Barr's official stated reason for missing the conference

You know what, I think Ron Paul was wrong today. By not endorsing the LP candidate and just saying vote for whomever you want, or don't vote, he assured that one of the two parties will get elected. By guiding people to a single candidate, this would have increased the spotlight on that candidate, getting more votes. Ron Paul has just effectively watered down the votes for all the candidates. I came to this conclusion before seeing the fracas about Barr. I'm rather saddened by the lack of leadership in this regard, and wonder why I thought there would actually be real change, as apposed to faux change.


No! He is trying to break the 2 party stranglehold on the political process. If you think that a 3rd party candidate is going to win in '08 then you are an idiot. This was about reaching out to the other marginalized groups in American politics and trying to build a coalition that can inject truth into the debates. Besides as a sitting REPUBLICAN congressman he can not officially endorse a candidate from another party because he would then lose position and status within the Republican block in the congress and lose his seats on important commitees that he needs to be on in order to push the freedom agenda from his position as an "inside man" for this movement.
This is abut the BIG picture of taking liberty back in this country over the next decade not the small picture of getting Barr and the "Libertarian" Party a few more votes in '08. As a true libertarian Dr Paul wants to see everyone participate and have an equal opportunity not just Bob Barr. If you think that we are just going to all unite behind a former neo-con just because he fools the "Libertarian" Party into nominating him then you are a fool.
 
I don't care what his official stated reason is. The fact remains, by failing to show up he showed a lack of character. He had commited himself to it and he backed out because he felt slighted. It was childish petulant behavior on his part. It may sound insignificant to some people, but I was iffy on his voting record already. Personally, I'm happy he pulled this little stunt today, so I know what he is about. I even sent a message via his campaign website to thank them for it.
 
I know BobBarr's pissed most of you off for good at this point, but I have to grudgingly agree with his refusal to participate in a Ron Paul "any of the above" quasi-endorsement of theocrat Baldwin, socialist Nader, and even mega-Marxist Cynthia McKinney for f***'s sake.

If Ron Paul REALLY wanted to shake up the system and fight the good fight against the status quo NOW (not 10-20 years later), he could have accepted the LP nomination that was offered to him on a silver platter. No, he wouldn't win but he could have achieved 49-50 state ballot access and spread the liberty message far more effectively than anyone else this election cycle (especially with a credible VP pick such as Gary Johnson, Ventura, or... perhaps even Bob Barr.) No doubt it would have been the best 3rd party vote total since Ross Perot and established a solid foundation for a political force to be reckoned with in the years ahead.

Instead, it appears he prefers to "play nice enough" with the GOP to preserve his Congressional standing while continuing to take pot-shots from the sidelines and encourage folks to "explore all 3rd party alternatives".

All due respect for the man, but that's not active leadership -- it's passive "spokesmanship."

So Barr's "if you won't run on the Libertarian ticket you aren't good enough for me to support... that is utter and complete BS!!! He's acting like a little kid...

Ron Paul has expressedly stated that he WILL NOT jeapordize his seat in congress as a Republican. I personally applaud him... what would running as Barr's VP really do for him besides get him demoted in Congress??? NOTHING.....

He has too much to lose and the likelihood of Barr winning is very slim at best.... so again... what would be the point?

Barr is being totally childish
 
You know what, I think Ron Paul was wrong today. By not endorsing the LP candidate and just saying vote for whomever you want, or don't vote, he assured that one of the two parties will get elected. By guiding people to a single candidate, this would have increased the spotlight on that candidate, getting more votes. Ron Paul has just effectively watered down the votes for all the candidates. I came to this conclusion before seeing the fracas about Barr. I'm rather saddened by the lack of leadership in this regard, and wonder why I thought there would actually be real change, as apposed to faux change.

He assured nothing of the kind--it was already assured one of the two parties will get elected. Have you been paying attention? Ron Paul doesn't have a magic wand to wave in the direction of one candidate and have them win. He can at best point those of his supporters that are looking for orders instead of independent thought in one direction, and he's wise enough to know that's not enough to change anything from previous cycles.

