Baldwin: "Only between a Man and a Woman Only"

Suck it chuck. You are losing my vote.

Are you gay?

What exactly do you want him to suck?

I agree 100% with Chuck Baldwin on this issue. Marriage should indeed be between only a man and a woman. Most Americans think the same way. If you don't think so then tell my why the two elite candidates are both against homo marriage? Your position is a losing position and it is morally wrong according to the Bible.
 
The ignorance is astounding. The Protestants decided what books were to be included in their version themselves. That is why the Book of Maccabees, which is in the Catholic bible, is not in a Protestant's.

There were books thrown out of the bible way before protestants. Know your history.
 
I really dont get why Xtians hate gays so much. Oh ya I do..

Christians don't hate gays. Despite popular opinion no one is born gay. Left to nature no one would be homos. It has to be taught at an early age or it will never happen. Most gays were molested by adults at an early age and that is how they got screwed up in the head to desire members of the same sex. It is not natural and it is not genetic.
 
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There were books thrown out of the bible way before protestants. Know your history.

So now you are suggesting there is some mythical book out there that says the homosexual life style is not a sin that was thrown out of the Bible? If there is then that would contradict Genesis and Romans 1.
 
So now you are suggesting there is some mythical book out there that says the homosexual life style is not a sin that was thrown out of the Bible? If there is then that would contradict Genesis and Romans 1.

I did not say there was anything about homosexuals in them. And again, gay marriage has NOTHING to do with RELIGION it has everything to do with lack of LIBERTY!
 
There were books thrown out of the bible way before protestants. Know your history.

There was never a "Bible" until various separate books were compiled and one was created. So please, learn history before you instruct others to do so.

As for which books were excluded, simply because the Catholics excluded them, doesn't mean the grounds for which they were excluded were wrong.
 
Here's what you don't understand. Marriage is NOT a civil union, it's a BIBLICAL union, and the BIBLE specifies what that union is, NOT YOU, and certainly not a GOVERNMENT.

So take your disrespect for someone's religion and place it gently, with lots of lube, where the sun doesn't shine. And stop thinking you have any damn right to tell a religious person, what their religious institution is or is not. Marriage, is a man and a woman and NOTHING else. If a man and a man want a legal union of some sort, let them have it, but don't go trying to destroy one of the foundations of a person's faith by attacking it and telling them it has to be something else it is not, and has not been for millennia.

No, it's not "biblical". The Bible didn't invent marriage, guy.
 
Apparently? Give me the verses were god punished them for their wives?

Romans 6:7 "For he who has died has been acquitted from his sin".
Romans 6:23 "For the wages sin pays is death".
Acts 2:29 "...concerning the family head David, that he both deceased and was buried and his tomb is with us to this day".
Acts 2:34 "Actually David did not ascend to the heavens..."

As for which books were excluded, simply because the Catholics excluded them, doesn't mean the grounds for which they were excluded were wrong.

The Catholic Bible (The first Catholic version of the Bible, the Douay-Rheims [1610, revised 1750], most commonly referred to as the Douay version) contains the so-called apocraful books, 7 to 19 of them, depending on which version of the version.

So, as the Catholics claim, it is the so-called Protestant version (every other translation of the Bible) that has allegedly excluded books.

No, it's not "biblical". The Bible didn't invent marriage, guy.

Genesis 2:21-24 "Hence God had a deep sleep fall upon the man and, while he was sleeping, he took one of his ribs and then closed up the flesh over its place.
And God proceeded to build the rib he had taken from the man into a woman and to bring her to the man.
Then the man said: "This is at last bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh. This one will be called Woman because from man this one was taken."
And that is why a man will leave his father and his mother and he must stick to his wife and they must become one flesh".

This was written approximately 3,500 years ago, but is an account of the actual occurrence from over 6,000 years ago, written under inspiration.

If you're of the opinion that marriage isn't a Biblical first, it would help if you cited the evidence upon which you base your opinion.
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Regardless of one's particular adherence to any particular of the thousands of Christian sects of Christendom, none should take on the mantle of Judge in condemning or exalting anyone else. It simply isn't allowed.

I think this whole argument against Baldwin is hysterical, in a nervous breakdown sort of way. We're losing our Country, our Rights under its Constitution and we may very soon be facing soup lines under Martial Law and we choose to publicly jabber on about the definition of marriage, or whatever this thread is really about.

Ron Paul has endorsed Chuck Baldwin.
Chuck Baldwin has announce he will name Ron Paul as Secretary of the Treasury.
Congress has just given the Secretary of the Treasury immense power over our economy.

What the fuck is the question?????


Bosso
 
Whether it's State or Federal, govt. should have NO right to decide how you should lead your life. Period. It's not about me being pro-Choice or pro-Gay Rights, it's about me being pro-Less Government interfering in your PERSONAL LIVES as long as it doesn't directly effect/affect someone else's life or activities.

Then you are oblivious to government and life. Our lives affects others whether or not it's personal or not. If something is manifestly against the natural law it should be illegal. Call it theocracy, but it's part of a fair and just government.

