Batman Propaganda?

Conza88 said:
Just saw it...

TW & Sideburns... want me to make an analogy? ;)

:D
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Whatever floats your boat.

From past experiences, you're NOT one of my favorite, most reliable nor preferred reviewers of stuff.

Sure, go ahead, it'll be good for a laugh after I've seen the movie.
 
Truth Warrior said:
Whatever floats your boat.

From past experiences, you're NOT one of my favorite, most reliable nor preferred reviewers of stuff.

Sure, go ahead, it'll be good for a laugh after I've seen the movie.
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ROFL... don't think I've ever reviewed anything before ;)

I'll wait to you've seen it? :D ... cus nothin' has come to mind yet :cool:
 
Conza88 said:
ROFL... don't think I've ever reviewed anything before ;)

I'll wait to you've seen it? :D ... cus nothin' has come to mind yet :cool:
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Uh ... Charley Reese LRC article, anti-voting post, ring any bells for you at all? Seems like there was another one too. :rolleyes:
 
Truth Warrior said:
Uh ... Charley Reese LRC article, anti-voting post, ring any bells for you at all? Seems like there was another one too. :rolleyes:
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Hahah, I forgot about the Charlie Reece one... LOL :) anti-voting one I dunno? Only remembered the other one... with the analogy, for whatever it was... lmao :D

:cool:
 
Alex Libman said:
Yeah, that movie is 100% propaganda - from legitimizing torture to encouraging trusting your life to "democracy" to financial regulation to rushed criminal trials to spying, etc, etc, etc.
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Let me ask you something. Did you happen to notice how they made it painfully obvious that democracy made the wrong choice? I did. That told me that perhaps the writers did, in fact, know something about the pitfalls of democracy and mob rule.
 
Maverick said:
Let me ask you something. Did you happen to notice how they made it painfully obvious that democracy made the wrong choice? I did. That told me that perhaps the writers did, in fact, know something about the pitfalls of democracy and mob rule.
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Yes indeed, and the it's "immoral" "unethical" from morgan freeman's charachter - about spying on the entire city...

Did you happened to notice, they propped up those arguments against it and TORE THEM DOWN...

The whole premise of the film lies in the fact that.... BY SPYING ON THE ENTIRE CITY, JUST THIS ONCE, BATMAN (Good) was able to capture UNSTOPPABLE EVIL (Bad)..... helllloooo war on terrorism!!! :eek:

The whole press conference is a suck my cock for the status quo and the war on terror speech.

This is the feeling I subtly felt after seeing it the first time.... The lew rockwell reviews on it are delusional - they are seeing what they want too see, cus it is pretty kickass... they omit everything negative though.

I just got back from seeing it again with other friends.... my neo con/libertarian mate, who is relatively switched on agreeed with it right there... We came out.. and he goes, that pretty much said it's ok to spy etc etc... to fight evil.

People are sooo deluded with the word democracy... the prisoners dilema is not going to sway them.. if they even put it together... it's just a small bit in the film too...

I think is... an EXCELLENT prop. peice.. simply amazing.. Gobells would be awe struck. It even has some of us, not concluding the same thing... How the f---k do you think America is doing with it????!!

Bush is the Dark Knight... :rolleyes:

Orwell rolls in his grave.
 
It's unfortunate, because I read the Lew Rockwell review before I saw the movie. When I was in the theater I did kind of feel that Lew had been...grasping at straws, I guess you could say. The distinction to make is that Batman is a private citizen, and even though the gov't (Harvey Dent) is looked to as the protector of the city, the film shows that it can never hope to right all the wrongs, and we need private citizens--"Batmans"--to stay vigilant. Maybe. The huge problem is that most people probably won't see that distinction between the gov't and the private citizen. I don't think I would have seen it if I hadn't read Lew's article beforehand.

Though I did really like the two boats thing. :cool:
 
I think the situation in the movie was supposed to be linked to our current situation. I think it's total bullshit to assume that they wanted us to think that Bush is like Batman, that is that he is misunderstood even though he's just trying to help us.

I think the purpose was to show us the moral dilemma represented played out by comic book characters, and get us to think about how we feel about it. I think the objection by Lucius Fox helps it sink in for the audience why covert domestic spying is bad, even though Batman goes through with it. Most people, after seeing this movie, would probably be more likely to draw the distinction between the fantasy world of Gotham and the real world. If they were trying to get the audience to support police state tactics in the US, they wouldn't have had Fox (one of the most morally upright characters in the movie) objecting to it.
 
I don't think the movie is per se spreading the "ends justify the means" propaganda in regards to spying or certain counter-terrorism techniques. Indeed, I think it is showing the irony of the situation (which of course mirrors our current situation in government and society). The same irony/illusion that the Joker is trying to unmask and discredit.
 
AmericaFyeah92 said:
Here's a question though: couldn't it be considered irresponsible by Batman not to kill the joker (which he doesen't) since he knows he will probably escape again and murder more innocents? The joker said something like: "we're destined to do this forever...."
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I think that's more of a philosphical/allegorical notion and not a statement to be taken literally. In other words, it shouldn't be construed as a current statement like the "war on terror is going to have to be never-ending." The Joker and Batman represent two fundamentally opposing forces/ideas, both which exist in conflict in human nature and in every individual. That's my take on it anyway.
 
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Mr. Coolidge said:
It's unfortunate, because I read the Lew Rockwell review before I saw the movie. When I was in the theater I did kind of feel that Lew had been...grasping at straws, I guess you could say. The distinction to make is that Batman is a private citizen, and even though the gov't (Harvey Dent) is looked to as the protector of the city, the film shows that it can never hope to right all the wrongs, and we need private citizens--"Batmans"--to stay vigilant. Maybe. The huge problem is that most people probably won't see that distinction between the gov't and the private citizen. I don't think I would have seen it if I hadn't read Lew's article beforehand.

Though I did really like the two boats thing. :cool:
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This is a great response right here. This is something else that's very important to note - that Batman is a private citizen, and not the gov't - that more of you should be paying attention to.

Also, this movie is based on broad allegories. It's based on themes that have been explored for centuries, and not just ideas and situations that have been around for the last 8 years in our narrow little time-frame.

And Conza, seriously dude, you need to slow down when you type or something. I can't process a post with that many smilies and ellipses and allcaps and all that nonsense right now.
 
Maverick said:
And Conza, seriously dude, you need to slow down when you type or something. I can't process a post with that many smilies and ellipses and allcaps and all that nonsense right now.
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No post I have ever made, has contained only all caps. :)

The smiley's / emoticons are used to connotate more easily, what words cannot convey over a non-personal medium such as the internet where you cannot see the other persons body language, tone of voice etc.

As for all the non-sense :confused: I can dumb it down if you want. :p
 
Conza88 said:
No post I have ever made, has contained only all caps. :)

The smiley's / emoticons are used to connotate more easily, what words cannot convey over a non-personal medium such as the internet where you cannot see the other persons body language, tone of voice etc.

As for all the non-sense :confused: I can dumb it down if you want. :p
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I'm into like a 1/2 a bottle of rum right now so yeah....I'll get back to you later.
 
I think the main elements in the movie completely overshadowed any political messages, at least for me. I know that can be dangerous to say, but the movie was just so entertaining.
 
I liked TDK as a movie. I didn't consider it great. I'll watch it again on HBO, but it's not a DVD ownership candidate for me.
 
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