BAD NEWS: Ron Paul 3rd Party Rumors Confirmed to be FALSE - Wead

[rprprs]

Rand Paul will not get the GOP nomination EVER. He's not some secret trojan horse for the Liberty movement. Not to mention, that if Romney wins, (even if he's as bad as Obama) he will still be the GOP's nominee in 2016. If Romney loses, the Jeb Bush, Christie, Ryan or Rubio will be the GOP's nominee.

The RNC's rules just solidified any grassroots movement will NEVER infiltrate the RNC's agenda EVER AGAIN.

It's time we all looked towards the Libertarian party to progress this movement. We don't have to fight the libertarian leadership. They've invited us for Christ sake.

I'm not quite prepared to follow you to your conclusion just yet, but you are 100 percent correct about Rand's chances of ever being the GOP nominee.
In the process of making a decision as to how best to proceed from here, the prospect of Rand as the GOP nominee needs to be removed from the equation.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Rand Paul will not get the GOP nomination EVER. He's not some secret trojan horse for the Liberty movement. Not to mention, that if Romney wins, (even if he's as bad as Obama) he will still be the GOP's nominee in 2016. If Romney loses, the Jeb Bush, Christie, Ryan or Rubio will be the GOP's nominee.

Rand will get the nomination if we make it happen. I don't see Romney being a nominee again ever. Christie, Rubio, etc. are real threats...you're right about that.

The RNC's rules just solidified any grassroots movement will NEVER infiltrate the RNC's agenda EVER AGAIN.

It's time we all looked towards the Libertarian party to progress this movement. We don't have to fight the libertarian leadership. They've invited us for Christ sake.

The LP at the national level is worthless. It makes much more sense strategically to work within the GOP.

 

[thatpeculiarcat]

Jesus Christ, will you guys let it go? It isn't happening. Some of you are no better than the sheep we're trying so hard to wake from their slumber. LET IT GO. We lost. Stop following the man around like he's the only thing this movement has going for it. Figure out your own way to contribute to liberty.

+rep

 

[hrdman2luv]

Rand will get the nomination if we make it happen. I don't see Romney being a nominee again ever. Christie, Rubio, etc. are real threats...you're right about that.

We can't make it happen. The RNC has already solidified any chances of that happening by their rules change along with their money and influence with the media.

The LP at the national level is worthless. It makes much more sense strategically to work within the GOP.

Work with the GOP? The only way to work WITH the GOP, is to support their agenda. And if you support their agenda, then you're no better off than them. Which is why I can't support them.

 

[erowe1]

We can't make it happen. The RNC has already solidified any chances of that happening by their rules change along with their money and influence with the media.

Explain this. How does the rule change have any permanent effect?

 

[angelatc]

It's time we all looked towards the Libertarian party to progress this movement. We don't have to fight the libertarian leadership. They've invited us for Christ sake.

The only way for the LP to become viable is if they become a party in a similiar manner that the GOP did. Not only did they have a boatload of money, they had a popular former president who jumped on board and brought a lot of sitting elected officials with him.

And thanks to that effort, the Democrats won that election, so the gratification wasn't immediate in any sense of the word.

I am not an unreasonable person, but I do try to be pragmatic. If you can get 25 sitting elected federal politicians to switch to the LP, even if they caucus with the GOP, I'll join and get active in the GOP.

That's less than 10% of the House. It's not an unreasonable goal.

 

[asurfaholic]

Ref to thread title: how is this bad news? Sheesh the man is older than some folks in the rest home that i visit, and you guys want to watch him lose another election by hyping up a 3rd party run?

I seriously hope he sits back and takes it easy. Provide regular updates for anyone who wants to listen. If theres anything id suggest, he should get his own tv or radio show. I can only imagine how popular it would be.

 

[hrdman2luv]

Explain this. How does the rule change have any permanent effect?

Because the national delegates will now be chosen by the RNC leadership and the presumptive nominee.

The only way for the LP to become viable is if they become a party in a similiar manner that the GOP did. Not only did they have a boatload of money, they had a popular former president who jumped on board and brought a lot of sitting elected officials with him.

More members (to the LP) means more money. More money means more advertising. More advertising means more money and so on and so on.

Right now, all TRUE conservatives and disenfrachized democrats have a good reason to look for a 3rd party to support. The republican party is now the old "whig" party. Which fell to the republican party because of many of the same things the republican party are now guilty of. Lies, deceit, big government pro-war etc etc etc

And thanks to that effort, the Democrats won that election, so the gratification wasn't immediate in any sense of the word.

