Barr Bashes Ron Paul on ReasonTV

[Brassmouth]

Fine,
Bob Barr said:
"what they ought to be disappointed in is Ron Paul's behavior"
I totally disagree.
I will wait for your excuse to agree.
WHAT part of Ron Paul's "behavior" should we we be "disappointed with"???????????????

Well, I already expressed my opinion (and others have agreed) that Dr. Paul simply stated his support of Baldwin to spite Barr's snubbing him, which I'll admit was rude, but I don't condemn him for choosing not to attend.

I believe Barr believes we should be disappointed that Dr. Paul has publicized his support of a candidate and party that obviously do not align with his (Paul's) beliefs. And the thing that began all of this was Barr's criticism that Dr. Paul has "scattered his movement to the winds" in endorsing all major third party candidates, despite vast ideological differences. I think Dr. Paul took great offense to this, and they had a falling out.

You're free to object, as I'm sure you will, but realize that Dr. Paul is a human being, not a demigod. He makes mistakes. He has lapses in judgment. I believe his decision to announce his support of Baldwin was one of them. I still love the man, though, he has done more for this country than most.

 

[revolutionary8]

In case you "dont get it" FOGG BARR" IS DISTANCING HIMSELF.
Being the Liberty Lovers that we are, we should
LET HIM GO ON HIS WAY.

 

[revolutionary8]

Well, I already expressed my opinion (and others have agreed) that Dr. Paul simply stated his support of Baldwin to spite Barr's snubbing him, which I'll admit was rude, but I don't condemn him for choosing not to attend.

I believe Barr believes we should be disappointed that Dr. Paul has publicized his support of a candidate and party that obviously do not align with his (Paul's) beliefs. And the thing that began all of this was Barr's criticism that Dr. Paul has "scattered his movement to the winds" in endorsing all major third party candidates, despite vast ideological differences. I think Dr. Paul took great offense to this, and they had a falling out.

You're free to object, as I'm sure you will, but realize that Dr. Paul is a human being, not a demigod. He makes mistakes. He has lapses in judgment. I believe his decision to announce his support of Baldwin was one of them. I still love the man, though, he has done more for this country than most.

Blah blah blah...

we know "WHO" you are.
been there, done ya
"New Bob Barr support strap".

 

[Brassmouth]

Blah blah blah...
YOU are rude.
Bobb b. WANTS NO PART OF THE LIBERTY CAMPAIGN.
fine by me.
AND fuck off.
Bobb Barr, your egomanical investitude means NOTHING to me.
Barr exchange rate= nothing.

Seriously? Again with the personal attacks? Do you really have no capacity for a civil discussion?

Barr is distancing himself from the likes of Baldwin, Nader, and McKinney, not from the liberty movement. In fact, the LP's efforts to become mainstream are helping us, because it's getting the idea out there to the masses that libertarianism isn't some fringe kook ideology and that it actually makes sense. I believe this is more valuable to our movement than combining with socialists and theocrats.

 

[revolutionary8]

Seriously? Again with the personal attacks? Do you really have no capacity for a civil discussion?

Barr is distancing himself from the likes of Baldwin, Nader, and McKinney, not from the liberty movement. In fact, the LP's efforts to become mainstream are helping us, because it's getting the idea out there to the masses that libertarianism isn't some fringe kook ideology and that it actually makes sense. I believe this is more valuable to our movement than combining with socialists and theocrats.

Yesss, Bob Barr is "getting his message out there to the masses".
I understand now.
beware the sheep.

It takes me awhile to get over my anger at the foolz, but many of the foolz KNOW BETTER, which pisses me off more than anything. Once again, Bob Barr is a neocon that appeals to the masses.

 

[Brassmouth]

Yesss, Bob Barr is "getting his message out there to the masses".
I understand now.
beware the sheep.

It takes me awhile to get over my anger at the foolz, but many of the foolz KNOW BETTER, which pisses me off more than anything. Once again, Bob Barr is a neocon that appeals to the masses.

Ugh, you're hopeless. There's no point.

 

[revolutionary8]

Ugh, you're hopeless. There's no point.

Once again, point me in the direction of= WHAT BOB BARR LIED about:
"we should be ashamed and embarassed about RP's actions"
TELL US WHAT WE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF.
I never got an answer.
I'll be waiting.
full circle.
You fail when you brand people as "Hopeless" (Esp. here.) They need a better pwn than yourself. You suck. lmao. Perhaps when they deem you"useless" you will consider the CFL as an outlet??
High Hopes...
lol

 

[kombayn]

Barr Sucks. End of story.

