Back in the wind.

anaconda · May 10, 2017

afwjam said:
The sportster is an abomination.

Practical. Why not have some good storage space?

afwjam · May 10, 2017

I guess a metric cruiser can have a top case if you must, please don't.

Heres half my trip to work on a DRZ 400(another great first bike)

trip up Mauna Kea on the KLR and round the backside

I mostly deal in dualport bikes these days, though I feel the itch for a Speed Triple.

Origanalist · May 10, 2017

Anti Federalist said:
Ok, so all this new bike talk has got me going...

Here's where my tastes are running right now:

The Victory "Eight Ball"...they had one of the these at the dealer, Victory line is being discontinued by Polaris, reduced for quick sale, new left over, to $8800.

The HD Softail "Slim" - MSRP $15000 - Downside, new design which means all computerized...

The classic HD softail, which is dated looking but I still love that pseudo chopper look. Gently used, non computerized, non emission model for around $5-6000

Or bite the bullet and undertake a new construction?

That eight ball looks to be a fine ride. Of course I would take those monkey bars off it...

Origanalist · May 10, 2017

anaconda said:
Real men ride Vespas:

Looks pretty gay too me.

tod evans · May 10, 2017

Origanalist said:
That eight ball looks to be a fine ride. Of course I would take those monkey bars off it...

$8800.00 for a 103.........

That's a steal...

S&S is getting almost that much for a long block.

Origanalist · May 10, 2017

tod evans said:
$8800.00 for a 103.........

That's a steal...

S&S is getting almost that much for a long block.

Yep, my thoughts exactly. And plenty of opportunity to 'personalize' it.

Anti Federalist · May 10, 2017

tod evans said:
$8800.00 for a 103.........

That's a steal...

S&S is getting almost that much for a long block.

I know, right?

They were blowing them out at what was probably below cost.

More than likely gone now...but I think I will ride over this afternoon and see.

Anti Federalist · May 10, 2017

afwjam said:
If it's going to be a Harley I would love a bobber, especially a classic flathead total loss, or a WLA. XRs are pretty cool too.

Tough

Oh yeah, that one speaks to me..."Rat Bike" vibe, no visible oil tank, no battery, Morris Magneto ignition.

Tough is right...tough as steel balls.

pcosmar · May 10, 2017

Anti Federalist said:
2017 Triumph Bonneville Bobber $12400 MSRP

https://www.cycletrader.com/dealers...Triumph-BONNEVILLE-BOBBER-PRE-ORDER-121464041

That is so me..
Change to single carb, and buck horn bars.

Anti Federalist · May 10, 2017

pcosmar said:
That is so me..
Change to single carb, and buck horn bars.

If you look close Pete, it looks to me like they are still, to this day, using Amal slide valve carbs.

It's a shame they swapped the gear/rear brake around to the "right" sides, and the water cooling I don't care for, but it's still a sweet ride.

afwjam · May 10, 2017

Anti Federalist said:
If you look close Pete, it looks to me like they are still, to this day, using Amal slide valve carbs.

It's a shame they swapped the gear/rear brake around to the "right" sides, and the water cooling I don't care for, but it's still a sweet ride.

no sir those "carbs" are throttle bodies, that monster twin is fuel injected. I rode one of the thruxtons a few month ago, great motor, wheelies were easy, I think they all have the 270 degree crank now, no more classic Bonnie sound.

afwjam · May 10, 2017

Anti Federalist said:
Oh yeah, that one speaks to me..."Rat Bike" vibe, no visible oil tank, no battery, Morris Magneto ignition.

Tough is right...tough as steel balls.

'You might get tired of the oil on your leg, but that never kept me off my bosses flathead any chance I got.

Anti Federalist · May 10, 2017

afwjam said:
no sir those "carbs" are throttle bodies, that monster twin is fuel injected. I rode one of the thruxtons a few month ago, great motor, wheelies were easy, I think they all have the 270 degree crank now, no more classic Bonnie sound.

Aha yeah I should have known that.

And they opposed the pistons?

ETA - Help me out here, it's been so long I'm trying to recall without Screwgling...

The British horizontal twins all used a parallel crank and piston configuration: meaning that both pistons traveled up and down at the same time, Norton, BSA, Triumph...but some fired at the same time, Norton comes to mind, but the Triumph's fired opposed, one piston would be the top of the exhaust stroke and the other at the top of the compression/ignition stroke.