The establishment always wins. I don't see any difference between the republicans and democrats anymore. At least not the leadership of the parties. Only a handfull of politicians from either party go against the leaderships agenda. So when you say the democrats won, I don't see a difference.

 

[ProBlue33]

It seems without Ron Paul, the movement breaks up.
1)Group that thinks working with Rand Paul and the GOP is worth it long term.
2)Group that see's the GOP/RNC as hopeless now, move to third party.

Ron Paul could keep the group together with a Paul / Johnson ticket at least until the 2012 election was over then back to square 1 again.

 

[liveandletlive]

nail in the coffin, thank goodness cuz some folks need to move the hell on

 

[hrdman2luv]

I just posted this on my facebook

Republican Party, you did this to yourself, you managed to alienate such a huge percentage of the populace that you can't beat a guy who has alienated an almost equal percentage of the populace.

You just couldn't leave social issues alone. You just couldn't end the wars. You just couldn't actually prove to be fiscally responsible, or even understand the Fed's effect on the economy.

Don't blame us when you don't get elected.. blame yourselves.

It's from the Libertarian Party.

 

[FriedChicken]

People think that if Ron runs third that it will throw the election to Obama ... I'm beginning to think the opposite. Ron would take a huge chunk of youth and independents from Obama.

 

[angelatc]

The establishment always wins. I don't see any difference between the republicans and democrats anymore. At least not the leadership of the parties. Only a handfull of politicians from either party go against the leaderships agenda. So when you say the democrats won, I don't see a difference.

Oh stop with the "both parties are the same" drama. That's not what I was saying.

I mean simply that they won the general election, and the party we now know as the GOP lost, and took the Whigs down too. It took another few years for the Whig party to completely dissolve.

The new party was entirely a reactionary move, and the sudden momentum is what carried them to power. Plodding along, educating people, like the LP has done for umpteen years hasn't yielded any results.

Here's exactly what I want to happen with the LP. You want the Republicans to jump ship and join the LP, destroying the GOP in the wake. I'm fine with that. But I have no interest in picking members off one at a time. Mathematically, it's a losing formula.

Like I said, get me 25 members of the Congress to join, and I'll start working with you. Otherwise, I have no more faith in the leadership of the LP than I do the RNC. Bad leadership comes in many different forms.

Until then, it's a pipe dream.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

Did he really? I personally don't like the idea that Rand gets the batten automatically simply because his name ends in "Paul."

If Rand Paul turns out to be more like his dad, the Republican establishment will do to Rand as done to Ron.

If Rand Paul turns out to be more like a big govt spending neocon, I hope many on RPF would not support him.

Listen, the GOP is a dying party demographically at the national level. Pat Buchanan breaks it down for you. It is going to be practically impossible for an "R" to win the Presidency in the near future.

So if it's Rand or whomever taking the batten, they must go Indy. It's where the people are heading as they buck both parties. In order to win, one must be able to see the future and strategize around reality.

The Kennedy's handed off the battan as well.

 

[specsaregood]

I am not an unreasonable person, but I do try to be pragmatic. If you can get 25 sitting elected federal politicians to switch to the LP, even if they caucus with the GOP, I'll join and get active in the GOP.

So, basically convince 25 elected officials to voluntarily give up their job come the next election?

Also, I dont get that. If we get 25 officials to leave the GOP, it will convince you to join and get active in the GOP? What sense does that make?

 

[Krzysztof Lesiak]

People who think he's going to run 3rd party at this point are idiots. Seriously, he has said time and time again he won't do it and it would be extremely impractical anyway because he wouldn't be able to make it on the ballot in most states at this point.

 

[angelatc]

So, basically convince 25 elected officials to voluntarily give up their job come the next election?

Also, I dont get that. If we get 25 officials to leave the GOP, it will convince you to join and get active in the GOP? What sense does that make?

I am telling you that if the LP can attract a candidate dynamic enough to convince sitting politicians to join the movement, then I'll jump on board. But until that happens, it's a lost cause.

 

[specsaregood]

I am telling you that if the LP can attract a candidate dynamic enough to convince sitting politicians to join the movement, then I'll jump on board. But until that happens, it's a lost cause.

Off the top of my head, I think Palin might be able to pull that off.

 

[hrdman2luv]

Off the top of my head, I think Palin might be able to pull that off.

I doubt she would do it. But then again, I wouldn't be too surprized. Maybe, she needs a little coaxing. She's made a point about the way the delegates were cheated. But hasn't denounce the RNC for doing it.

 

[Fredom101]

Ron has handed the batten to Rand, we need to run with it.

So we should vote for Romney then?