So instead he did what he often does and found a course that's both full of integrity and practicality and asked both his supporters and other disaffected voters to at least unite behind a set of principles and make those the issue. All of the not-those-two-parties voters will not get behind one candidate, but if they'll agree to do *something* it's possible for it to mean something. It may at least produce numbers that shake the foundation of the duopoly for the future.

Barr is a dunce. He's on one of the largest other party stages out there and the one that at least still looks the most like what Ron Paul ran on, and showing up at this would have gotten him what basically amounts to an endorsement since he's the option most of Paul's supporters would have gone for.
 
wow, it looks more and more like Barr is a plant.
I suspected that the Libertarian party was infiltrated months ago, because of the sheer number of votes for Gravel and Barr.

However since Baldwin wasn't going to be on the ballot in my state, I was going to vote for Barr. Well now, I am not!

This is another tactic to destroy this movement. And the CIA is doing a damn good job of it.

your full of shit of course

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1546106&postcount=41
 
Bob Barr should have just gone to conference and none of this would have happened, but no he had to be a little baby.
 
I don't know how many times I've read on this site that Ron Paul supporters are looking for "some direction", "some endorsement", someone who will LEAD.

So here Bob Barr says (IMO) 'I'm not going to share the stage with the others and say vote for any one of us and you're cool - I want my own stage and say Vote for Me'' He wasn't snubbing anyone, he signed the agreement, he was just being a leader.
Ron Paul supporters keep looking for a messiah or someone to train them because they are still new to all of this, riding the emotional highs and lows, not really understanding what Dr. Paul has been trying to tell everyone for months now.

Do not vote McCain. Do not capitulate to the GOP if you are going to try and take it back. Do not give in to evil. Voting for the lesser of evils (even Barr) is still voting for evil.

Barr had a chance to stand up to the FED today, and he ran away. He is, in all honesty, a bitch. The LP campaign wants to play electoral games, Ron Paul is waging a personal philosophical battle with all of his sacred honor to restore liberty and freedom.

You know what, I think Ron Paul was wrong today. By not endorsing the LP candidate and just saying vote for whomever you want, or don't vote, he assured that one of the two parties will get elected. By guiding people to a single candidate, this would have increased the spotlight on that candidate, getting more votes. Ron Paul has just effectively watered down the votes for all the candidates. I came to this conclusion before seeing the fracas about Barr. I'm rather saddened by the lack of leadership in this regard, and wonder why I thought there would actually be real change, as apposed to faux change.
You're out to lunch. No 3rd party candidate was going to get elected. The idea is to advance that agenda. By Barr not showing solidarity, and now trying to divide up the Paul support by challenging Paul to quit his party and go LP (which will alienate a lot of Paul support), proves that Barr from day 1, has been working to undermine the Revolution, maybe because that was a larger plan, maybe because he can't raise any money and will be on less ballots than Nader.
 
I just want to point out that how many times does RP have to say something to get through some ever so self centered and impenetrable heads that he's NOT running independent?? Now if Mr Barrf wants to play snot nose and get out of joint because RP rejected what I'm sure Barrf thinks is a GREAT OPPORTUNITY(to be associated with BOB BARRF) that RP had already rejected thousands of times previously, so be it. It's not RP's fault Barrf is dense.
 
you just dont get it man. Ron paul was not giving any "quasi-endorsement". What he was doing was highligthing the hypocrasy and strangle hold the two party system imposes. Ron paul stood up there today to announce that all legtimate third parties / independant candidates deserve a spot on the medias agenda and at the debating forums. Once again he has shown himself to be the bigger man by saying, look, we don't agree on everything but we are bound by the common thread of oppresion from the presidential debate commission and the national media and if we want to fix this we have to work together. Vote for who trully represents you, is what ron spoke about today. He happens to be a believer in freedom and realizes not everyone agrees with his stance but that doesn't warrant their exclusion from a fair and legitimate process.

What barr did is no better than what the two big parties do. Me or no one is what barr painted on his donkey end today.

Very very sad.

And yes, i was at the press conference.


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Barr, and the LP's excuse as to say that scattering support to the four winds is worthless... I say to that, if the LP is only about centralizing support to the LP, then they are just a Dem Party / Rep Party in the making...

