Bailout alternative that will create jobs and restore our economy

JBA

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IF WE REALLY WANT TO STOP THE BAILOUT, WE NEED TO ADVANCE A REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE -- THE BEST WAY IS TO PUSH THE MONEY TO THE STATES -- SO THAT WE CAN RE-CREATE JOBS BY USING THE MONEY TO RE-TRAIN WORKERS, EMPLOY PEOPLE TO FIX OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, GIVE GRANTS AND SMALL BUSINESS LOANS FROM STATE GOVERNMENT TO SMALL BIZ, GIVE MORE STATE LOANS/GRANTS TO STUDENTS SO THEY CAN AFFORD COLLEGE, ETC.

COPY AND PASTE THE FOLLOWING PLAN EVERYWHERE YOU CAN -- BLOGS, ONLINE NEWS SITES, FORUMS, AND SEND IT TO YOUR SENATORS, CONGRESSMEN, ETC.

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SAVE AMERICA PLAN OF 2008

Background

WE DON’T NEED TO BAIL OUT WALL STREET. WE CAN RESCUE AMERICA BY CREATING JOBS.

The American economy is 70% based on consumer spending. This means that in order for our economy to survive people must keep spending money. Unfortunately, people can’t spend money if THEY DON’T HAVE JOBS. The bailout plan for Wall Street as presented WILL NOT help our economy – it will not create a single new job or help anyone keep their homes.

What people have to realize is that banks are a for-profit business. After Congress gives them $700 billion dollars, they’re going to pay their executives well, but they’re not going to be giving people easy loans to start a business or buy a house because banks are going to take a loss on their balance sheets when selling their bad mortgages to the Federal Government. So they’re going to hold onto the money that the government gives them and reduce their risk. Credit won’t be easier to get, consumer spending will be reduced and EVERYONE will be worse off because no one will be able to buy anything without a job.
Basically, all the money from the bailout is going to be locked up in company coffers while people lose their homes, lose their life savings, and will end up starving in the streets if nothing is done. The $700 Billion bailout plan is based on the idea that that American taxpayers will pay back the debt; but, if other countries like China move away from the dollar as the reserve currency, refuse to lend and call their debts, we will have to sell our country piece-by-piece to pay off the debt because PEOPLE WITHOUT JOBS CAN’T PAY BACK DEBTS. If you think that can’t happen, think again, because that’s how everyone felt about our economy, and as we all know, we’re now on the brink of a total financial collapse.
With the Save America Plan, people can keep their jobs and their homes and the banks can make back their money without burdening tax payers, forcing our economy into a recession or doing something insane like buying up defaulted mortgages that will never be paid off using taxpayer money. Taxpayer money should be used to HELP TAX PAYERS.

Instead of bailing out Wall Street, the Federal Govt. could actually save our country by sending that money to the States. Many States, like Michigan, are effectively bankrupt and people are losing their homes and jobs. If the Federal Government just skips over the banks and gives the money to the States, the States can enact government spending via construction jobs, government service jobs, etc. and offer grants from that money to small businesses so that they, in turn, can offer jobs to people and even low-interest loans to struggling homeowners so that they don't lose their homes. The best part of this situation is that when the State loans money, it can afford to take a higher risk because it doesn’t have a fiduciary duty to maximize returns to stockholders (unlike private banks). By doing this, and Americans actually seeing people around them doing better, this will have a psychological effect of bolstering consumer confidence – which will lead to increased spending and economic growth—and a stabilization of the housing market because people will demand homes once they have jobs. The tax revenues gotten from the economic stimulation will be able to repay debts and reduce inflation as the Federal government collects on income taxes.
The auto companies can even get a multi-billion dollar bailout from the State of Michigan instead of the Federal government. And the terms of this can be that they have to give people jobs and limit executive pay; this will be politically beneficial for not only the Presidential candidate but also for the State party and legislators because it’s a plan put forth by our party.

