[Audio] Rand Paul on The Peter Schiff Show talking about endorsement

[Libertarian_Walrus]

I bet Alex Jones, and all the other knee-jerkers, feel really silly right now.

 

[trey4sports]

I bet Alex Jones, and all the other knee-jerkers, feel really silly right now.

Alex Jones lives in his own little sci-fi world. I'm sure he is rationalizing this as some sort of New World Order agenda as we speak.

 

[specsaregood]

I bet Alex Jones, and all the other knee-jerkers, feel really silly right now.

Alex Jones lives in his own little sci-fi world. I'm sure he is rationalizing this as some sort of New World Order agenda as we speak.

Guys, at this point there really is no need to provoke angry responses from other members on the forum. Thats all your comments serve to do.

 

[georgiaboy]

great interview, well worth the listen.

I'll never pull the lever for Romney regardless of who endorses him, simply because he's a big gov't RINO. When he loses, the blame for the loss will be the establishment and the GOP's for pushing another big gov't dem-lite.

It's interesting that Rand mentioned that supporting the nominee was something he agreed to back during his 2010 Senate campaign, before candidates announced or campaigning ever even started. Makes me realize even moreso that endorsement of the top of the ticket by sitting Senators and Congressmen, as well as ranking (pardon the pun) GOP office-holders, pretty much comes with the territory for most of them.

I'm also beginning to see how Rand's endorsement is not just a case of him getting used by the establishment. This is also very much a way for Rand to get political leverage, too, moving him further into the mainstream, allowing his legislation to get broader support, potentially opening pockets of a wider donor base, etc. I trust he'll be sticking to his voting and legislative agenda -- making this move will bring others on board with that agenda -- exactly what I've been hoping to see happen. If that's the case, then this endorsement will pay itself back manifold.

 

[tsai3904]

It's interesting that Rand mentioned that supporting the nominee was something he agreed to back during his 2010 Senate campaign, before candidates announced or campaigning ever even started.

Without listening to the interview again, I think he was talking about his Senate primary campaign. He pledged to support Trey Grayson if Trey won the primary.

 

[anaconda]

Funny how some people here act like Rand has 59 other like minded senators.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Rand Paul clearly has a different view than what Ron Paul set out to do from the start in 2007.Its a good sidestep for Rand in this interview to say that "we already lost" . Peter Schiff obviously sets Rand up with some fluffy questions and then supports Rand in saying it was all just "great fantasies"...hello our goal is not to compromise but change the party and we are ,and we don't need to give up our personal convictions. I completely disagree with Rands perspective/approach, he is seeing this more as a game of power rather than a pursuit of ideals.

to all you sports fans out there if your favorite baseball team or hockey team or football team or basketball team lost the championship does that mean you will support the team you hate the most in the league?ABSOLUTELY 0 sense.

Sorry Rand, and Schiff I believe Ron Paul was a good man and did the right thing in Congress.

 

[Butchie]

I was never dilusional, I actually had lost most faith in Ron winning (or wanting to win) quite awhile ago, but that's when I changed gears and said OK, a door was shut, let's open a window. I thought the delegate strategy and supporting people like Massie, Amash, etc was a great way to start to take over the party.

I also knew Rand had said he would endorse, and I knew he would do it, and I wasn't so against it, my ONLY issue with all of this is the way in which it was done, the timing of it, Benton telling us to be respectful when we were the one's being abused, knowing it was over but STILL ASKING FOR DONATIONS!!!!! - announcing on the Hannity show, saying Romney was for auditing the Fed when he's been clear time and again he is not. I wouldnt' mind a low-key endorsement after, or even AT Tampa, but not now, not on Hannity.

 

[anaconda]

I don't agree with Rand and Shiff that playing the I scratch you back if you'll scratch my back game in govt is the only option. Ron knows this and has taught us that ONLY a revolution will work.

Our back scratching ratio improves as we proceed with the Revolution and place more liberty people in office at the Federal, state, and local levels. Rand is only 1 of 100 but he is already doing a Herculean job of getting us a few actual votes and throwing monkey wrenches at the establishment's previous unfettered march toward tyranny. He is also single-handedly changing the national dialog every time he goes on CNN. Schiff is profoundly correct when he says Rand needs help in D.C.

 

[wizardwatson]

Schiff cut him off at perhaps the most important part of the interview before they cut to commercial.

Rand was saying that Ron is very respected by both sides in Congress. The reason is because Ron is RESPECTFUL to all people even though he disagrees.

He was about to say, before being cut off, that THE WAY WE'VE BEEN CALLING RAND NAMES AND BEING DISRESPECTFUL IS VERY ANTI-RON.

That really needs to be hammered on the forums. Not only are we being anti-Ron with all this name calling and traitor, neocon talk. We're doing it to his son.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Listen to the man. Does he sound like the evil backstabber that he is portrayed as by the opportunists?

