Baldwin: "Only between a Man and a Woman Only"

[ItsTime]

it all boils down to Liberty for me. The government has NO right to tell who can get married, end of story.

Does a church have the right NOT to marry people they see as "unclean" damn right. But that does not mean there should be a LAW.

 

[torchbearer]

Look at you all attacking a person's faith. Despicable.

I'm attacking Baldwin's policy. I don't care what people think or believe as long as they don't want to make it law that will be force on other people.

 

[ItsTime]

Man and woman get married and have children.

Man discovers that he is actually gay. So he divorces wife and marries his golfing buddy.

The proponents of gay marriage want the gay golfers to be viewed by the family courts as 100% equal to the new family formed by hetero mom and her new husband.

That's bullshit.

If somebody wants to live as a homosexual, that's their right. But it doesn't make a gay household equivalent to a traditional household for childrearing, no matter how much gay activists want to kick and scream about it.

Nature requires that human sexual reproduction requires 1 female, and 1 male member of the species. That's not bigotry. That's just how it is.

Actually humans require more than one female. Just like every other "natural primate"

 

[nate895]

because you think there should be a law against it.

I never said that, I said private institutions should handle it, and that I should be protected from recognizing them. If other private institutions want to recognize, that is what their conscious tells them, and I can only try to convince them otherwise, not force it on them.

 

[ItsTime]

I never said that, I said private institutions should handle it, and that I should be protected from recognizing them. If other private institutions want to recognize, that is what their conscious tells them, and I can only try to convince them otherwise, not force it on them.

Then we agree and I am sorry for this debate enjoy your god. I hope it brings you happiness

 

[nate895]

Apparently? Give me the verses were god punished them for their wives?
What about abraham boning his slave?

Abraham was punished, I forgot what the punishment was, and I don't have the time to look it up. The punishment for David was the fight among his siblings for his throne, and his extreme weakness in old age.

 

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

Here's what you don't understand. Marriage is NOT a civil union, it's a BIBLICAL union, and the BIBLE specifies what that union is, NOT YOU, and certainly not a GOVERNMENT.

So take your disrespect for someone's religion and place it gently, with lots of lube, where the sun doesn't shine. And stop thinking you have any damn right to tell a religious person, what their religious institution is or is not. Marriage, is a man and a woman and NOTHING else. If a man and a man want a legal union of some sort, let them have it, but don't go trying to destroy one of the foundations of a person's faith by attacking it and telling them it has to be something else it is not, and has not been for millennia.

Marriage is a concept that has been applied in many different cultures, mainly non-christian. Christians don't have a monopoly on it any more than they do morality.

Granted, I don't believe there has ever been an ancient culture that practiced same-sex unions, but it's theoretically possible, and therefore valid.

 

[torchbearer]

The New Testament releases me from the binds of the law, beyond what my conscious states. If that is to follow it to the letter, then I am to be judged by following the law to the letter, but that is not my personal conviction.

Oh you mean these laws?

1 Timothy chapter 2:

7Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

8I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

9In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

10But with good works.

11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

 

[nate895]

Actually humans require more than one female. Just like every other "natural primate"

I require only one. Damn, I think about her all the time.

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

I'm attacking Baldwin's policy. I don't care what people think or believe as long as they don't want to make it law that will be force on other people.

No you're not, you're attacking ME!

 

[RonPaulMania]

I think there should be state laws against homosexuality, as the founders did (you guys don't realize that do you?), and it shouldn't be federal. If Baldwin is against homosexuality, but against federalizing it what's the issue really?

I know, I know... Christian hate homos right? So why all the hatred thrown at Christianity using vile language. Honestly, if there was a federal law against homosexual marriage I wouldn't have an issue as the opposite is now true, namely I can't "discriminate" against who I hire, meaning if they don't like my decision they can scream discrimination. Homosexuality is legalized already by discrimination laws against Christians. Now that the opposite discussion is brought up why all the hatred against Christians?

 

[StateofTrance]

Time and again I've said this, WRITE IN Dr. Paul. Don't vote these Barr, Baldwin etc. clowns.

 

[torchbearer]

No you're not, you're attacking ME!

I am? I thought I was listing facts people choose to ignore?
I never once directed anything personally towards you.
Perhaps the guilty would think so, but its not personal for me.

 

[dannno]

Here's what you don't understand. Marriage is NOT a civil union, it's a BIBLICAL union, and the BIBLE specifies what that union is, NOT YOU, and certainly not a GOVERNMENT.

So take your disrespect for someone's religion and place it gently, with lots of lube, where the sun doesn't shine. And stop thinking you have any damn right to tell a religious person, what their religious institution is or is not. Marriage, is a man and a woman and NOTHING else. If a man and a man want a legal union of some sort, let them have it, but don't go trying to destroy one of the foundations of a person's faith by attacking it and telling them it has to be something else it is not, and has not been for millennia.

Are you under the impression that the state would be forcing religious institutions to marry gay people?!

Otherwise you are either against free speech, or you think some people should have the right to make contracts which others cannot...or both.

 

[dannno]

I think there should be state laws against homosexuality, as the founders did (you guys don't realize that do you?), and it shouldn't be federal.

Exsqueezeme??

 

[Dary]

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I can’t believe what I’m reading on the Ron Paul forums.

Just wow. Whatever happened to the first amendment?

Or as Harry Browne would say “So much for Federalism”.

 

[torchbearer]

I can’t believe what I’m reading on the Ron Paul forums.

Just wow. Whatever happened to the first amendment?

Or as Harry Browne would say “So much for Federalism”.

You can say and believe whatever you want, just don't make it a law to be forced (an act of aggression) on other people.
I'm not advocating a law to outlaw religion, i'm just asking for everyone to have liberty, regardless of what the "majority" may believe.
Republics protect the minority from majority tyranny.

 

[Dary]

You can say and believe whatever you want, just don't make it a law to be forced (an act of aggression) on other people.
I'm not advocating a law to outlaw religion, i'm just asking for everyone to have liberty, regardless of what the "majority" may believe.
Republics protect the minority from majority tyranny.

I know.

 

[torchbearer]

I know.

I just want that to be said, so that people don't miscrue what i am saying.

 

[JaylieWoW]

Imo, government shouldn't be involved in marriage whatsoever.

+1

On the other side... the dark side called divorce, the government has turned families inside out for some pretty sick profit.