[Audio] Rand Paul on The Peter Schiff Show talking about endorsement

[TheGrinch]

I did, in fact, listen to the interview, and I implore you to not insult me any further with this remark. We simply have a disagreement on the tactics Rand is employing…

My apologies for being rude. It's just been a long couple days with people not even trying to realize what's gonig on here. I'm fine with disagreement, but the disagreement with Rand has not been very civil with the "traitor" comments, so forgive me for getting defensive.

As for taking over the republican party without being civil in our disagreements, ask our delegates how well that works. The party will shun you if they see you as "taking over" rather than reforming the party.

A man is judged by the principles he fights for and his voting record, which is what we should continue to monitor when it comes to Rand... He should not be judged by being civil with those who he disagrees with. That is a necessary step to even getting his foot into the door to fight for our ideals... If you had a club, you would not take kindly to someone who says, "I hate your freaking guts and oppose everything you all do. Can I join?". Sounds alot nicer if you say "I want to bring back our party to the ideals it professes". Sounds a lot more friendly doesn't it?

You cannot gain foothold in a party to change it, by painting yourself as an outsider. It's really that simple.

 

[CaptUSA]

I did, in fact, listen to the interview, and I implore you to not insult me any further with this remark. We simply have a disagreement on the tactics Rand is employing…

Ok, it seems like we're getting somewhere... You're right. Each person is going to have a different idea about which type of tactics should be utilized. One of the things that makes liberty great! But we shouldn't ostracize a member of our own movement because we don't like his tactics. If you don't like his tactics, use different ones.

But damn, just appreciate that someone is working hard to restore liberty using the tactics he finds most reasonable.

The Libertarian party always fights over tactics and they never move anywhere. A little practicing of what we preach could go a long way. To each his own.

 

[twomp]

Some bylaws might state that they must support the GOP nominee. If there was a 3rd option of say nothing, I would go with that option. Now your turn. If there were only those two options I mentioned, what would you do (for the third time)?

See that question actually has me in a bind. IF and only IF that was my only 2 choices, I would have to lean towards getting fired out of my disgust with the GOP. I feel like this is high school tactics. I remember an incident in high school (not that long ago lol) where I was hanging out with some folks and they wanted to have a "five finger picnic". Basically it was a picnic based on what we could steal from the grocery store. I was told that I "couldn't be trusted" unless I stole something. I wish I could tell you that I'm a great saint that said no but that isn't true. I was about to go through with it but my uncle just happened to appear in the same shopping plaza and asked me to help him carry some stuff to the truck.

I just went home with him afterwards and I was spared that decision. Definitely a character flaw of mine but I can tell you I have never stolen a thing since that day and I am definitely leaning towards getting fired rather then "playing along to get along". I hope to never be in a party or a chairmanship that would force me to do something I don't agree with.

 

[fletcher]

The show is always available for download on the schiff radio site a few hours after it is over. http://schiffradio.com/ Should be up in about an hour.

 

[Sola_Fide]

The show is always available for download on the schiff radio site a few hours after it is over. http://schiffradio.com/ Should be up in about an hour.

Thanks.

 

[jct74]

Audio

download mp3 here:
http://fetch.noxsolutions.com/schiff/audio/RandPaul_061212.mp3

 

[Sola_Fide]

download mp3 here:
http://fetch.noxsolutions.com/schiff/audio/RandPaul_061212.mp3

+rep

 

[brooks009]

This interview clears things up for me. Everyone on the forums should listen to this interview. Rand did what he needed to do to move forward(to liberty).

 

[qh4dotcom]

I can reluctantly accept the fact that Rand had to make the endorsement...but why did he have to endorse Romney's foreign policy? I doubt that he believes war is a last resort for a warmonger like Romney...and why did he say he was going to campaign for Romney?

 

[jj-]

I listened to the Peter Schiff show yesterday. He defended Rand consistently. He didn't attack Rand at all. If you want to listen to that, get yesterday's show and go to 42:42.

 

[Brent H]

Sorry, but Rand lied to the public when he said that Romney endorsed the idea of auditing the Fed. The exact opposite is true -- Romney explicitly stated that he is opposed to an audit. Rand knew he was lying when he was lying, and I know he was lying.

"LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE"

 

[TheGrinch]

I can reluctantly accept the fact that Rand had to make the endorsement...but why did he have to endorse Romney's foreign policy? I doubt that he believes war is a last resort for a warmonger like Romney...and why did he say he was going to campaign for Romney?

Hard to say, but IMO, this along with us changing the platform, is to force Romney's hand, so it makes him look like even more of a hypocrite if he flip-flops on the platform he's getting endorsed and nominated on. Putting the ball in his court... May be a bit naive that it will actually change the actions of Romney and the banksters, but he did talk to him in private (and Ron with Bernanke), so maybe they do have hopes of getting Romney to budge on some things, who knows... There are things going on behind the scenes that we may never know about, but I trust Ron, and he signed off on Rand needing to do this.

You know how people here have said that compromise only leads to more compromises... Well, that may be even more true for the establishment, that the more you get them to concede for our growing support, then we begin to gain these same precedents that they used to take away our liberty. Once we start forcing them to make concessions, while all the while gaining republican voter support that have really only held back because of the stigmas the media has attached to his dad over the years (I know a few who actually like Rand and not Ron so much for this reason), then I'd say we stand to make real gains, rather than be stuck in obscurity that they can choose not to pay attention to. We're not far from being at the point to where we can't be ignored anymore.

It makes it even easier that their BS is easy to cut through because we all know it's BS. Remember that we're coming in with a rock that they gotta try to break: the Constitution and Liberty.

 

[matt0611]

I can reluctantly accept the fact that Rand had to make the endorsement...but why did he have to endorse Romney's foreign policy? I doubt that he believes war is a last resort for a warmonger like Romney...and why did he say he was going to campaign for Romney?

Just to be clear, Rand never said "I endorse Romney's foreign policy". Rand said that after meeting with Romney he said Romney seemed like he will be a cautious command and chief, and agreed with Rand about the power to declare war coming from the congress. It was a bit more nuanced than you make it seem.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Rand says he discussed it with his father beforehand.

I tried to tell people he is doing what his dad has groomed him to do and he gets the ok from his dad first. But I'm a "conspiracy theorist".

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Well, there you go... If he didn't support the candidate, then it'd hurt us fighting the fights we can win in Tampa, and the door would close on support for bills he's working on like auditing the fed and industrial hemp.

Everyone needs to listen to this... Whether you agree or disagree, there was very much a good reason that he and his father made this decision. Since 2010, they've been holding it against him that his dad didn't support the nominee, and so they weren't going to let them do the same to Rand, to paint him as an outcast.

Plain and simple, this is a small concession you have to make to work within the party and win fights we can win.

This.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I support Rand. He had his reasons (one of which was a promise that he would support the GOP nominee), and there's no doubt that he consulted with Ron. The timing is a little questionable, but once again, he probably had a reason for it, and it doesn't change a whole lot in the big scheme of things.

(And for those who are holding out against long odds that Ron will somehow become the nominee through a miracle at the Convention, remember that Rand has promised to support the GOP nominee. If that becomes Ron, I'll bet that Rand will be one of the first to announce that he is supporting the "new" nominee, per his promise.)

 

[Sola_Fide]

I can reluctantly accept the fact that Rand had to make the endorsement...but why did he have to endorse Romney's foreign policy? I doubt that he believes war is a last resort for a warmonger like Romney...and why did he say he was going to campaign for Romney?

He specifically said in this interview that his endorsement was not an endorsement of the areas of disagreement. Rand said this endorsement won't change the way he votes. If Romney or Obama is president, he would work with either one when they agree with the Liberty position on things.

 

[febo]

Rand is a compromiser, Ron isn't, that's clear.
Rand you be Rand, and PLEASE you and those on Ron's campaign like you LET RON BE RON

I don't agree with Rand and Shiff that playing the I scratch you back if you'll scratch my back game in govt is the only option. Ron knows this and has taught us that ONLY a revolution will work.

 

[matt0611]

Rand is a compromiser, Ron isn't, that's clear.
Rand you be Rand, and PLEASE you and those on Ron's campaign like you LET RON BE RON

Do you think Romney will be better than Obama? Ron has stated that he thinks that numerous times.

Ron has also voted for Newt for speaker and Boehner for speaker. Ron also endorsed Ted Cruz who supports preemptive war with Iran. And more...

Is Ron a compromiser too?

 

[trey4sports]

good interview. Rand has set many things straight in that interview.