This concept is based on a simple premise. If you put a little bit of money into a lot of people's hands, they will spend that money and jumpstart the economy -- e.g. a million people with $1 can buy a million loaves of bread (injecting $1 million into the economy and paying the salaries of the workers at the grocery store, the truck drivers who delivered the goods, the gas station owners where the drivers filled up, and the farmers who grew the wheat for the bread), but one guy with $1 million is still only going to eat one loaf of bread while a million people who are starving and not spending money leads to a contraction of the economy.
This will help not only small business but big business too, banks will have more assets on their books as people put money into savings and checking accounts, markets will be shored back up, money market assets will re-stabilize, and companies like Apple, Microsoft, IKEA, etc. will see their bottom lines increase as people go out and spend on things like computers, iPhones, flat screen TVs, furniture, and new homes; this also means more jobs as companies have more money. Company profitability will automatically create value for investors and they will return to the stock market.

This isn’t a bailout for irresponsible people or for badly run companies—it’s a very reasonable plan to help EVERYONE – to help the AMERICAN PEOPLE and benefit on all sides—you don’t look like you’re bailing out people from bad mortgages or bailing out companies—but you are providing equal opportunity to all Americans.

Why the Paulson Bailout Won’t Work:

Put simply, let’s say you have to pay your rent but you loaned your last $100 to a guy who said he’d pay you back $150. Instead, he defaults on the loan and now you’re broke. Your mom bails you out by giving you $50 (so now you’re still $50 in the hole, but at least you have something). A new guy comes by and asks you to loan him some money. Are you going to loan it to him? Probably not without a blood sample, a lot of collateral, and a very high interest rate (because you still have to make back the $50 you lost the first time around). Even though you have replenished capital, you’re still fairly illiquid, because you don’t want to take the risk. Now replace “you” in the story with “Goldman Sachs” add “billion” after the “$”and change “your mom” to “the U.S. Government” and “guy” to “borrowers”—welcome to the US economy post-bailout.

Banks are businesses and even with the write downs they won’t loan money to people at a high risk—this will mean that it will still be very hard for small businesses or individuals to get loans and they’ll have to still pay an unaffordable interest rate—which will lead to even more defaults. States don’t have this problem – the government isn’t a for-profit business – their only job is to make sure that the citizens are taken care of – even if some people default on their loans to the government, it won’t wipe out the economy because the government recoups money through taxes, but when companies lose money they don’t get it back (that’s why they need the bailout on Wall Street right now). Also, bailing out Goldman Sachs or other banks won’t bring back the money or value people lost in companies that have already gone under like AIG or Lehman Bros. An economic recovery, however, will automatically re-capitalize the markets because people will have extra money to put into the stock market.

The plan:

1. Split the $700 Billion as needed amongst the 50 States: If split equally, that is $14 Billion per State (to give a context to this, the entire budget of Michigan is ~$1 Billion).

2. Using State revenues, all 50 states can implement social and economic programs to help retrain their workers, offer capital and grants for businesses, jobs, education and tuition costs, and infrastructure. Many States have recently been through severe upheavals due to entire industries collapsing or being outsourced (e.g. automotive) – hundreds of thousands of people have worked in the same place for 30-40 years and just been laid off. When a State has that kind of burden, it needs a significant amount of capital to retrain workers or provide a safety net for these displaced people – the redirected bailout will provide these funds so that American workers can “catch up” to the times or exit the workforce with dignity and enough of a cushion to pay their rent / heating bills in retirement.

3. This plan will pay for itself because when consumers spend money, they pay sales tax, gas tax, and other taxes; which come right back to the State…not to mention INCOME taxes, which go to the Federal government and will allow us to REPAY the national debt instead of just destroying people’s lives and burdening future generations with more debt.

4. The banks will be repaid and people will be able to keep their homes because THEY WILL HAVE JOBS

This plan accomplishes the following:

1. Reinvigorates consumer spending by GIVING PEOPLE JOBS. This fixes the economy because 70% of the economy is based off of people spending money.

