Barack Obama will destroy McCain, GOP needs to consider other candidates, please digg

[nbhadja]

Bob Barr is a neocon in disguise that is using the Libertarian Party to advance his career.

I don't think he has really changed at all. If his voting record changed that's part of his plan.

Remember, Bob Barr was the kind of person who did not at all mind that he was breaking apart families, ruining lives, and destroying marriages by putting innocent people in prison.

People that cold and evil don't change quickly.

No if it was part of the plan he would just publically state his opposition to those things while actually voting for them.

Just like McCain does about small government and Obama does on the war. Obama says he is anti war but actually is voting for more war. Same with McCain saying he is for small government but votes for big government.
The media never reports their voting record, just what they say in public.

The fact that Barr has changed his voting record means he has changed.

 

[agitator]

Federalist... you are the first troll to be put on my ignore list. Congrats.

You guys do realize you are arguing with a sockpuppet, right?

 

[Ninja Homer]

Obama will indeed destroy McCain. The flip side to that is that if Ron Paul was the Republican candidate, he would destroy Obama, and that is the only way that Obama can be defeated. Actually, there's one other way, which is if there's another 9/11 type incident, which is a scary thought considering how the gov and media seem to be propagating war with Iran.

Here's Zogby's electoral college map:
http://www.zogby.com/50state/index.cfm

Obama has 273. McCain has 160. There are 105 electoral votes that are too close to call.

Even if McCain miraculously grabbed all the states that are too close to call, he still loses to Obama.

If you click on the individual states, you'll see the percentages for all the candidates. I think it's pretty safe to assume that if Ron Paul was the Republican candidate rather than McCain, his percentage would be pretty close to the combined percentage of McCain and Barr. It could possibly be higher than that because Paul would draw more independents away from Obama than McCain does.

If this was the case, then Ron Paul would take all of the states that are too close to call. There are also states that Obama currently has that would go to Ron Paul.

For example, Colorado currently has Obama at 40%, McCain at 38%, and Barr at 8%. If Ron Paul was the Republican candidate, he'd have 46% to Obama's 40%. Ron Paul takes 9 electoral votes away from Obama, and that combined with the states McCain currently has and the "too close to call" states is enough to beat Obama. There are some other states like Colorado that Paul would take away from Obama as well.

The only way the Republican candidate can win is if that candidate is Ron Paul.

 

[Thomas_Paine]

Federalist... you are the first troll to be put on my ignore list. Congrats.

That's very ironic...everyone is already ignoring YOUR foolishness.

 

[kombayn]

Ron Paul for President! WOO!!!

 

[LibertyEagle]

McCain is for less government (and government control) and Obama is for more government control in our everyday lives... you are wrong sir.

You're full of it, Jaaaman. Regardless of what you say, the proof is in the pudding. McCain votes for increases in the size and scope of government. He may be slightly better overall than Obama, but even that is questionable. They are both leftists.
http://nowaymccain.com/

 

[LibertyEagle]

There is no one else. McCain is it. Conservatives need to deal in reality now.

Yes, they should and vote for either Barr or Baldwin. A conservative who votes for McCain is selling out every principle they ever had. Let's check on those right now, shall we?

- Limited Constitutional government
- Personal privacy
- Personal responsibility
- Strong national defense (not offense)
- Fiscal responsibility in government
- Individual liberty

McCain fails in every category.

www.nowaymccain.com

 

[The_Orlonater]

Bob Barr 08!


If not, we're screwed.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

You're full of it, Jaaaman. Regardless of what you say, the proof is in the pudding. McCain votes for increases in the size and scope of government. He may be slightly better overall than Obama, but even that is questionable. They are both leftists.
http://nowaymccain.com/

Is that your site? I already know McCain sucks, don't need to read anything in there.

Thank you

1. He has a consistent pattern of shocking verbal abuse, including screaming profanities, against Senate Republican colleagues who oppose his bills in any way

That's actually one of his better qualities imo

3. He has worked against the principles of the Republican Party, promoting greatly expanding federal regulatory authority in order to combat global warming in ways that would greatly burden the American economy, contrary to free market forces

What we all have to realize is that the nominee of both parties both believe in GW and in the intervention of state to "do something about it." Do what? Increase government power, naturally, in order to better undermine individual liberty; not to mention ruin our economy more.

 

[The_Orlonater]

Ugh, I hate what's going right now. No unity, we're all split up, some of us are voting Baldwin, some Barr, and some even went to the unthinkable. People are even doing useless write-ins...

Everyone just bitches at each other back and forth.

 

[JMann]

O'Bama will never be elected president unless Barr pulls a large number of votes. O'Bama has been a media darling for the last year, has spent 200 million dollars running and the generic Republicans are getting crushed in most polls. O'Bama is only tied with McCain after all that. He was only supported by 50% of Democrats in the primary. He is the most liberal member of the Senate and has far higher unfavorable ratings than McCain.

If after all the media promotion of O'Bama while trying to destroy McCain and he is only tied with McCain he is toast. This is why Hill and Bill went around talking about his campaign being a fairytale. O'Bama may generate excitement from the college and 20'something crowd the vast majority of voters relate to McCain. Regardless of how many people tell you O'Bama is not beatable I simply will point out that with a 2/1 fundraising advantage over Hill he lost like 13 of 18 primaries after March 1st. Many by like 75-25% and the more people see of him the more they hate him. The far left that raised the money for him are learning he is pro-gun, death penalty, Iraq war and wiretapping phone calls. The money is drying up and people now understand he is simply a state legislature elected from the most corrupt district in the most politically corrupt city in the county.

The fact that O'Bama isn't leading McCain by 20 points at this time shows he is an empty suit with little or no future.