Glad Schiff is one board with this.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

I strongly disagree with Rand that warmongers should be respected

 

[matt0611]

Schiff cut him off at perhaps the most important part of the interview before they cut to commercial.

Rand was saying that Ron is very respected by both sides in Congress. The reason is because Ron is RESPECTFUL to all people even though he disagrees.

He was about to say, before being cut off, that THE WAY WE'VE BEEN CALLING RAND NAMES AND BEING DISRESPECTFUL IS VERY ANTI-RON.

That really needs to be hammered on the forums. Not only are we being anti-Ron with all this name calling and traitor, neocon talk. We're doing it to his son.

Yup, that's a very good point. Ron never goes after people personally in that way.

 

[ShowMeLiberty]

Schiff cut him off at perhaps the most important part of the interview before they cut to commercial.

Rand was saying that Ron is very respected by both sides in Congress. The reason is because Ron is RESPECTFUL to all people even though he disagrees.

He was about to say, before being cut off, that THE WAY WE'VE BEEN CALLING RAND NAMES AND BEING DISRESPECTFUL IS VERY ANTI-RON.

That really needs to be hammered on the forums. Not only are we being anti-Ron with all this name calling and traitor, neocon talk. We're doing it to his son.

Yes, and how do people think that makes Ron feel? I imagine it breaks his heart. What a way to repay a great man who has done so much good for so long.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Schiff cut him off at perhaps the most important part of the interview before they cut to commercial.

Rand was saying that Ron is very respected by both sides in Congress. The reason is because Ron is RESPECTFUL to all people even though he disagrees.

He was about to say, before being cut off, that THE WAY WE'VE BEEN CALLING RAND NAMES AND BEING DISRESPECTFUL IS VERY ANTI-RON.

That really needs to be hammered on the forums. Not only are we being anti-Ron with all this name calling and traitor, neocon talk. We're doing it to his son.

That is also a "collectivist" statement to say when there are hundreds of thousands of voters who are not calling names but are very possibly disgusted by the endorsement. The interview seemed to be pretty well scripted in how peter and rand kept doing the question/answer /manipulate the viewer gig. I hate radio shows likes this. Maybe what Peter Schiff should have really asked Rand is :
Will you continue to vote in favor of sanctions of any kind against countries?
Will you continue to vote in support of United Nations actions?
Will you continue to support Romneys foreign policy including NDAA ?

Obviously Rand did lie to people in the endorsement when he stated that he agrees with Romneys foreign policy (that is called flip flopping) and he also lied about Romneys support for auditing the fed. An endorsement is one thing, a few bold faced lies are something worse.

 

[wizardwatson]

It was a great interview by the way. I was never into Rand's campaign as I wasn't really on board with this whole Trojan horse, play nice to mold the platform strategy. But after seeing Rand do this and seeing the so called "movement" tar and feather him without taking a breath, and subsequently hearing this interview, I have the same respect for this man that I do Ron, and I'm sold on this being the way forward.

You see I've come to the conclusion that this "movement" is nothing without strategy. Go have a looksey for yourself. Where is C4L. What are the meetups doing. How much are we doing at RPF besides commenting on the news item of the day and calling Ron's son a traitor. Hows that Ron Paul facebook page doin? Jack squat that's what.

Point is, we have only ONE viable strategy that we can rally around. The time for rallying around an icon has passed. That one strategy is to work in transforming the GOP and getting our agenda in play. Ron and Rand have thrown all their chips into this strategy. That is the ship Ron Paul has built. As Rand says in the interview if we are expecting the "movement" to just say fuck you to the party then we are expecting the "movement" to trash all the capital Ron has built with his two campaign runs.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

It was a great interview by the way. I was never into Rand's campaign as I wasn't really on board with this whole Trojan horse, play nice to mold the platform strategy. But after seeing Rand do this and seeing the so called "movement" tar and feather him without taking a breath, and subsequently hearing this interview, I have the same respect for this man that I do Ron, and I'm sold on this being the way forward.

You see I've come to the conclusion that this "movement" is nothing without strategy. Go have a looksey for yourself. Where is C4L. What are the meetups doing. How much are we doing at RPF besides commenting on the news item of the day and calling Ron's son a traitor. Hows that Ron Paul facebook page doin? Jack squat that's what.

Point is, we have only ONE viable strategy that we can rally around. The time for rallying around an icon has passed. That one strategy is to work in transforming the GOP and getting our agenda in play. Ron and Rand have thrown all their chips into this strategy. That is the ship Ron Paul has built. As Rand says in the interview if we are expecting the "movement" to just say fuck you to the party then we are expecting the "movement" to trash all the capital Ron has built with his two campaign runs.