2. Enables people to stay in their homes and increases home ownership because THEY HAVE JOBS, so they can pay their mortgages – even possibly move back into their old homes and reduce the glut of properties being held by banks.

3. Recreates the credit markets, because people with jobs can pay back their debts and homes with intrinsic value can once again be considered a safe asset.

4. Increases consumer sentiment and psychologically gives people hope: Nothing says things are changing for the better than seeing homes in your neighborhood being bought, property values going up and finding a job / seeing your standard of living go up.

5. Education -- $14 Billion would go a LONG way to saving State education (No Child Left Behind could be adequately funded), helping kids go to college via more State scholarships, and with more people employed, they can begin saving and paying back debt like student loans.
 
...underlined, all caps, bold? Those are the first three clues this more-of-the-same central planning, liberty stomping, federal reserve and income tax worshiping plan is D O O M E D from the git-go.

Try de-regulation, repeal 98% of all federal laws, slash taxes, end wars (including the war on some drugs), eliminate the fed (inflation tax) and return to sound money.

Make government tear up the Communist Manifesto guide book to the NWO that they have been using, limit the function of government via the U.S. Constitution and stand back as Liberty restores America.
 
...underlined, all caps, bold? Those are the first three clues this more-of-the-same central planning, liberty stomping, federal reserve and income tax worshiping plan is D O O M E D from the git-go.

Try de-regulation, repeal 98% of all federal laws, slash taxes, end wars (including the war on some drugs), eliminate the fed (inflation tax) and return to sound money.

Make government tear up the Communist Manifesto guide book to the NWO that they have been using, limit the function of government via the U.S. Constitution and stand back as Liberty restores America.

Anathema to the reigns of power!
 
I beg to differ...

Putting out another government spending plan won't work. The economy has seriously overheated with the expansion of credit and short-term attempts to prop it up will fail in the long run and make the inevitable crash worse.
I know I risk being slammed into the ground, but the economy and credit must be allowed to contract before any recovery can take place.
Pumping more credit-doesn't matter if it's a stock market bailout, an automaker bailout, a state government bailout-will just add fuel to the fire.
Americans need to be strongly encouraged to SAVE-not continue to spend, spend, spend into debt, max out their credit cards, or take out loans that they cannot afford to pay back.
This crunch is occurring because of out-of-control spending into debt.

If we had allowed a recession to take fold right upon the housing bubble bust (2006-07), we wouldn't have such a big mess as we do now.
 
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no offense, but that is a terrible plan.
Remember those tax rebates we all got not too long ago? That's basically all that your plan adds up to. And that tax rebate didn't do anything. It caused a short little bump then the economy went right back to where it was. Why? because all of the consumer goods you're saying Americans should buy are made in foreign countries. Giving people money and urging them to consume is...well, terrible.

If you want to create jobs, you'd have to repeal a lot of the corporate and business taxes (which are rampant and outrageous in this country) in order to encourage more middle/upper-middle class people to start new businesses.

If you are really dead-set on spending that $700B though, the best place to spend it ISNT some kind of tax rebate. Put that $700B into building infrastructure. We have a huge infrastructure problem in this country--our bridges are crumbling, our roads are filled with potholes, our old, piece-of-shit government buildings are inefficient resource wasters, and we need more power plants (preferably, clean power plants so that we can decommission some of the old gas-powered ones). We also need much better Mass Transit systems. Far too much human capital is wasted sitting in traffic. Building new infrastructure is a solid investment because it makes our country more conducive to business AND it creates lots of jobs.
 
Yeah, Right, this is just like the Bankruptcy Act of 2005... or should we say, the Debt Slavery Act of 2005.

It was touted as protecting good law abiding credit card USERS against the abusers.

What it did, was give government complete control of your financial life. It bailsout the Credit Card companies, banks AND the GOVERNMENT. If you owe the government... it will be taken out of your Social Security FUND!

This is how it all works... create jobs, HAH! Always a SPIN! Caveat Emptor!
 
