Baker Who Refused Same-sex Couple Must Take Sensitivity Training

[ZENemy]

South Park: Season 6, Episode 14 The Death Camp of Tolerance

Annnnnnnnnd once again South Park is educated about previous events making their episodes almost prophetic.


South Park: Season 6, Episode 14 The Death Camp of Tolerance

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0705969/

Mr. Garrison does what he can to get fired for being gay so he can sue the school for millions of dollars. This turns out to be easier said than done because the parents and school staff feel they have to be tolerant no matter what. When Mr. Garrison learns about discrimination lawsuits, he hires a new teaching assistant named Mr. Slave and tries everything to get fired for being gay. When the students complain, they are sent to sensitivity training. Meanwhile, a gerbil named Lemmiwinks navigates his way through the perilous world of Mr. Slave's body. Written by Mike

http://www.hulu.com/watch/250013

Basically anyone that doesn't approve of Mr. Garrisons displays of S&M no matter how over the top are not tolerant of "gays" and must recieve4 sensitivity training.

They should have showed the Jury (if there was one?) this episode.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

This is the same guy that claimed "religious convictions and then agreed to make a cake for a dog wedding.

Someone want to explain the sanctity of Dog Marriage to me?

This idiot got bit in the butt by his own Stateism.

Do you just call people statist when you don't like them? Care to define statism and how this guy falls in that category?

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Per the guidelines for RPF, comments should not be made that "promote negativity in collectivist mindsets that view humans as members of groups rather than individuals".

From a marketing perspective, the Liberty Movement (and the individuals in it) should not be portraying itself as unwelcoming of those who have a homosexual lifestyle. Using the derogatory labels highlighted (though redacted) from the quote in the original post puts up the "Not Welcome Here" sign. Avoiding the derogatory labels isn't political correctness - it's merely good marketing.

The "homosexual lifestyle." Yes, that's a brilliant non-derogatory label that should win over plenty of new members.

Keep up the good marketing.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Yep. There are just certain things in life where you draw a line. I would never plea bargain, do community service, or sit in one of these classes.

The owner should have made the cake, taken a big shit inside, and then smashed it in the tattletales' faces. They probably would've asked for seconds though. LOL.

You forget that this guy is a Christian. He doesn't actually want to offend them for its own sake. He just doesn't want to endorse a same-sex wedding.

As for "sensetivity training" I advise Sola_Fide, Nang, and myself as counselors

 

[Christian Liberty]

The "homosexual lifestyle." Yes, that's a brilliant non-derogatory label that should win over plenty of new members.

Keep up the good marketing.

No, its not derogatory. Its identifying sin as sin.

Nope



Nope.

WHYYYYY ROT IN A FUCKING CAGE TO PROVE A POINT[/IA]-AND THEN BE FORGOTTEN ABOUT BY EVERYONE AFTER A FEW, SHORT INTERNET WEEKS OF CHEST THUMPING???????

I'd go to the sensetivity training and tell the "sensetivity trainer" to repent of teaching people to be sensetive toward a disgusting and anti-godly lifestyle, not to mention being a shill for supposedly almighty "government."

I'd go to jail, but at least I'd have a chance to teach everyone not to be sensetive.

Which is why I recommend this guy accept me as his sensetivity counselor. I guarantee you he will be less "sensetive" when he's done

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

This is no big problem according to the Cathy Reisenweitz wing of liberty movement. We have to take in consideration the feelings of the groups the market is mean to. That's what's important, not freedom or property rights.

 

[Christian Liberty]

This is no big problem according to the Cathy Reisenweitz wing of liberty movement. We have to take in consideration the feelings of the groups the market is mean to. That's what's important, not freedom or property rights.

lol!

I assume Cathy Reisenweitz isn't much of a libertarian? (I don't know who she is.)

Its absurdly unlikely that there won't be some baker who would sell to a gay couple in 2014. Even if that were the case, it wouldn't change a thing. But it isn't the case. There are a ton of bakers who are OK with homosexuality. These people didn't really need a cake that they couldn't get. They just wanted to ruin this poor old man's life. That's absolutely repulsive.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

No, its not derogatory.

What's a homosexual lifestyle?

 

[Tod]

This is the same guy that claimed "religious convictions and then agreed to make a cake for a dog wedding.

Someone want to explain the sanctity of Dog Marriage to me?

This idiot got bit in the butt by his own Stateism.

Considering that the state does not even recognize dog marriages and that a dog marriage clearly has nothing serious to do with religion but is just a bit of cute fun for the dog owners and their friends (and hopefully the dogs get some tasty treats and affection out of it to make it at least tolerable for them too), what does this have to do with statism?

