Ayn Rand Discussion #1 : Agnosticism

[Kludge]

Only around a third voted Yes... Sad. I guess some people are just afraid the Flying Spaghetti Monster will avenge their lack of detachment from reality...

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[rational thinker]

I come from the same place and while I wouldn't call myself an agnostic theist, I do recognize that there's something serious that we don't know and can't explain. Thus, I can't call myself an atheist and that's not out of ignorance or cowardliness, but because I recognize both the law of conservation and the fact that that law was once broken by something.

Do you believe (forget about knowing) in any deity?

 

[rational thinker]

Theocrat converted me ~ a week ago.... I'm now a theist/supernaturalist(?).

Something unbound by our scientific laws must exist for existence to... exist since matter cannot be created from nothing.

"But then, where did (insert deity here) come from?" He's unbound by our scientific laws, so it's possible for him to have always existed.

"That's retarded. Because you can't explain it, it's magic." I know absolutely that Evolution explains nothing of our origins' origins and that Scientology is a joke. I also know that supernaturalism is undeniable for our existence to exist. Thus, I know absolutely that magic exists, likely the result of some supernatural deity.


God may not exist, but something does... I'm now a agnostic theist.

But theism is belief in a god or some type of deity.

 

[Kludge]

But theism is belief in a god or some type of deity.

I'd imagine only a deity of intelligence could violate our scientific laws.

 

[amy31416]

Do you believe (forget about knowing) in any deity?

Nope. I'm an atheist in that sense.

 

[Theocrat]

Belief is Based on Knowledge

Do you believe (forget about knowing) in any deity?

Rational thinker, you have a wrong conception about what the nature of faith or belief is. Any faith or belief is based on knowledge of some kind; knowledge is "justified belief." As a Christian, I don't believe in God because I want to, despite the evidence. Rather, I believe in God because of what the evidence shows, whether it's the Bible or nature itself. I like to think, and I don't have to give up knowledge to have a belief in God. Therefore, I find your parenthetical comment that belief is without knowledge to be naive and ignorant. We all believe in something and/or someone not empirically observed or tested by our immediate senses. Belief is simply inescapable for any human being, whether they're a theist or an "atheist."

Here's a question for you: do you believe that George Washington existed? How do you know he did?