Atheist, RP and his "notion of a rigid separation" statement.

[rpf2008]

Come on guys. With all the bullshit going on in our world right now this is pressing issue? Some meaningless tripe on the back of a worthless peice of paper? (a) Whats next? Tear down all the Crosses on the top of churches in plain public view? How about we rip those funny hats off the heads of Jews during Yon Kippur, or however the hell you spell it. No one is forcing you to belive in anything. It's not like anyone has a clue as to what the hell they are talking about, aetheist or otherwise. No-one has ever proven the existence of a creator, and no-one has ever proven the absence of a creator either. Your free to be an aethiest, just as your free to take communion.

I don't get the all out assualt of religion. (b) My neighbor was told by the city to take down his "baby in the manger display" last year becuase the city didn't like the fact that it was in plain view. Of course he didn't, he sued, and he won. (c) I just don't get the rabid hate by alot of aethiests I know. It's like they take offense to everything. If I was a christian that gets grilled by aethieists, and had to put up with shit like "your god is a fairy tale" I imagine I'd bitch slap a couple myself. Love thy neighbor be damned. Anyway.....

Take it off the dollar bill, I don't care. I don't feel sorry for you either. I don't care that you feel "left out". (d) I'll mock this issue forever. It's stupid. Pointless, and all it does is piss everyone off. The next thing you know Someone is going to start posting wiki articles to prove some kind of a point. "hey god exists!" "hey, god is fake!", "don't push your beliefs on me man!" "I have a right to worship!" Like a third grade shouting match at a school for the deaf.

This isn't about the people attacking the church, it's about the government using tax dollars and government buildings to push religion.

(a) Your misunderstanding of the issue is enormous. Have you read _any_ of my post ? People like you really get my goat. I've spent hours composing well thought out post clearly stating what I believe and you come in here having not read a single word of that apparently and say, "Whats next? Tear down all the Crosses on the top of churches in plain public view?" No one in this entire thread has said _anything_ which would lead you to believe that's what we want. Me and other atheist have clearly said we don't care what you do with your private property !

(b) good for them, I support their right to do what they want with private property

(c) my passion comes the fact that it's not the governments jobs to push Christianity. Some Christians push their beliefs on the rest of us using taxpayers resources then when we say STOP they go "oh god why are you attack religion, why are you attacking god, why do you hate jesus" and that's a total distortion of the issue.

If you don't respect this issue then you don't respect the constitution. And if you don't respect the constitution and peoples right in America to not have religion forced down their throat then I don't respect you. Furthermore if you were in a room with the founding fathers you would stand alone in the idea that this issue is "stupid" and "pointless".​

(d) Keep on doing this, it reinforces the idea that you have no understanding of the situation what so ever.

You are being lied to ! You are being told religion is being assaulted , this is not true ! No one is closing churches ! No one is tearing down crosses off of churches ! FOR GODS SAKE our government gives churches a tax break !

It's only through heavy propaganda that people come to believe that religion is under "heavy attack" in America. If by "heavy attack" you mean "People don't want to pay the government to spread the word of Jesus" then yes, you are under heavy attack.

 

[rpf2008]

For example, why should an organization like the Boy Scouts (which as far as I'm aware is private and doesn't receive federal funds) be forced to remove their god from their program?

Who has force the BSA to remove god from their program ? People were mad because of their discrimination against certain types of people but the BSA hasn't been forced to remove god from anything.

Search for "god" at the BSA web site = 141 results.

Here is a snip from the results :

" Ask him how he is serving his religious institution, if he has one, or, if not, ask him how he satisfies his duty to God "

" Cub Scouting's 12 Core Values : Having inner strength and confidence based on our trust in God"

"Cub Scout Promise changed to add the line " to do my duty to God and my country. "

"As a Venturer, I promise to do my duty to God and help strengthen America, to help others, and to seek truth, fairness, "

The BSA doesn't seem to be having a god problem.

 

[aravoth]

This isn't about the people attacking the church, it's about the government using tax dollars and government buildings to push religion.

(a) Your misunderstanding of the issue is enormous. Have you read _any_ of my post ? People like you really get my goat. I've spent hours composing well thought out post clearly stating what I believe and you come in here having not read a single word of that apparently and say, "Whats next? Tear down all the Crosses on the top of churches in plain public view?" No one in this entire thread has said _anything_ which would lead you to believe that's what we want. Me and other atheist have clearly said we don't care what you do with your private property !

(b) good for them, I support their right to do what they want with private property

(c) my passion comes the fact that it's not the governments jobs to push Christianity. Some Christians push their beliefs on the rest of us using taxpayers resources then when we say STOP they go "oh god why are you attack religion, why are you attacking god, why do you hate jesus" and that's a total distortion of the issue.

If you don't respect this issue then you don't respect the constitution. And if you don't respect the constitution and peoples right in America to not have religion forced down their throat then I don't respect you. Furthermore if you were in a room with the founding fathers you would stand alone in the idea that this issue is "stupid" and "pointless".​

(d) Keep on doing this, it reinforces the idea that you have no understanding of the situation what so ever.

You are being lied to ! You are being told religion is being assaulted , this is not true ! No one is closing churches ! No one is tearing down crosses off of churches ! FOR GODS SAKE our government gives churches a tax break !

It's only through heavy propaganda that people come to believe that religion is under "heavy attack" in America. If by "heavy attack" you mean "People don't want to pay the government to spread the word of Jesus" then yes, you are under heavy attack.

Ya know, one of these days I'd like to sit down and chat with some of you guys. There are so many critical thinkers here.

 

[Atheist73]

Despite RP's personal views on christianity, RP is the best candidate for atheists and non-believers.