"Strategy" also has a different definition to different people. Rands idea of strategy is to flip flop, wow same thing Romney does big surprise it does enable a politician to win. Do we want a flip flop in office? Ask yourself that. My strategy is to have an honest person in office,someone not only honest to themselves but honest to the voters....but I guess that is not "Strategy" so some people would much rather call lying a strategy,and some even go further to calling it genius.Lying/being crafty/dishonest and two face are completely wrong. Rand did lie,there is no denying it when you hear him endorse Romney..and he also did flip flop on sanctions in the past.Not everyone who is disgusted about the endorsement of pre-emptive warfare/NDAA/TARP.Not everyone is name calling either, and some of the disenfranchised voters are just mad because of the dishonesty going on. I just quite frankly like to point out the obvious that someone is lying and its being justified by people around him. Justifying the end by the means.As for Rand saying that the delegates need to just do this or do that...sorry but thats not up to him to tell delegates what to do or how to act . I think certain people forget that they are just representatives,and the voice should come from the bottom up, not the top down. I am all for polite and civil action. Ron Paul has been civil, and still expresses his anger towards certain government actions and I tend to disagree completely with mr.schiff and rand paul on the subject of Ron Pauls accomplishments. Ron Paul is not a failure

 

[green73]

tube added to 2nd post

 

[wizardwatson]

That is also a "collectivist" statement to say when there are hundreds of thousands of voters who are not calling names but are very possibly disgusted by the endorsement. The interview seemed to be pretty well scripted in how peter and rand kept doing the question/answer /manipulate the viewer gig. I hate radio shows likes this. Maybe what Peter Schiff should have really asked Rand is :
Will you continue to vote in favor of sanctions of any kind against countries?
Will you continue to vote in support of United Nations actions?
Will you continue to support Romneys foreign policy including NDAA ?

Obviously Rand did lie to people in the endorsement when he stated that he agrees with Romneys foreign policy (that is called flip flopping) and he also lied about Romneys support for auditing the fed. An endorsement is one thing, a few bold faced lies are something worse.

Yeah, I get that. He lied perhaps. I watched the Hannity interview and I heard him say the things about Romney supporting Audit the Fed and the thing about Romney being on board with the idea that wars should be decided by Congress.

But in the light of everything I'VE seen so far they are little white lies, like when Forrest Gump did the ping pong paddle commercial to buy his shrimping boat, what did it really hurt?

In fact I've posted in multiple places on this board concerning Rand's decision that he's made himself a hard sell to the movement now. I said either he's pro-establishment and thinks we should really endorse Romney or he's a liar, either way the "movement" can fault him.

But I've since come to the conclusion that the "movement" is largely idealized in people's heads. People have burned Ron Paul's platform into their heads and are thinking in collectivist terms about themselves. Rand has betrayed "us", Rand has hurt the "movement".

To me though the real movement, or any movement for that matter is a consensus on strategy for achieving the objectives of the movement. The only real consensus the movement has on strategy is the "work inside the GOP" option. That to me is the substance of the movement, and from that angle Rand is not only part of the movement he is a pioneer.

 

[wizardwatson]

"Strategy" also has a different definition to different people. Rands idea of strategy is to flip flop, wow same thing Romney does big surprise it does enable a politician to win. Do we want a flip flop in office? Ask yourself that. My strategy is to have an honest person in office,someone not only honest to themselves but honest to the voters....but I guess that is not "Strategy" so some people would much rather call lying a strategy,and some even go further to calling it genius.Lying/being crafty/dishonest and two face are completely wrong. Rand did lie,there is no denying it when you hear him endorse Romney..and he also did flip flop on sanctions in the past.Not everyone who is disgusted about the endorsement of pre-emptive warfare/NDAA/TARP.Not everyone is name calling either, and some of the disenfranchised voters are just mad because of the dishonesty going on. I just quite frankly like to point out the obvious that someone is lying and its being justified by people around him. Justifying the end by the means.As for Rand saying that the delegates need to just do this or do that...sorry but thats not up to him to tell delegates what to do or how to act . I think certain people forget that they are just representatives,and the voice should come from the bottom up, not the top down. I am all for polite and civil action. Ron Paul has been civil, and still expresses his anger towards certain government actions and I tend to disagree completely with mr.schiff and rand paul on the subject of Ron Pauls accomplishments. Ron Paul is not a failure

Yes, everyone's butthurt because Rand is playing politics.

But you say your "strategy" is to have purity and principle and all that, no endorsement of neocons, no flip-flopping, etc. But do we have a "consensus" on the purist strategy? Didn't work out great for Ron. The strategic consensus within the movement is around Rand's strategy. We can argue whether that consensus is X % of the "whole" movement, whatever that is, as it's largely amorphous and unbounded, but ultimately there is no counter-strategy within the movement that has any kind of consensus.

This is the boat we have built to carry us across the river. Could a better boat be built? Sure! Is there another boat though? Where's the other great idea? We don't have one that has a consensus is my opinion.

Anyway, we can discuss Rand's ideological deficiencies all day but after Tampa going forward when the dust clears my money is on Rand's strategy dominating what's left of the liberty movement, because there simply isn't another viable strategy out there.