Do you realize every state had anti-homosexuality laws until recently? Do you think the state has benefited by not having them? Well the contrary is true as well, now they are repealed they are making hate speech, and even imposing who we hire and fire against how I or someone else wants to run their life.

You see law can't live in a vacuum. It has to go one way or another. If homosexuality is not against the law, it will be illegal for me to live my life and my business. If you could have that natural vacuum that exists for pure liberty without references natural law than you win. But I've never seen it ever in any generation in any gov't.
 
Ah, you see. Those anti-barr guys were really just anti-LP, CP subservients. I knew it. Damn theocrats, they're coniving liars.

You have an anger problem with people who disagree with you. Do you think you might have to be constructive instead of impulsive and scary. You might not want to realize this, but most "theocrats" were the founders of this country by your definition.

Most of the people who do good things to help society are not secularists but Christians. It's a known fact that most people who do charitable work are Christian and that these people according to God's laws.

Show me a world where secularists are in charge that makes it a good place to live and then scream liar at yourself to realize you don't have a freaking clue what you are talking about. Read my signature and read that article by Ron Paul I posted and realize you are arguing against Ron Paul and the war against religion.
 
I never thought I'd see this much HATE on the Ron Paul forums.
Sad.


People being Gay, and Gays being married, does not affect you AT ALL.

What is the big deal??
 
You have an anger problem with people who disagree with you. Do you think you might have to be constructive instead of impulsive and scary. You might not want to realize this, but most "theocrats" were the founders of this country by your definition.

Most of the people who do good things to help society are not secularists but Christians. It's a known fact that most people who do charitable work are Christian and that these people according to God's laws.

Show me a world where secularists are in charge that makes it a good place to live and then scream liar at yourself to realize you don't have a freaking clue what you are talking about. Read my signature and read that article by Ron Paul I posted and realize you are arguing against Ron Paul and the war against religion.

That is very true. When disasters occur, Christian organizations are always one of the first-responders, as they were with Katrina.
 
Here's what you don't understand. Marriage is NOT a civil union, it's a BIBLICAL union, and the BIBLE specifies what that union is, NOT YOU, and certainly not a GOVERNMENT. So take your disrespect for someone's religion and place it gently, with lots of lube, where the sun doesn't shine. And stop thinking you have any damn right to tell a religious person, what their religious institution is or is not. Marriage, is a man and a woman and NOTHING else. If a man and a man want a legal union of some sort, let them have it, but don't go trying to destroy one of the foundations of a person's faith by attacking it and telling them it has to be something else, and has not been for millennia..

This is pretty much my argument. The marriage thing would not be an issue if it had remained a religious issue-unregulated and unrecognized by government. Gays can have all the "unions" they want, but marriage is religious in nature, and no government can change that.
 
You have an anger problem with people who disagree with you. Do you think you might have to be constructive instead of impulsive and scary. You might not want to realize this, but most "theocrats" were the founders of this country by your definition.

Most of the people who do good things to help society are not secularists but Christians. It's a known fact that most people who do charitable work are Christian and that these people according to God's laws.

Show me a world where secularists are in charge that makes it a good place to live and then scream liar at yourself to realize you don't have a freaking clue what you are talking about. Read my signature and read that article by Ron Paul I posted and realize you are arguing against Ron Paul and the war against religion.

RP did not argue for placing religious laws above all else. Above government laws, yes. (he mentioned "just war theory of christianity" in the debates) His philosophy is laissez faire in nature. :) Gotta love it.
 
Here's what you don't understand. Marriage is NOT a civil union, it's a BIBLICAL union, and the BIBLE specifies what that union is, NOT YOU, and certainly not a GOVERNMENT. So take your disrespect for someone's religion and place it gently, with lots of lube, where the sun doesn't shine. And stop thinking you have any damn right to tell a religious person, what their religious institution is or is not. Marriage, is a man and a woman and NOTHING else. If a man and a man want a legal union of some sort, let them have it, but don't go trying to destroy one of the foundations of a person's faith by attacking it and telling them it has to be something else, and has not been for millennia..

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BTW OP, way to elaborate on your first post. It was very insightful. :rolleyes: If you're so high minded about liberty, you shouldn't be seeking the federal government's approval on this private and personal contract between two individuals, which also happens to be a religious sacrament. Baldwin is totally correct in simply expressing the definition of marriage. Even Ron Paul when asked about this issue at a debate basically said that we don't need to legislate marriage and that all you need to do is "look it up" [the definition of marriage]. Personally, I am also of the contention that government has no business in recognizing ANY type of marriage (which inherently is heterosexual). Of course there is a difference between marriage and civil unions however.

Hmmm, whatever happened to separation of church and state? Why is it that you would allow government to co-opt an exclusively religious institution? I mean you atheists should be up in arms over this, right!? Oh I forgot, its okay for government to limit liberty as long as it is used as a tool against Christian doctrine.
 
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That is very true. When disasters occur, Christian organizations are always one of the first-responders, as they were with Katrina.

That doesn't justify their false beliefs, now does it? What about the christians that helped Bush get elected? How about the christians that cheer when the state murders people? Two way street, dear.
 
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