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I thank you for you efforts in trying to develop a real solution because many people just like to automatically complain using very incoherent justifications. It is easy to just complain and point the finger, but the difficult part is developing a real solution taking into account all the intricacies.

Although, that seems like a bad plan. Spitting $700 billion between the states just more socialism.

"states can implement social and economic programs to help retrain their workers, offer capital and grants for businesses, jobs, education and tuition costs, and infrastructure." <<<That is all socialism.

"This plan will pay for itself because when consumers spend money, they pay sales tax, gas tax, and other taxes" <<<taxes are a disincentive and does not help economic growth.


There is a correlation between business growth and job growth.


I hope more people try to offer real alternative solutions, whilst being very specific with their supporting arguments using sound logic to be able to withstand criticism.
 
Start over

Prosperity is not built on borrowing and spending (the basis for your plan). That is what got us into this mess. Prosperity is built with saving and investing. You need to go back to the drawing board with that simple truth in mind. Then you will realize that no "bailout" by any government at any level, no matter how it is administered, will fix our problem.

Nothing short of a complete revamp of monetary policy, reform of banking, and DRAMATIC reduction in government spending at all levels, will save us.
 
Whilst?

It's a done deal... forget any type of creative plan. SHEESH

If they(gov) truly wanted this crap over, they would let the banks fail, it will level off ALL the OVER INFLATED EVERYTHING... and any American, and I mean American TAXPAYERS, who lose REAL equity in their savings/CDs/MMs/etc... get a DIRECT BAILOUT for their liquid assets via the FDIC. much more efficient use of money and probability would cost MUCH less, thN BAILING OUT UNKNOWN TOXIC and WORTHLESS debt. That's the Penance... GREED, can pay for their FIAT/Pyramid schemes. Look at the whole picture, Government WANTS HIGH PRICES and REAL ESTATE, it's value is the basis for percentage in TAXES! Property Taxes/Sale Taxes/Federal Income Taxes


Not BAILING out... WHO KNOW'S WHO... WHO KNOWS HOW MUCH... BS

The FEDERAL RESERVE, TREASURY, and U.S. Government, DON'T WANT "real alternative plans" only there's, with an impression of they looked at every possible option. The government is taking every bad mortgage loan... TRILLIONS in DEBT!

Ignorance is BLISS :rolleyes:
 
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no offense, but that is a terrible plan.
Remember those tax rebates we all got not too long ago? That's basically all that your plan adds up to. And that tax rebate didn't do anything. It caused a short little bump then the economy went right back to where it was. Why? because all of the consumer goods you're saying Americans should buy are made in foreign countries. Giving people money and urging them to consume is...well, terrible.

If you want to create jobs, you'd have to repeal a lot of the corporate and business taxes (which are rampant and outrageous in this country) in order to encourage more middle/upper-middle class people to start new businesses.

If you are really dead-set on spending that $700B though, the best place to spend it ISNT some kind of tax rebate. Put that $700B into building infrastructure. We have a huge infrastructure problem in this country--our bridges are crumbling, our roads are filled with potholes, our old, piece-of-shit government buildings are inefficient resource wasters, and we need more power plants (preferably, clean power plants so that we can decommission some of the old gas-powered ones). We also need much better Mass Transit systems. Far too much human capital is wasted sitting in traffic. Building new infrastructure is a solid investment because it makes our country more conducive to business AND it creates lots of jobs.

That's what the plan was -- it puts money into INFRASTRUCTURE. If you give the money to the States, they can spend it on construction and infrastructure jobs.
 
JBA, you will not convince us. The people that are on these forums believe in the free market and not the government. We also believe not spending beyond our means. I might ask you where in the heck are you going to get 700 billion dollars from? Don't waste your time trying to convince people on rpforums to support socialism. It won't work!
 
Prosperity is not built on borrowing and spending (the basis for your plan). That is what got us into this mess. Prosperity is built with saving and investing. You need to go back to the drawing board with that simple truth in mind. Then you will realize that no "bailout" by any government at any level, no matter how it is administered, will fix our problem.