Anti Federalist · May 10, 2017

TheCount said:
You couldn't pay me to take anything 150 or 200cc onto a California freeway.

If traffic is 100% stopped you'd be fine, but if it's flowing - especially off and on - you'd never ever keep up with traffic. You'd create a hazard.

Edit: Let me explain. That 200cc scooter, for example, has 15 hp and 11 ft/lb of torque. It weighs 297 pounds dry. Let's be generous and say that you, all your gear, whatever's in your top box, and all fluids in the bike combined weigh 203 pounds total. That puts the total weight at 500 pounds.

That's 33.3 pounds per horsepower. Even the very shittiest econobox of a car is a rocketship compared to that scooter.

The Smart Fortwo, which is a pile of garbage masquerading as a car, has 23.0 pounds per horsepower. It, one of the slowest cars you can buy, is 1/3rd more powerful than that scooter.

The Mitsubishi Mirage, which is evidently the very slowest car you can buy in the United States and takes 12.8 seconds to get from 0 to 60 mph has 29 lbs per horsepower and is therefore still more than 10% faster than that scooter.

Not only that, those cars have multiple gears with which to use that horsepower. You, with one gear from 0 to 60-whatever, will be the absolute slowest thing on the freeway. In my opinion, that is a dangerous situation for anyone on two wheels.

In contrast, a 300cc bike like the Ninja 300 or CB300F make 25-30 hp but weigh the same-ish. The Rebel 300 makes 25-ish hp but weighs a hundred pounds more. They're fully twice as fast as the scooter... and still considered 'too slow' for the freeway by some. Those bikes are about as fast as a normal car. 500cc bikes are in the 40-ish hp realm.

afwjam · May 10, 2017

Hold on a second... what you say may be true about a gy6 150cc clone, but a real 200 or 250 cc scoot will have no trouble out accelerating traffic. It's not a single speed, it's a continuously variable transmission which means it's always in the power band and it always goes, just like my snow machine. A good 250 scooter can hit 80 mph, no more acceleration left there, but it will pull hard off the line faster then a shitbox, same for the 200 although make the top speed 65-70 with no more acceleration. A 150 can't get past 55 or so but it will still pull harder then most shitboxes off the line. I've had one of those 650 silver wings up to 110+ I would say any 250-450 scooter would make an excellent highway cruiser and they would pull from traffic every time and they have plenty of storage for beer, a top case is fine. I could easily cruise 70 mph on the kymco people 250, I don't think the kymco with the 150+ cc gy6 would be worth much, though the classic air cooled 150 cc kymco motored people was a great machine for everything but highway. I've ridden two hours on the highway with a italjet torpedo 125 with the piaggio motor, it was doing 55-60 the whole time.

Now a italjet formula 125 is a twin cylinder two stroke and it will fly right up to 75...

afwjam · May 10, 2017

Anti Federalist said:
Aha yeah I should have known that.

And they opposed the pistons?

ETA - Help me out here, it's been so long I'm trying to recall without Screwgling...

The British horizontal twins all used a parallel crank and piston configuration: meaning that both pistons traveled up and down at the same time, Norton, BSA, Triumph...but some fired at the same time, Norton comes to mind, but the Triumph's fired opposed, one piston would be the top of the exhaust stroke and the other at the top of the compression/ignition stroke.

Yes you are right, classic bonnie is a 360 degree crank, sounded even and very rythmic. The first new older generation thruxton and scrambler introduced the 270 crank and now I believe all the 1200 motors are 270, more of a staccato sound. 270 brings the torque curve down in the rev range, better motor really, just don't sound right.

Anti Federalist · May 10, 2017

So...2006 HD Softail, 10,000 miles, last year with carb, asking $8200.

Anti Federalist · May 10, 2017

Natural Citizen said:
lol. Yeah, I know. I just been one seatin it too long, man. lolol.

A Charlie Papa would solve the problem.

tod evans · May 10, 2017

Anti Federalist said:
So...2006 HD Softail, 10,000 miles, last year with carb, asking $8200.

Get the Victory...

TheCount · May 10, 2017

Anti Federalist said:
If you look close Pete, it looks to me like they are still, to this day, using Amal slide valve carbs.

It's a twin throttle body system which has been intentionally shaped to look like carbs. They're all fuel injected.

Edit: Hadn't refreshed my page to see that it'd been mentioned already.

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