O'Bama is acting like he is Harold Ford Jr and he isn't and on top of that the civil rights leaders want to not only cut off his nuts they want to cut them out and that is assuming he has any balls in the first place.

B. H. O'Bama has about a zero percent chance of being elected in November. In the last few months this kid has thrown his bigoted grandmother, father and pastor under the bus and has shown he the king of misspeaking and changes long held convictions. Hell in NC he is still running ads all day introducing himself as someone that has 'faith' in our country. If people haven't bought into the fact he even likes the country he has zero chance of winning in November.

 

[Akus]

JMann, Obama is not Irish....

 

[JMann]

JMann, Obama is not Irish....

I know I'm just trying to make him more acceptable by adding a " ' " between the O and B and calling him Irish. ;o)

Then again I think I've heard he is related to McCain so who knows whether he is Irish or not. Most don't know that Reagan's family changed their from O'Reagan to Reagan around the turn of the last century. OK now I want some frosted lucky charms.

 

[Join The Paul Side]

McCain is our best hope against that marxist muslim Obama...

Please jump off a cliff..............

 

[Anti Federalist]

You guys do realize you are arguing with a sockpuppet, right?

Yup.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Anti-Federalist, thanks for putting Jaaaman in perspective.

And i too would never put someone on ignore. All voices should be heard. If it wasn't for discovering Ron Paul, i would most likely be riding the obama bandwagon and singing 'everything is beautiful' while drinking cherry kool-aid.

De nada.

And what a horrible fate.

 

[ChickenHawk]

Obama will indeed destroy McCain. The flip side to that is that if Ron Paul was the Republican candidate, he would destroy Obama, and that is the only way that Obama can be defeated. Actually, there's one other way, which is if there's another 9/11 type incident, which is a scary thought considering how the gov and media seem to be propagating war with Iran.

Here's Zogby's electoral college map:
http://www.zogby.com/50state/index.cfm

Obama has 273. McCain has 160. There are 105 electoral votes that are too close to call.

Even if McCain miraculously grabbed all the states that are too close to call, he still loses to Obama.

If you click on the individual states, you'll see the percentages for all the candidates. I think it's pretty safe to assume that if Ron Paul was the Republican candidate rather than McCain, his percentage would be pretty close to the combined percentage of McCain and Barr. It could possibly be higher than that because Paul would draw more independents away from Obama than McCain does.

If this was the case, then Ron Paul would take all of the states that are too close to call. There are also states that Obama currently has that would go to Ron Paul.

For example, Colorado currently has Obama at 40%, McCain at 38%, and Barr at 8%. If Ron Paul was the Republican candidate, he'd have 46% to Obama's 40%. Ron Paul takes 9 electoral votes away from Obama, and that combined with the states McCain currently has and the "too close to call" states is enough to beat Obama. There are some other states like Colorado that Paul would take away from Obama as well.

The only way the Republican candidate can win is if that candidate is Ron Paul.

You should realize that the polls right now don't likely reflect what will happen in Nov. The fact that most polls show McCain within a few points of Obama is really astonishing considering the political environment. It's hard to see how Obama picks up significant support from here on out. Considering Obama's background, associates and utter lack of experience it seems likely the undecideds will break heavily for McCain once they start paying attention. This is even more likely since the war in Iraq is rapidly fading as a major issue. If summer polls decided the presidency Dukakis would have won in '88 by a huge landslide.

 

[JMann]

The only thing that could change O'Bama's fortunes would be to move Va and NC. I don't see how O'Bama wins Ohio, PA, Florida and could possibly loose NJ. The electoral map will be interesting but I would be shocked if O'Bama picks off more Republican states than McCain does Democratic one's. The simple fact is that McCain from March to June won about 75% support from his party while O'Bama, with all his money and media support, lost about 55% of his party all the while being called the new JFK everyday in the media.

The only reason O'Bama is the nominee is because of the super-delegate process which has nothing to do with voters. If the Dems had the same rules as the Reps, Hill would of won the nomination in February.

 

[No1ButPaul08]

The only thing that could change O'Bama's fortunes would be to move Va and NC. I don't see how O'Bama wins Ohio, PA, Florida and could possibly loose NJ. The electoral map will be interesting but I would be shocked if O'Bama picks off more Republican states than McCain does Democratic one's. The simple fact is that McCain from March to June won about 75% support from his party while O'Bama, with all his money and media support, lost about 55% of his party all the while being called the new JFK everyday in the media.

The only reason O'Bama is the nominee is because of the super-delegate process which has nothing to do with voters. If the Dems had the same rules as the Reps, Hill would of won the nomination in February.

I'm not saying you are one, but this reeks of a sore loser Hillary Clinton supporter. From March to June? Not to minimize Ron, but the GOP nomination was all but sealed at the beginning of March. In fact, many saw McCain's 75% as a sign of weakness as he was declared the presumptive nominee.

Obama also won more pledged delegates and the popular vote, which is why the Supers went his way. I'm not sure why you bring up the rules argument, it can work both ways. If the GOP had the same rules as the Dems (without the Supers, but how pledged delegates are awarded), the GOP nomination would likely still be open and we would be looking at a brokered convention. McCain absolutely cleaned up the Winner-Take-All states. Anyway, Obama followed his parties rules and won, so your argument is rather baseless.

IMO, both parties systems have flaws. For the Dems, the Superdelegates system is a sham. For the GOP, the WTA system in some states is bad, along with other flaws. I would prefer an all-caucus, unpledged delegate system. That way, the candidate with the numbers AND passion win out.

 

[Akus]

Then again I think I've heard he is related to McCain so who knows whether he is Irish or not.

Dick Cheney