The ultimate goal, and what most of us are looking for, is not 3 parties looking to centralize power to a small group of inner party members... What we want, is choice, Not more power among the few.

The LP is blaming the other interests in not growing the LP platform...


What to do with all of us, in all our parties...
We do need to group up under one party, to be able to compete with the big two... but it needs to be a true umbrella party that can attract all people from all these 3rd parties and the support from people like Ron Paul...
 
Ron Paul supporters keep looking for a messiah or someone to train them because they are still new to all of this, riding the emotional highs and lows, not really understanding what Dr. Paul has been trying to tell everyone for months now.

Guilty as charged!

But after more reflection I'm brought back to something I've told myself several times over the past year "Ron Paul's been in this game a long time, the man knows what he is doing."

The election is 2 months away, far too late to change this country's leadership in 2008, but not too late to change this country's discussion. (and definitely not too late to start planning for 2012!)

With Ron Paul's press conference (and please watch the CNN interview from today) - he has already started to change the discussion, and I think that will continue for the next two months (and next four years). And if finding common ground and sharing a stage with Nader and McKinney earns him some respect in their follower's eyes - then he just expanded his own base as well.

(I'm reserving judgment on Barr to see what comes out over the next couple of days.)
 
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Let me declare that Both Barr and Paul were right today in what they intended, and both wrong in the way they went about it. It would have been far better for Barr to have attended the event, and from there or afterward issued his altogether correct criticism of it (that it was an indecisive gesture that led to nowhere). Yes, Paul wanted to expand the public's awareness beyond the two parties, but the strongest way to do this would have been to have used the occasion to announce C4L would sponsor an inclusive, nationally televised Presidential debate for the four candidates, with Paul serving as host. This would have been especially meaningful since his group has the funds to do so, and would have been a superb vehicle for positively promoting the C4L. What he did do was put together a non-event event of a press conference that made Paul look good, but will be utterly forgotten by the public in a week---assuming they even took notice of it today. So who ended up being more selfish here, Paul or Barr, in the long run?

Yeah, maybe Barr should have kept his promise about attending the Paul press conference, instead of not delivering---and maybe Paul should have fulfilled his promise to make a truly 'unprecedented announcement,' instead another weak generalized solidarity statement on behalf of third parties, that did exactly nothing to concretely further any of them. Folks, when we started last year it was specifically about getting Ron Paul elected President, based on his specific liberty agenda. It was not about furthering third parties just for the sake of promoting third parties (as the Ron Paul Republicans keep reminding us), or even about cultivating a cult around Paul that worships his every statement or gesture, to the exclusion of every other interest in the liberty movement.

What, Paul has the right to insist on maintaining his current Republican status, but Barr has no right to insist on his Libertarian one? We should respect Paul's right to choose not to give up his seat, but Barr has no right to choose not to give up his nomination? Paul can choose to not endorse a candidate, but Barr absolutely has to endorse Paul's press conference? Is it all Paul, no one else matters? By Paul not putting his group's funds into any follow-up measure that specifically would help the third party candidates beyond the words, yet another opportunity is lost to maintain momentum---as was lost when the campaign pulled out of organizing the July 12 rally, and when it set up a multi-million dollar C4L that, strangely, is not legally structured to provide badly needed funds on behalf of Paulite candidacies.

I challenge the presumption that Paul's approach today represented the better "long view" while Barr was being shortsighted. For better or ill, the LP provided the strongest platform to further the liberty agenda outside the two major parties, and its improved ballot status (state by state) via a Paul candidacy would have been the strongest specific advance we could make short of Paul actually winning. Instead, Paul's team has drifted towards generalized education versus structural electoral progress, and the pattern has been (thus far) lots of rhetoric leading to stillborn events and no specific progress. Barr basically called Paul on it today, and does it from the authority of having helped to provide several chances for Paul to make specific progress that would be lasting.
 
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I think it just boils down to a missed opportunity.

Like a kicker missing a field goal to move their team ahead at the end of the 3rd Quarter... but there's still a quarter left in the game.

If Barr had gone, he could have strengthened both his own campaign, and the liberty movement. He blew that opportunity, made a lot of people mad at him, but there's still 2 months before the election.

