Back in the wind.

[Danke]

Was this part of the Bradley Manning dump?

No, just my solution to noisy bikes.

 

[anaconda]

I'm not an advocate for any of those you named, especially the 'big four'....

In my opinion they all four escalated the disposa society we all suffer under....

It's obvious you're pretty set on spending your money in that venue so I'll try and hold my tongue.....

No, no. I am quite intrigued and interested in what you have to say. Seriously. And I've flip-flopped more than Mitt Romney on what bike to get. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. The only thing you've said that I take some adverse issue with is the "style and class" motive. I don't think I care too much what others think about what I'm riding. But that may not be exactly what you were referring to.

 

[anaconda]

No, just my solution to noisy bikes.

You have my permission.

 

[afwjam]

I'm not an advocate for any of those you named, especially the 'big four'....

In my opinion they all four escalated the disposa society we all suffer under....

It's obvious you're pretty set on spending your money in that venue so I'll try and hold my tongue.....

kymco makes a great bike with high quality components, they made motors for Honda for many years. Sym and the others not so great...

 

[anaconda]

I'm not an advocate for any of those you named, especially the 'big four'....

In my opinion they all four escalated the disposa society we all suffer under....

It's obvious you're pretty set on spending your money in that venue so I'll try and hold my tongue.....

For example, it's my understanding that Harley Davidson are traditionally perpetually over-heated and broken down. So I'm wondering if their parts and systems are part of the "disposa?" The big four are known for reliability and performance. The opposite of disposa.

 

[afwjam]

Would love to build one of these.

Thats a two stroke Detroit right? Great motors.

 

[afwjam]

I'm thinking seriously about one of these I spotted on Craigslist in my area. 2007 black Kymco People S 200. $1250. 4400 miles. Carburetor. Forced air cooled. Kick start back up. Parts are insanely cheap. 256 lbs. Like the idea of the 16" wheels. Gutless but bulletproof GY6 based 163cc engine (even though they brand it a "200"). Might hit 60 MPH on a good day with no headwind. Slightly freeway legal for CA just in case I need an exit or two occasionally. Whaddya think for a first bike?

Kymco makes a quality piece of kit, especially for the money.

 

[anaconda]

kymco makes a great bike with high quality components, they made motors for Honda for many years. Sym and the others not so great...

People rave about the Sym HD 200. And the American company that imports and brands PGO's scooters is called Genuine headquartered in Chicago. The Genuine "Buddy" also has stellar reviews from their owners. They also import the Indian manufacturer LML's copy of the Piaggio PX, having formerly made Piaggio's PX scooters for the Indian market and manufactured parts for Piaggio (Vespa).

 

[Anti Federalist]

Thats a two stroke Detroit right? Great motors.

Yes, in this case a 4-53 Detroit (4 cylinders 53 cid per cylinder)

That seems to be the most common, since it will fit easily.

But I've seen 6-53s 6-92s and even an inline 6-71 installed.

 

[afwjam]

This reviewer (the second discussion in the video regarding the 2017 Honda Rebel 300) makes an interesting statement about carburetors vs. electronic fuel injection at 6:10 in the video. He says carbs "keep you wrenching instead of riding." Also numerous other comments in his monologue implying that a more technologically advanced machine can in many ways can provide for a more confidence inspiring, safer, smoother, less frustrating and distracting situation to devote all of one's focus on confidently learning how to ride (i.e. by utilizing EFI, ABS disc brakes, liquid cooling, ergonomics, smooth throttle response, etc.). BTW this is probably my top choice for a first bike, without any consideration for $$$. But I think if I take a motorcycle class or two over at City College of San Francisco (cheap) that carb maintenance, rebuilds, or replacements would likely be a no-brainer. But it sounds like carburetors will soon go the way of the dinosaurs. But no harm in learning both technologies, right?

Avoid ethonal(eats the float needle) and drain the carb when you store for more then a month. No problems. Fuel injection pretty much always works, biggest problem is usually the shitty fuel maps and electronic throttles some come with, nothing worse then the digital on off snatch of a poorly mapped fuel injection system. My triumphs have had fuel injection since the 90's and it's a thing of beauty. My 1991 k75s has fuel injection and abs, never had a problem and it always starts even after sitting for months and 50k odd miles.

 

[afwjam]

People rave about the Sym HD 200 and the American company that imports and brands PGO's scooters is called Genuine headquartered in Chicago. The Genuine "Buddy" also has stellar reviews from their owners.

I understand and I used to sell them and wrench on them. Have a kymco under the house I'm hopping up for a buddy who rides sym right now. Honda>Kymco>--- everyone else. All the components, suspension, brakes, fit and finish, general build quality and ride quality is superior on the kymco. For the price kymco has no competition. The sym is better then china, the cheaper Taiwan brands are getting better, kymco even seems to be getting worse, but still no comparison.

 

[afwjam]

Yes, in this case a 4-53 Detroit (4 cylinders 53 cid per cylinder)

That seems to be the most common, since it will fit easily.

But I've seen 6-53s 6-92s and even an inline 6-71 installed.

There's a reason the army still runs the two strokes....

 

[anaconda]

Avoid ethonal(eats the float needle)

Unfortunately not an option here in The Peoples' Republic of Kalifornia.

 

[Anti Federalist]

There's a reason the army still runs the two strokes....

Railroads and marine service still use the two stroke EMDs as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_710

 

[Anti Federalist]

Unfortunately not an option here in The Peoples' Republic of Kalifornia.

He made a good point...any small foreign engine, especially one not made by the "big four" is susceptible to ethanol damage.

Use a high quality additive to mitigate damage to tanks, lines, carbs, injectors and so on.

Especially if it's a two stroker.

 

[afwjam]

Unfortunately not an option here in The Peoples' Republic of Kalifornia.

What do they sell down by the recreational docks? Ethonal free can be stored for a while.

 

[tod evans]

What do they sell down by the recreational docks? Ethonal free can be stored for a while.

Avgas is an option too.

 

[afwjam]

Avgas is an option too.

'Especially in a modern fuel injected bike, it makes more power.

 

[tod evans]

No, no. I am quite intrigued and interested in what you have to say. Seriously. And I've flip-flopped more than Mitt Romney on what bike to get. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. The only thing you've said that I take some adverse issue with is the "style and class" motive. I don't think I care too much what others think about what I'm riding. But that may not be exactly what you were referring to.

This is a good/great starter bike that will hold its value or appreciate, is easier to work on than the BMW I showed you earlier, is small enough to maneuver yet powerful enough to get you out of trouble.....The company is still in business and parts are available from the manufacturer as well as aftermarket....And it's classy

 

[tod evans]

'Especially in a modern fuel injected bike, it makes more power.

Or with 13-1