 

[Christian Liberty]

From the judge:

In his ruling against Phillips, Spencer wrote that the baker had “no free speech right to refuse because [he was] only asked to bake a cake, not make a speech. It is not the same as forcing a person to pledge allegiance to the government or to display a motto with which they disagree.” He added that “at first blush, it may seem reasonable that a private business should be able to refuse service to anyone it chooses. This view, however, fails to take into account the cost to society and the hurt caused to persons who are denied service simply because of who they are.”

And at second, third, and fourth blush, it still seems reasonable. This judge is a political whore. And the ACLU is filled with political whores.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Would that baker make a cake for the woman who married her dog?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/woman-marries-dog-totally-b-h-article-1.1717772

 

[Christian Liberty]

What's a homosexual lifestyle?

The term is being used to distinguish from people who have homosexual attractions but do not act on them. Its being used to describe people who are sexually or romantically involved with their own gender.

Mind you, the people who would use that terminology (including myself) almost universally disagree with the homosexual lifestyle. People who don't disagree with it usually don't see the need to distinguish between practicing and non-practicing. But the intent is not to denigrate gay people.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

The term is being used to distinguish from people who have homosexual attractions but do not act on them. Its being used to describe people who are sexually or romantically involved with their own gender.

So if a heterosexual man gets sexually involved with a woman before marriage, would that be referred to as the heterosexual lifestyle?

 

[Christian Liberty]

So if a heterosexual man gets sexually involved with a woman before marriage, would that be referred to as the heterosexual lifestyle?

I've never heard that description, but that wouldn't really be an accurate descriptor either, because a heterosexual man who chooses to wait until marriage to get involved sexually with a woman would also be living a "heterosexual lifestyle."

I'm not going to beat around the bush: "homosexual lifestyle" is certainly intended to show disapproval, and I doubt anyone who is OK with homosexual sex is going to use the term. But its not an attack like words like "fag", "slut" "whore" and so forth are attacks (BTW: my use of the word "whore" to describe the ACLU and the judge in this case was a deliberate personal attack.)

 

[Rothbardian Girl]

This is no big problem according to the Cathy Reisenweitz wing of liberty movement. We have to take in consideration the feelings of the groups the market is mean to. That's what's important, not freedom or property rights.

This is a ridiculous insinuation; thanks for misrepresenting the views of a lot of people. I think Mises himself got it right when he said:

The market is a process, actuated by the interplay of the actions of the various individuals cooperating under the division of labor. The forces determining the- continuously changing- state of the market are the value judgments of these individuals and their actions as directed by value judgments.

I'd say your implication that proper libertarians cannot be concerned with people's "feelings" is wrong. The market is not the end-all, be-all; it's the forces that shape markets, i.e., "feelings", that are.

Please note that I am not arguing for governmental force here. The judge in this case is clearly an idiot. The point I do want to make is that there is a libertarian case for supporting people that don't always enjoy an optimal outcome due to what essentially boils down to "distorted" human action.

 

[pcosmar]

Free association is NOT Statism. He has the right to do business, or not, with anyone for any reason.

I realize that.. And I do not endorse the States action.

But neither do I endorse this mindless bigot using the state to attempt to push an agenda that relies on state sanctioned marriage.
And using religiosity to push it when he has been shown to be a rank Hypocrite.

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[LibForestPaul]

Religious organization will be gunned for next. They will submit and will provide abortion and the pill regardless of their morals.
Good!

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

I assume Cathy Reisenweitz isn't much of a libertarian? (I don't know who she is.)

Cathy Reisenwitz is a middling attractive 20-something girl who gains attention from talking about how cool it is to be a slut on twitter. She also writes about how feminism is real libertarian and stuff. She's a 'young leader' in the liberty movement who's really outshining those fuddy duds at the Mises Institute, according to some.

Here's a good primer on what she's all about:
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/05/justin-raimondo-smokes-out-absurd.html

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I've never heard that description,...

Maybe I could coin the term heterosexual lifestyle to show my disapproval too? After all, premarital sex is a sin just like the homosexual lifestyle. And what if a guy plugs his wife's butt? Is that a lifestyle too? Would that be like a semi-homosexual lifestyle? It is just all so confusing.

Anyhow, my use of the term redacted is much less etymologically ambiguous than all this lifestyle stuff. Seems to me these--uh--litigants want to have it both ways. They want to personally, and financially, attack someone based on emphasizing their identity. They then however, get bent out of shape when somebody emphasizes that same identity.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Cathy Reisenwitz is a middling attractive 20-something girl who gains attention from talking about how cool it is to be a slut on twitter. She also writes about how feminism is real libertarian and stuff. She's a 'young leader' in the liberty movement who's really outshining those fuddy duds at the Mises Institute, according to some.

Here's a good primer on what she's all about:
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/05/justin-raimondo-smokes-out-absurd.html

She sounds like a bandwagon doofus who just wants to have a job somewhere. You can always distinguish between people who are really liberty minded vs. the people who like liberty until the game gets a little tough. The latter want all the benefits of liberty without any of the heartache. Sunshine libertarians.