Ban on Gay Marriage Gets on North Carolina Ballot

[Rael]

Well BuddyRey might care if he actually started doing unauthorized weddings. If he did them for gays they would be meaningless. If he did them for straights they would be meaningless and he could go to jail and/or pay a fine. I'm not sure why don't get this.

You pretty much made my point. Since it is meaningless, there is no point in having BuddyRey perform a ceremony.

 

[jmdrake]

You pretty much made my point. Since it is meaningless, there is no point in having BuddyRey perform a ceremony.

Well if a ceremony only has meaning if it is approved by the government then bar-mitzphahs are meaningless also.

 

[Rael]

There is no more of a legal justification to bar gay incest than there is to bar gay marriage. Heterosexual incest theoretically should be barred because of gene pool problems.

And this sums up the problem, and shows how arbitrary the laws on marriage are. Although if you want to ban people based on gene pool problems, we also should bar people with inheritable conditions like Huntington's disease from procreating.

 

[jmdrake]

And this sums up the problem, and shows how arbitrary the laws on marriage are. Although if you want to ban people based on gene pool problems, we also should bar people with inheritable conditions like Huntington's disease from procreating.

I expressed no desire to ban people from marrying based on gene pool problems. I used the "gay incest" example because if I had just said "incest" other people would have brought up the gene issue. The not so subtle point that I was making with that is that secularists try to say some people are "hateful" for recoiling at same sex marriage, but many of those same secularists recoil an incest for no better or worse reason.

As for the laws being arbitrary that's my point. Arbitrary laws on marriage in N.C. simultaneously allow official heterosexual marriage, allow unofficial homosexual marriage, disallow official homosexual marriage and criminalize unofficial heterosexual marriage.

Think of it this way. Imagine 4 couples. The first is a traditional heterosexual couple Bob and Sue. The second is a gay couple that wants to be traditional Sally and Jane. The third is a heterosexual libertarian couple Rick and Lisa. The fourth is a gay libertarian couple Tom and Phil. The traditional couples want state approved weddings. The libertarian couples would rather keep the state entirely out of their marriage. They don't want a marriage license. Bob and Sue are fine. They can be married by Rev. BuddyRey. Sally and Jane can be married to, but the state won't recognize their marriage. Tom and Phil can be married, the state won't recognize their marriage and they don't care. But the libertarian heterosexual couple Rick and Lisa? If Rev. BuddyRey attempts to marry them without a license he faces a fine and jail time. North Carolina discriminates against heterosexual couples that don't want the state involved in their marriage. The answer? Get the state all the way out. But some folks are too worried about Sally and Jane to give a flip about Rick and Lisa.