If you take all emotion out of it, the policies he lists on his website and the things he talks about in interviews are still the closest thing we have to Ron Paul.
 
I think it just boils down to a missed opportunity.

Like a kicker missing a field goal to move their team ahead at the end of the 3rd Quarter... but there's still a quarter left in the game.

If Barr had gone, he could have strengthened both his own campaign, and the liberty movement. He blew that opportunity, made a lot of people mad at him, but there's still 2 months before the election.

If you take all emotion out of it, the policies he lists on his website and the things he talks about in interviews are still the closest thing we have to Ron Paul.

barr lost my vote for good and my wifes and many others, damage has been done,lil too late
 
excuse me??

Let me declare that Both Barr and Paul were right today in what they intended, and both wrong in the way they went about it. It would have been far better for Barr to have attended the event, and from there or afterward issued his altogether correct criticism of it (that it was an indecisive gesture that led to nowhere). Yes, Paul wanted to expand the public's awareness beyond the two parties, but the strongest way to do this would have been to have used the occasion to announce C4L would sponsor an inclusive, nationally televised Presidential debate for the four candidates, with Paul serving as host. This would have been especially meaningful since his group has the funds to do so, and would have been a superb vehicle for positively promoting the C4L. What he did do was put together a non-event event of a press conference that made Paul look good, but will be utterly forgotten by the public in a week---assuming they even took notice of it today. So who ended up being more selfish here, Paul or Barr, in the long run?

Yeah, maybe Barr should have kept his promise about attending the Paul press conference, instead of not delivering---and maybe Paul should have fulfilled his promise to make a truly 'unprecedented announcement,' instead another weak generalized solidarity statement on behalf of third parties, that did exactly nothing to concretely further any of them. Folks, when we started last year it was specifically about getting Ron Paul elected President, based on his specific liberty agenda. It was not about furthering third parties just for the sake of promoting third parties (as the Ron Paul Republicans keep reminding us), or even about cultivating a cult around Paul that worships his every statement or gesture, to the exclusion of every other interest in the liberty movement.

What, Paul has the right to insist on maintaining his current Republican status, but Barr has no right to insist on his Libertarian one? We should respect Paul's right to choose not to give up his seat, but Barr has no right to choose not to give up his nomination? Paul can choose to not endorse a candidate, but Barr absolutely has to endorse Paul's press conference? Is it all Paul, no one else matters? By Paul not putting his group's funds into any follow-up measure that specifically would help the third party candidates beyond the words, yet another opportunity is lost to maintain momentum---as was lost when the campaign pulled out of organizing the July 12 rally, and when it set up a multi-million dollar C4L that, strangely, is not legally structured to provide badly needed funds on behalf of Paulite candidacies.

I challenge the presumption that Paul's approach today represented the better "long view" while Barr was being shortsighted. For better or ill, the LP provided the strongest platform to further the liberty agenda outside the two major parties, and its improved ballot status (state by state) via a Paul candidacy would have been the strongest specific advance we could make short of Paul actually winning. Instead, Paul's team has drifted towards generalized education versus structural electoral progress, and the pattern has been (thus far) lots of rhetoric leading to stillborn events and no specific progress. Barr basically called Paul on it today, and does it from the authority of having helped to provide several chances for Paul to make specific progress that would be lasting.

look ron paul did nothing wrong yesterday ,except expecting barr to show to something he confirmed to go to, barrs mistake alone period. when you try to explain away yesterday ,you only dig the hole deeper. no one is buying this BS well barrs long-term plan assured i will not support the lp until they dump barr ,yeah great long-term plan,the shit is getting deeper
 
And was Barr hoping that Ron Paul would accept the invitation to run on the VP ticket, and thus make Paul's conference about Barr?

It seems the entire event was staged to try to grab the spotlight. It didn't work - Barr managed to marginalize himself, thus saving the major party from even needing to acknowledge him.


The timing on that deal is awful. I know some people were hoping that Barr had scheduled a conference to discuss "the endorsement" that came during Paul's conference. What a shock that must have been.

I really don't think there was any infiltration, except by disenchanted voters. Libertarians are notoriously disorganized, but they have ballot access, making that party prime for takeover.

Heck, Barr should have offered Nader the VP slot.
 
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