Bachmann Gets To Go To Tampa Thanks To Generous Paul Supporter

[speciallyblend]

We do need them. The majority of the sitting Minnesota legislators are old-guard types. Until we can convert or replace them, which will be a long process, we need the help of the other half of the party. We can't do everything on our own yet, especially given the MNGOP's sizable debt.

The real benefit is that MB is now fully aware that her party will no longer give her unquestioning support. She knows well what Paul stands for, and she now also knows that she ignores us to her peril. It's not certain at this point of course, but I suspect that her votes will tip toward liberty more often.

well played, i/we could of swept ron paul in our precinct but i played nice to some santorum alternates. Then at our cd1 we swept 100% for ron paul why would i play nice to santorum alt or delegates? Because that is exactly how i became a ron paul delegate back in 2008 Did i mention we swept cd1 in denver for Ron Paul woot , play the game, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl1O_Y8TD1U<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl1O_Y8TD1U">

 

[singe22]

Yep that is the game that was played on the "Pure" Tea Party. Now those people for the most part dont need your vote, they got special interest backing them to get reelected.

cheers!

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[TheGrinch]

This country has been compromising for the last 200+ years and that is one the reasons we are so far from where we should be in regards to freedom. NO MORE COMPROMISE.

No one is suggesting comprimising our ideals, so settle down already. All this is is a small concession for her to save face, and maybe just maybe to not have people like her fighting us every step of the way... We control the Minnesota GOP now, so let her have her delegate spot if they felt it was appropriate.

It's their decision to make after they took control and all the delegates, so stop hyperbolizing as if anyone is selling out or something, when they've done better than anyone... Sometimes you have to make a token concession or two (that have nothing to do with ideals) if you don't want to make more enemies than you've already got. It's conceding a minscule battle to help continue to win the war.

 

[puppetmaster]

well all this is being promoted as a we may get them to play on our side.....and that is a a slim chance I believe.
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I see that fact that is we had not conceded and won we would have a definite vote for RP. I always like a bird in hand vs two in a bush.
we got the job done here in NV and we did not compromise delegate positions.
There is more than one way to skin a cat I know but these delegate positions are so so very critical and cannot be squandered away on a whim

 

[Dogsoldier]

ok so we gave a delegate away?wtf is this?

 

[kahless]

I'll bet you one Klingon warship + a ceremonial batliff that she doesn't do that. As the Ferengi would say "there would be no profit" in that for her.

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[puppetmaster]

No one is suggesting comprimising our ideals, so settle down already. All this is is a small concession for her to save face, and maybe just maybe to not have people like her fighting us every step of the way... We control the Minnesota GOP now, so let her have her delegate spot if they felt it was appropriate.

It's their decision to make after they took control and all the delegates, so stop hyperbolizing as if anyone is selling out or something, when they've done better than anyone... Sometimes you have to make a token concession or two (that have nothing to do with ideals) if you don't want to make more enemies than you've already got. It's conceding a minscule battle to help continue to win the war.

Main Entry: compromise  [kom-pruh-mahyz] Show IPA
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: agreement, give-and-take
Synonyms: accommodation, accord, adjustment, arrangement, bargain, compact, composition, concession, contract, copout, covenant, deal, fifty-fifty, half and half, half measure, happy medium, mean, middle course, middle ground, pact, sellout, settlement, trade-off, understanding, win-win situation

Yes I understand it was their decision but one I do not agree with and do not recommend. We fought for it, Won it, now lets keep it.

 

[TheGrinch]

ok so we gave a delegate away?wtf is this?

They gave 1 delegate away, after they took all of them. That's their choice after what they were able to accomplish.

I'd imagine those who made this happen would not appreciate reading this thread where others are criticizing and nitpicking the great thing they accomplished. If any are reading this, I apologize for our peers who can't recognize that.

 

[TheGrinch]

Yes I understand it was their decision but one I do not agree with and do not recommend. We fought for it, Won it, now lets keep it.

They fought for it there to take them all. They have to live with consequences if they cause a big embarassment for Bachman and turns others against them, rather than being the bigger man like they were. I for one am extremely pleased that they relegated a former presidential candidate to begging for scraps, as we took the whole T-bone.

