achieve our goal (ATM, not yet stated) for Operation Blowback.

 

[FindLiberty]

I'm pissed off about the way RP has been treated by the old guard GOP and MSM. Amerika has missed its chance, maybe its last chance to restore freedom and head off the hard times ahead! I'll vote for the LP POTUS candidate (GJ) with pleasure, realizing it will indeed help Obama get re-elected. It would be nice if the LP can reach the magic 5% number to ease future ballot access (with a better "Browne-er" candidate next time). I wish the RP inspired GOP new-blood the very best, but I hope the old guard GOP gets trounced in November and is unable to wash off their stink, ever.

 

[truthspeaker]

It's and important first step to going mainstream.

http://www.sparknotes.com/us-govern...n-government/political-parties/section3.rhtml

Okay, I thought it was the 5% for Federal funds thing. The irony is that the Libertarian party, on principle, would never accept federal funds. If they did, I'd be surprised.

 

[JamesButabi]

I'm voting for Gary. I wrote in RP in 2008 and it never counted. I love RP, but I want Gary on the debate stage. There are multitudes more people who watch debates for president rather than primaries. We need a voice of discontent up there.

 

[FindLiberty]

Gathering all the signatures (plus overkill to withstand challenges) for LP ballot access is very expensive and exhausting unless that 5% "most recent past general election" threshold is reached. Then those sig requirements are easy to gather, the exact same number the Demolicans and Republicrats have to deal with if the rules even apply to them (and they often don't). Yea, the LP should always say, "screw the matching funds" or if they "have to accept the bag of silver coins to make it to the debates", take 'em then dump 'em right back into the general "fund" to "pay down the (farce) US national debt".

 

[Vanilluxe]

I used to think that working within the Republican Party is the future, however, I have been thinking lately that there will always be opposition within the Republican Party and that we could never really take over the whole party (maybe for one election season) but just like Barry Goldwater there is the curse that ideas come and go and people tend to change their minds a lot. The future of the GOP I see is a large civil war stalemate between us and the other factors and its hard to go anywhere with it. Expanding a third party and having easier access to money and ballot might someday come in handy. I read there were a string of polls once that showed Ross Perot winning the election, but what brought him down was his suspension of the campaign over the summer and being indecisive to whether he really wants to run or not.

 

[TrishW]

OK, So I decided to see if Gary would work for me. We were doing fairly good until I hit this road block...

It should be easier for a potential immigrant to get a work visa. Potential immigrants should pass a background check, and then be issued a Social Security card, which would allow them to pay income, payroll, and all other taxes workers pay.


Sorry, but no. Let them stay home. They take jobs away from Americans. Why should we throw open the borders? I like Ron's idea better... bring the troops home to protect our borders. The last thing we need to be doing is handing out more SS cards. That's just too crazy!

 

[Akus]

We are more than 5%, and I for one am not drawn to Johnson in the slightest. And I still resent his supporters hinting Ron was racist to get people over to Johnson when they knew better.

People who like him will vote for him, but it will also be counted to show up and vote, but not vote for President at all, or write Ron in. They track who votes, and they track how many vote for President. The difference in those numbers is a no confidence vote. That expresses me better than voting for a candidate I don't want.

My 2 cents.

Dude, you're following the same crazy logic anti-Paulers do. Ron Paul's foreign wars policy is great, but I'm voting for Obama, because Ron Paul is against abortion.
I am voting Libertarian.
Our enemy is not a third party guy. Our enemies are Obama who promised, fooled, and delivered nothing. Romney, who is an Obama with an R. Guliani, who insulted the most transparent and pure hearted man in Congress. These are our enemies.
If you write in Ron Paul, and I vote Johnson, and someone else votes Romney just to stay on good terms with GOP, neither of us will achieve anything.
I thought liberty was about uniting people, not finding a candidate that is a carbon copy of oneself.

 

[lakefx]

OK, So I decided to see if Gary would work for me. We were doing fairly good until I hit this road block...

It should be easier for a potential immigrant to get a work visa. Potential immigrants should pass a background check, and then be issued a Social Security card, which would allow them to pay income, payroll, and all other taxes workers pay.


Sorry, but no. Let them stay home. They take jobs away from Americans. Why should we throw open the borders? I like Ron's idea better... bring the troops home to protect our borders. The last thing we need to be doing is handing out more SS cards. That's just too crazy!

Your version of Ron's plan is oversimplified. Yes we should protect our borders. Yes we should give them work visas if they want to work here. Yes they can immigrate here, legally. Closing the border down and declaring the U.S. closed to immigration is not Ron's idea, nor the LP, nor Gary Johnson. You *sound* as though you are more nationalist than anything else here. Only protecting our borders and having 0 mobility....That IS isolationism. We are not isolationists. Nor is Ron.

If you write in Ron Paul, and I vote Johnson, and someone else votes Romney just to stay on good terms with GOP, neither of us will achieve anything. I thought liberty was about uniting people, not finding a candidate that is a carbon copy of oneself.

Uniting in Liberty for the sake of Liberty is good. Uniting isn't by itself moral, nor is it always good. Uniting to bully, to commit violence, or to trample the liberties of another...these are never good things. Uniting alone is dangerous and should always be suspect. Uniting for Liberty, for our own, and for all others, is a good thing...And to me, Uniting behind Gary Johnson is the best thing we can do in November. Beyond that, we'll work on something else.


I do not see how, Voting for Gary Johnson, who IS running for president, who will NOT advocate the same crap Obama and Romney and their party leaderships are feeding America, is a bad thing.

FACTS:

Ron is not running.
Gary Johnson is.
Gary wants Freedom
We want Freedom
America needs more than 2 parties for Liberty continue to survive, Whether we infiltrate the GOP or not.
A divided GOP is not, nor will it ever be enough to support Liberty.
5% means many good things for a 3rd party.
Voting for Gary Johnson does not exclude you from being in the GOP
Voting for Gary Johnson does not exclude you from working within the GOP
Voting for Gary Johnson does not mean you don't prefer Ron Paul.
Voting for Gary Johnson does not mean you can't vote for a local, state or U.S. position outside of the LP.

 

[lakefx]

Just saw this on Twitter.