 

[libertarian4321]

Firs the guy has the nerve to wear that RETARDED looking mustache around like he's hot shit or something (yeah I said it, so what?), then he gets the libertarian nomination knowing libertarians are about as happy with him as conservatives are with John McCain and then he refuses to do basic things like show up to events where his main support will be coming from and then he insults his main support base and praises Bush and then is surprised that everyone is so quick to abandon him.
Is this guy douche bag of the year or what? I mean hes a total moron. He literaly has to have shit for brains.

Admit it, you think the mustache looks hot!

Yeah, Barr is a jackass. I won't be voting for him. First time in decades I won't be voting Libertarian.

 

[libertarian4321]

Well, I already expressed my opinion (and others have agreed) that Dr. Paul simply stated his support of Baldwin to spite Barr's snubbing him, which I'll admit was rude, but I don't condemn him for choosing not to attend.

I believe Barr believes we should be disappointed that Dr. Paul has publicized his support of a candidate and party that obviously do not align with his (Paul's) beliefs. And the thing that began all of this was Barr's criticism that Dr. Paul has "scattered his movement to the winds" in endorsing all major third party candidates, despite vast ideological differences. I think Dr. Paul took great offense to this, and they had a falling out.

You're free to object, as I'm sure you will, but realize that Dr. Paul is a human being, not a demigod. He makes mistakes. He has lapses in judgment. I believe his decision to announce his support of Baldwin was one of them. I still love the man, though, he has done more for this country than most.

Barr is a fool. His stunt on the day of the meeting was bad enough, but he couldn't let it go. He kept pushing it, saying that Ron Paul should endorse a candidate if he wanted to show "leadership". Well, he got what he asked for- Ron Paul endorsed a candidate (Baldwin).

Did Barr really think he'd get Dr. Paul's endorsement after acting like a complete prick?

I was skeptical of Barr's conversion from "neocon" to "libertarian" all along, but was going to vote for him.

However, after his extreme douchebaggery, he has lost my vote, and probably the votes of many other Libertarians.

Note to Mr. Barr- insulting Dr. Paul, a guy who has done more to bring libertarianism to prominence than any other candidate, when your own libertarian credentials are questionable at best, probably isn't a smooth move.

We need to get the Libertarian Party back on track- another disaster like Bob Barr, and the Libertarian Party will go the way of the Reform Party!

 

[dannno]

Paul's moves however have been the bigger disappointment to me. So again I ask, what exactly did Barr say in this video that is wrong?

If you don't understand what Ron Paul is doing with third parties, and if you don't understand how valuable their positions are, then you don't get it. If you don't try to get it then you won't.

There are many libertarians who go back and forth from green to libertarian candidates because the green party, Ralph Nader included, represents much more freedom than the mainstream candidates.

The libertarians who can't understand this concept go around screeming about domestic socialism all day like it is worse than foreign socialism and wasting our money killing foreigners, blowing up sand and bridges and rebuilding them, etc.. and not to mention CORPORATE SOCIALISM, i.e. the FED, which is really the biggest issue.. you need to rethink your priorities is all.

 

[libertarian4321]

THAT is why Barr "blew off" RP, he has to look out for his party. To him, it simply wasnt worth the risk.

Any way you look at it, Barr fucked up. He pissed off tons of Libertarians and libertarians with his antics. I doubt his "principled stance" attracted anyone to his cause or the LP.

Barr is, at best, a screw up, and at worst, intentionally sabotaging the LP.

Either way, I'm done with him, as are many other Libertarians.

All we can do now is sit back and watch the disaster, and fix things for 2012.

 

[zeke105]

Here's the one thing that really pulled me away from Barr:

A. He belonged to the CIA for 21 years (publicly).

B. Field agents of the CIA, which he was, are trained to impersonate people they are not to gain intelligence.

C. This implies that he should have at least some proficiency in deception since he was in their service for so long.

D. Knowing he has the deceptive capabilities, and given his unreliable track record as a politician, there is no way a reasonable person is able to verify the current views he claims to have.

This doesn't bother anyone else? *shrug* Maybe, I'm biased. I hate political parties altogether. They're so divisive and dogmatic. And so easily infiltrated and corrupted. But I digress...