 

[Krzysztof Lesiak]

What the fuck, after how they treat us, we're just going to be generous to them and send this goddamn idiot and enemy of freedom to the convention when we could have had a RP guy? That's just dumb.

 

[Carlybee]

There are obviously two trains of thought on this and voicing an opinion on it does not negate the victory of the delegates. History will tell if there are regrets.

 

[puppetmaster]

They fought for it there to take them all. They have to live with consequences if they cause a big embarassment for Bachman and turns others against them, rather than being the bigger man like they were. I for one am extremely pleased that they relegated a former presidential candidate to begging for scraps, as we took the whole T-bone.

I am happy with the results but strive for perfection......

 

[TheGrinch]

After all that Dr. Paul has spoken about blowback, and some people really can't see why they'd make one small concession after they just took the whole pie... Clearly it's because they don't want to give it back to them by burning bridges. Rather, Bachman can now see that we can make life very difficult for her going forward, so she better take that olive branch.

This is not to expect that she'll become a friend of liberty, but this certainly won't embolden her as an enemy like she would have been if they really embarassed her and pissed of her supporters.

Seriously people, you don't make enemies in politics when you're in a position of power. You use your leverage, which is exactly what they're doing (and again, with a net positive of at least 12 delegates out of 13. Show your love for that!)

 

[TheGrinch]

I am happy with the results but strive for perfection......

And clearly they had their reasons (as was stated earlier in this thread, it's not even entirely clear if they would have succeeded in replacing her).... Obviously they did not take over the state GOP and all the delegate spots just to bow down to the establishment, so give them credit that they see what's going to be in their best interests to stay in power in their own state.

You might think that "no compromise" is most important, and perhaps in your state is the best strategy, I don't know, but what is obviously important is to not do things that can get in the way of us maintaining power (i.e., pissing off those who can make their lives as difficult as they now can theirs). You don't have to comprimise your ideals to use your leverage and show mercy to your opponents when they know you could crush them. It's called strategy and leverage.

Now if we get to a brokered convention and Dr. Paul loses by one vote, then we can point the finger a lot of different ways of how we could have gone different, but they're preparing for the mroe likely reality that we'll either have numbers or we won't, and absent the unlikely scenario that one delegate changes things, they're helping ensure they stay in power I'm sure. There's no other reason they would.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I, for one, do not approve or disapprove of what they did concerning Bachman, that was their call. I'm just glad they did what they did overall and say Thank You For All of Your Efforts !

 

[LKMN]

No one is suggesting comprimising our ideals, so settle down already. All this is is a small concession for her to save face, and maybe just maybe to not have people like her fighting us every step of the way... We control the Minnesota GOP now, so let her have her delegate spot if they felt it was appropriate.

It's their decision to make after they took control and all the delegates, so stop hyperbolizing as if anyone is selling out or something, when they've done better than anyone... Sometimes you have to make a token concession or two (that have nothing to do with ideals) if you don't want to make more enemies than you've already got. It's conceding a minscule battle to help continue to win the war.

+rep. You do NV YOUR way. We'll do MN OUR way. Afterall, it seems to be working out pretty well for us so far.

 

[TheTexan]

It is in the media's best interests for Romney to win. Period.

True, but the reason they marginalize Paul is not for the money. Maybe some in the media marginalize him for the money. Most just do it for free though.

 

[majormike]

As a Minnesota delegate I agreed with the decision. Yes we would have won on a second ballot but there was a lot gained. We need Michele to help Kurt Bills beat Amy in the Senate race. A touch of class will go along way.

 

[Bilgefisher]

I applaud the Minnesota folks for their decision. Many of the old guard view us as usurpers. This is a statement saying "we are here to improve the party, we are not here to slash and burn." Its also a powerful statement that we have the power to remove anyone. You have been warned. This olive branch may yield us many victories down the road.

 

[Matt Collins]

Maybe they can convince her voting for Ron Paul is what would be best for her career, given that Ron Paulians now run the MN GOP.

so can we primary her in two years if she continues her statist path?

Uh, her political existence is now completely dependent upon the Ron Paul supporters in Minnesota. There are already plans in the works to have someone run against her next time if her voting doesn't become 100% liberty between now and then.