Nothing short of a complete revamp of monetary policy, reform of banking, and DRAMATIC reduction in government spending at all levels, will save us.

I totally agree with you. The only problem is Congress isn't logical or reasonable; we don't have the option of doing the right thing and JUST NOT DOING ANY BAILOUT AT ALL. If the $700 Billion is going to pass either way and you have the option of A) Buying up totally worthless paper and inflating anyway by giving Wall Street all the money or B) Using that $700 Billion (that is going to be passed regardless) to fix our infrastructure and encourage saving (b/c you can't save when you don't have a job), then option B would be the best choice, given the circumstances. Also, you can't save and invest if you don't have any money. If the bailout happens anyway, I'd at least want to have a job because even if the dollar devalues to 1/10 of what it's worth today, it's better to have something to buy yourself food with rather than nothing at all. Don't you agree?

I think a lot of people misunderstood me. My plan isn't a socialist alternative to Ron Paul's wisdom. Ron Paul is right, we shouldn't do anything and just let the fake assets / malinvestments drain out of the system. BUT, no one in Congress will listen and IF THEY'RE GOING TO PASS THE BAILOUT ANYWAY, my alternative actually gives us back something for all the debt that's being piled on our backs rather than nothing at all.

Basically what I'm saying if you have the option of taking $100 and setting it on fire (basically what the bailout will do) or taking that $100 and at least using it to buy some materials to rebuild a bridge / infrastructure that is about to collapse. You're going to lose that $100 anyway, why not do something useful with it rather than just burn it?

An economy in general:

Person A spends $5 and buys something at Store 1.
Store 1 employs Person B and gives him a paycheck.
Person B takes $5 from his paycheck and buys something from Store 2.
Store 2 employs Person A and he gets paid back with that $5.

Basically the economy is a big circle, and as the money changes hands, you're trading for a bunch of stuff, between all the people that temporarily hold onto the money.

If/when Congress does the bailout for Wall Street as written:

Person A gets nailed on income tax and doesn't shop at Store 1.
Store 1 applies for a loan but interest is ridiculously high and they lay off Person B.
Person B doesn't have a paycheck so he doesn't shop at Store 2.
Store 2 applies for a loan and is rejected or defaults and goes out of business, so Person A gets laid off.
Person A and Person B are jobless and our country is still in massive debt / inflation and Goldman Sachs awards their CEO a $40 million dollar bonus.

The bailout actually just concentrates money in the hands of the rich and screws everyone else. That's why if it can't be stopped, it has to be changed to benefit the average American by at least putting food on the table rather than buying some guy a new private jet while leaving people on the street.
 
State government sucks almost as much

I'm not sure why you think State government would be a better choice. State government sucks almost as much as the Federal government. They will make jobs, alright, for existing government employees and their cronies. Or spend it on more police and more tasers to bust your balls with.
 
While I agree with you all that the plan sucks, I just remembered that the govt. does OWE the states from that highway fund (or whatever it's called). Just like that fund, I also remembered that not one red dime of the airport trust fund has found its way to the enhancing our airports. You know that tax you pay on each airline ticket. That too, has gone into a big, black hole, and it was meant to keep airports in good repair and for airport expansion. Now, the municipalities are funding the airports through muni bonds, because the Feds stole all the money.

GIVE the states the money that you owe us for the highways and the airports. That's not a bailout plan. That's just already stolen from us. Hint: we'll never see one penny from either of these two scams.
 
Oh, by the way

State and local governments will be in line for bailouts soon anyway.
 
Well, either way, if they pass the bailout, and it doesn't create any new jobs and destroys the middle class, there's going to be a HUGE spike in violence, crime, etc. and welcome to Martial Law. But I suppose, theoretically, if it does end up in Martial Law, many people who want freedom could just enlist in the military so they'd have access to the weapons and then just revolt against the tyranny from within using its own tanks / guns / bombs against it.
 
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