 

[acptulsa]

Barr is, at best, a screw up, and at worst, intentionally sabotaging the LP.

And if the latter, you must admit that the neocons' timing is good. The LP was in a great position to take advantage of a perfect storm this year until this mustachioed Humpty Dumpty jumped off of the wall. Damned shame...

 

[richiep]

Here's the one thing that really pulled me away from Barr:

A. He belonged to the CIA for 21 years (publicly).

B. Field agents of the CIA, which he was, are trained to impersonate people they are not to gain intelligence.

C. This implies that he should have at least some proficiency in deception since he was in their service for so long.

D. Knowing he has the deceptive capabilities, and given his unreliable track record as a politician, there is no way a reasonable person is able to verify the current views he claims to have.

This doesn't bother anyone else? *shrug* Maybe, I'm biased. I hate political parties altogether. They're so divisive and dogmatic. And so easily infiltrated and corrupted. But I digress...

Of all the things that are said about Barr, the CIA thing is the most laughable. My wife's cousin works for the CIA, and guess what, she is the boring human being I have ever met! After 9-11, she called my wife and said, "you don't want to be in NYC." Yeah, some great Intel there! (later on she said there was a lot of talk how there could be more attacks) yeah... there was a lot of talk EVERYWHERE that there could be more! lol

One other thing, as a franchise owner, do you know in the many of these top secured Government buildings there are food places such as Subway? I wonder when I'll see some one post on here how some one running somewhere can't be trusted cause while he was in College used to make subs in the Pentagon! lol

 

[dannno]

Of all the things that are said about Barr, the CIA thing is the most laughable. My wife's cousin works for the CIA, and guess what, she is the boring human being I have ever met!

So you think that all CIA agents are like your wife's cousin??

The fact that he is in the CIA doesn't mean much, I admit, until it is put into context.

 

[mitty]

So you think that all CIA agents are like your wife's cousin??

The fact that he is in the CIA doesn't mean much, I admit, until it is put into context.

context? you mean how he said his job in the cia was to hide the executive branchs secrets from congress? yeah, im sure he is for more clarity in government. what a libertarian.

 

[revolutionary8]

And if the latter, you must admit that the neocons' timing is good. The LP was in a great position to take advantage of a perfect storm this year until this mustachioed Humpty Dumpty jumped off of the wall. Damned shame...

Yes, and regarding the CIA, I can't STAND those people. Besides Sibel Edmunds and her kind of course.

 

[richiep]

And if the latter, you must admit that the neocons' timing is good. The LP was in a great position to take advantage of a perfect storm this year until this mustachioed Humpty Dumpty jumped off of the wall. Damned shame...

Ok so let me see if I understand this. Barr, the great neo-con genius and spy, worked his magic by trying to get the LP to recruit Paul, knew that Paul would say no and then open the door for him to jump in. Once he jumped in, he would then be able to stop the election of Mary Ruwart, which was bound to happen, as the media was going to give her all the attention and notice that Badnarik never received!

Wow, he is so clever! I never would have seen his great plot if you didn't point it out to me.

What I'm still confused on is exactly how Barr was able to cause Paul to lose the Primary, we all know he did it somehow! If he wasn't so smart, we also be able to show how he was also responsible for 9-11 and how he has prevented the cure from Cancer from being released to the public. I've heard that the CIA trained him to use his mind to cause storms to form in the gulf. Its no coincidence that there have been a few major storms since Badnarik ran. He needed to do that to stop Ruwart, can't you all see that!!!!

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

Barr was only with the CIA about eight years.

He wasn't a field agent.

At first he was a desk analyst while he went to law school at night.

After he got his law degree, he was a legislative counsel for the CIA -- i.e., he represented the CIA in negotiations with Congress/staff on writing laws.

Here's the one thing that really pulled me away from Barr:

A. He belonged to the CIA for 21 years (publicly).

B. Field agents of the CIA, which he was, are trained to impersonate people they are not to gain intelligence.

C. This implies that he should have at least some proficiency in deception since he was in their service for so long.

D. Knowing he has the deceptive capabilities, and given his unreliable track record as a politician, there is no way a reasonable person is able to verify the current views he claims to have.

This doesn't bother anyone else? *shrug* Maybe, I'm biased. I hate political parties altogether. They're so divisive and dogmatic. And so easily infiltrated and corrupted. But I digress...