Assault weapon shopping list

[JP2010]

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/awguide.pdf

Thanks California!

 

[Chosen]

Does California have a budget identification guide? Spending and maintenence guide? Possibly with provisions on how to identify when illegal aliens from Mexico receive billions in benefits? I bet those are detailed as well.

I don't know why the folks in California (the 60% who can read) put up with this.

 

[akihabro]

I'm getting my AR-15!

 

[Chosen]

I'm getting my AR-15!

I am not familiar with the capacity laws there, but can you have high cap mags?

 

[agitator]

I own shotguns and handguns. Thinking of buying something like a .308

I know next to nothing about rifles, but that one seems popular.

Any ideas? AK-47, AR-15? Ammo? What price range should I expect and can you negotiate with a gun shop on price?

Just looking for something to protect my stuff (and home) if TSHF.

Thanks.

 

[ihsv]

AK-47. It's tough, it's rugged, it's reliable, it's cheap (well, it was before the rush).

For the price and what you get, I recommend a Romanian WASR-10/63 AK variant, though any others you are able to find should do nicely.

 

[akihabro]

I am not familiar with the capacity laws there, but can you have high cap mags?

Nothing over 10 rounds. Assault weapons so defined must have been lawfully possessed on or before December 31, 1999 and registered on or before December 31, 2000. Penal Code section 12276, subdivisions (e) and (f), reaffirmed by the Kasler v. Lockyer decision, make AK and AR-15 series weapons unlawful for sale after August 16, 2000, even if their assault weapon characteristics are removed. Persons owning these weapons on this date were required to register them with the DOJ on or before January 23, 2001.
It's illegal to own any high cap mags. Not sure if its legal if you owned them before the ban.

We had one of the most awesome bank robberies in North Hollywood in 1997. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXq9mNI-PQw
The police we under armed and their 9mm bullets were bouncing off the body armor the robbers had worn. Some police walked into a local gun store and were handed whatever was needed. SWAT team was doing P.T that morning, so that is who you see in shorts at the end of the video. One of my former bosses was LAPD and had friends in SWAT. Not too long after this various police agencies around the area decided to start carrying AR-15's
I'm sure this no doubt sealed the fate on owning assault weapons.

 

[Pericles]

Here is a website for serious shopping:

http://www.military.co.il/asg/Category_7.html

 

[john_anderson_ii]

Sorry Gents, I'm opting for the Robinson Arms XCR Modular Weapon System.

The 5.56 round is a sissy pin-prick round. No need to argue that point, but it's cheap, plentiful, crazy accurate and everywhere. The 7.62x39mm is a hard hitting Juggernaut round, but it's inaccurate, has no endurance, but is cheap and plentiful.

I opt for a rifle that can shoot both of these rounds, plus the 6.8 Remington special, as crappy as it is, as well as the supreme "combat" round, the 6.5mm Grendel. (Yes the 6.5mm Grendel is, in fact, the supreme "combat" round IMHO. It's just that awesome. I feel pity for the grunts who carry 5.56mm or 7.62x39mm into a fight against the 6.5mm Grendel. They'll find themselves out ranged, and out gunned in a hurry.)

We consumers no longer need to make a choice between point of aim, point of impact 5.56mm accuracy or the reliability of a weapon system that can handle 7.62 point of aim, guess of impact ammunition. The next generation of military clone, civilian legal rifles comes in a modular platform.

I put my order in last December and I'm just now finalizing the details, but this rifle is worth it.

The debate of AR clone VS Kalashnikov clone is over. Why not go for a modern rifle with very modern features that does both? It took a long time, but technology finally outstripped the AR and Kalashnikov at the same time.

 

[jkm1864]

This is the reason why I have a M1A, AR15, SKS, & GSG-5. I have many guns for many jobs. I would use my AR15 with a scope for accuracy but if I needed the punch I would use my .308 hands down. The .308 will go slam through a rifle plate where a .223 & 7.62X39 will be stopped.

 

[anotherone]

This is the reason why I have a M1A, AR15, SKS, & GSG-5. I have many guns for many jobs. I would use my AR15 with a scope for accuracy but if I needed the punch I would use my .308 hands down. The .308 will go slam through a rifle plate where a .223 & 7.62X39 will be stopped.

The .308 is a good round, but it won't go through all armor.

This guy claims the Dragon Skin can take a 7.62x54:

"Ive also firsthand witnessed during the push in Fallujha, a guy take a sniper shot from a Dragonuv (7.62x54) from a 7th story window at a much steeper angle than 20 degrees, it put him on his ***, but didnt penetrate at all."

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=2102380&postcount=44

 

[john_anderson_ii]

The .308 is a good round, but it won't go through all armor.

This guy claims the Dragon Skin can take a 7.62x54:

"Ive also firsthand witnessed during the push in Fallujha, a guy take a sniper shot from a Dragonuv (7.62x54) from a 7th story window at a much steeper angle than 20 degrees, it put him on his ***, but didnt penetrate at all."

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=2102380&postcount=44

It's very likely that dragon skin can. Basically anything that can take a 7.62x39mm at point blank can take a .308 at 100 meters or less since the .308 starts with more energy but loses it very quickly. The 6.5mm Grendel has more energy than a .308 at any range greater than 100m, simply because the Grendel starts with less energy, but has such a low drag coefficient that energy isn't lost quickly. Unlike any other modern "assault rifle" rounds the Grendel aims to preserve energy rather than require more of it. The 6.5mm Grendel is a 7.62x39mm round necked down to 6.5mm and topped with a 65g bullet which is still supersonic at 1000m. The 5.56 platform's max effective range on a point target is 500m, the 7.63x39mm is 300m, the Grendel is 1100m.

This is the reason why I have a M1A, AR15, SKS, & GSG-5. I have many guns for many jobs. I would use my AR15 with a scope for accuracy but if I needed the punch I would use my .308 hands down. The .308 will go slam through a rifle plate where a .223 & 7.62X39 will be stopped.

What I was driving at in my previous post was that the future holds one "mission adaptable" gun, one platform, that performs all these jobs. A modular design approach allows manufacturers to produce a "platform" which is comfortable, railed out to support "bolt on" accessories, and ultimately uniform in practice and use.

As a reloader, and one who is "up" on current ammunition specs, the .308 ball (7.62x51mm) round has the same chance at penetrating SAPI plates as does the 7.62x39mm. The only differential is the distance the round is fired from. Neither of these rounds will penetrate SAPI plates from any comfortable distance. The .308 is just as powerless as the 7.62x39mm when it comes to the penetration of SAPI armor.

There is, on the free market a brand new class of rifle which will let you choose how and when it used. This new class of rifle is modular in design, which allows the end user to choose the caliber, ammunition type and disposition of the weapon when used. You best bet is to roll with a multifunction rifle.

In the civilian market, unless you have some pre-formed steel penetrators, or a basement or cache full of "black tip" (Read NATO Armor Piercing {AP}) ammo, then heed this advice.

Armor piercing ammo, of any type can go for as much as $25.00 a round. You're best is to learn the reloading trade and make friends with those who know the swuagng trade. Learn how ammunition does what it does, and how "government only" ammunition accomplishes the goals it was designed for. After that, it's easy as pie, with the appropriate equipment and skillset to reverse engineer rounds rounds slated for "government-LEO ONLY", perfectly legal like, in your own garage, for pennies on the dollar.