Bachmann Gets To Go To Tampa Thanks To Generous Paul Supporter

[kuckfeynes]

Yeah I can't see any good coming out of this, unless MAYBE some backroom deal was made that IF we somehow get close to half the delegates, her influence could be of use to us. Because if her state party has been taken over, her back is against the wall one way or the other. Siding with us could potentially end up being in her own self-interest. Or if it looks like we are not going to come close to half, she can vote for Romney, stay in good graces with the outgoing establishment, and kiss her local influence goodbye. Personally I think it's a horrible gamble, but what's done is done...

 

[Carlybee]

Then we'll ditch her at a Waffle House in rural Indiana.

 

[NoOneButPaul]

I like the show of good faith on our part but Michelle Bachmann is one of those people that no good faith should be shown to.

She's a total moron, or a complete liar, either way she's a disgrace to our party.

 

[The Free Hornet]

I'll bet you one Klingon warship + a ceremonial batliff that she doesn't do that. As the Ferengi would say "there would be no profit" in that for her.

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[Carlybee]

I like the show of good faith on our part but Michelle Bachmann is one of those people that no good faith should be shown to.

She's a total moron, or a complete liar, either way she's a disgrace to our party.

Plus if she still has presidential ambitions she will butter the side of the bread most likely to support her in the future...which will be the ones who support getting rid of the islamo fascists because thats part of her meme now.

 

[puppetmaster]

I don't like this move.....no mercy, this is a war. This kind of feel good stuff is BS. I heard someone say it's the "Minnesota way"...... What the hell is that? This is a do or die situation folks, not play day we have to be aggressive and strong without mercy. Deals like this cannot happen at the convention but they will try. We won fair and square and they will only use this type of behavior against us.

 

[VBRonPaulFan]

I like the show of good faith on our part but Michelle Bachmann is one of those people that no good faith should be shown to.

She's a total moron, or a complete liar, either way she's a disgrace to our party.

+1. she's a political opportunist that could care less about fixing things and is much more concerned with wielding personal power via the government. she isn't to be trusted. This was stupid IMO, we need to show the establishment that they won't be rewarded in any way for the kind of shit that they pull.

 

[trey4sports]

Part of the plan is to take the Kurt Bills for Senate ECON 101 bus down to Tampa to show party unity. MB will hopefully be pressured into that trip. Then we'll ditch her at a Waffle House in rural Indiana.

bwahahaha that's good~!

 

[Mahkato]

We didn't GIVE her the spot. She may have won it anyway. Here's why: Up for grabs were 13 delegate spots (the other 27 had already been awarded at district conventions and to party leaders). Candidates needed 50%+1 to get a spot. If fewer than 13 people got 50%+1 on the first ballot, it would go to additional ballots. 12 of our people met that threshhold. MB and one of ours did not. Rather than going to a runoff against MB, he conceded the spot to her. He may have won against her, but that is far from certain.

 

[JohnM]

I don't like this move.....no mercy, this is a war. . . . This is a do or die situation folks, not play day we have to be aggressive and strong without mercy.

Yeah, it's war. But it is a particular kind of war. It's called politics.

And there are two classic texts. The old one has some merit, but the new one is often more useful.

 

[BrooklynZoo]

This is a good move not because it influences Bachmann in any way. but because it both shows goodwill to others in the party and makes it less likely that the RNC will try something silly to challenge the Minnesota delegate credentials as they are trying to do with other states. We have one of their Congresswomen and a confirmed senate candidate (Bills) as delegates.

 

[puppetmaster]

This is a good move not because it influences Bachmann in any way. but because it both shows goodwill to others in the party and makes it less likely that the RNC will try something silly to challenge the Minnesota delegate credentials as they are trying to do with other states. We have one of their Congresswomen and a confirmed senate candidate (Bills) as delegates.

any validation of this? less likely?......yea right they wont give it a second thought. They eat their own in politics.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Many among us still think we can gain favor by offering these types of things when we can, and that we need to work our way into the party and change it slowly, try to fit in, etc etc. They don't understand that the idea of liberty sickens these people and that they will never come around of their own accord. They'll take any bullets we offer them and shoot us in the back.

They won't even wait to shoot us in the back. They have no qualms with shooting us in the face.

 

[puppetmaster]

+1. she's a political opportunist that could care less about fixing things and is much more concerned with wielding personal power via the government. she isn't to be trusted. This was stupid IMO, we need to show the establishment that they won't be rewarded in any way for the kind of shit that they pull.

A IRS goon also folks.....gheesh how soon we forget

 

[singe22]

Lol goodwill. So when they are calling you crazy just because you choose to be aware of what the government is doing, your ok with that? The refoundation of Liberty needs to be solid, not with holes with upredictables.

If you choose to ignore the crap this woman has said about dr paul just a mere few months ago, her slander on Romney and then endorsing him you are a fool. You are the same fool that would fall for a gesture of a Romney/Paul ticket. Your willing to settle.

No one But Paul.

 

[puppetmaster]

We didn't GIVE her the spot. She may have won it anyway. Here's why: Up for grabs were 13 delegate spots (the other 27 had already been awarded at district conventions and to party leaders). Candidates needed 50%+1 to get a spot. If fewer than 13 people got 50%+1 on the first ballot, it would go to additional ballots. 12 of our people met that threshhold. MB and one of ours did not. Rather than going to a runoff against MB, he conceded the spot to her. He may have won against her, but that is far from certain.

so whats is your point? what is the real benefit...not a perceived benefit.
If we had not conceded and won then we would have a real benefit not some "maybe they will like us now" idea. We don't need to be liked by the party in fact I know we will never be liked by the party elite.

Some similar shit happened at the last national convention and did NOTHING for us I promise.

 

[Mahkato]

We don't need to be liked by the party in fact I know we will never be liked by the party elite.

We do need them. The majority of the sitting Minnesota legislators are old-guard types. Until we can convert or replace them, which will be a long process, we need the help of the other half of the party. We can't do everything on our own yet, especially given the MNGOP's sizable debt.

The real benefit is that MB is now fully aware that her party will no longer give her unquestioning support. She knows well what Paul stands for, and she now also knows that she ignores us to her peril. It's not certain at this point of course, but I suspect that her votes will tip toward liberty more often.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Sortof like a Frodo wanting to take Gollum along vs Samwise Gamgee decision.

 

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Yeah, it's war. But it is a particular kind of war. It's called politics.

And there are two classic texts. The old one has some merit, but the new one is often more useful.

cheers!

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[puppetmaster]

This country has been compromising for the last 200+ years and that is one the reasons we are so far from where we should be in regards to freedom. NO MORE COMPROMISE.