Assault Weapon kills Oakland Police SWAT members

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"Assault Weapon" was the original term used in the reporting, and following is my e-mail to the "reporter:"

I am a U.S. Army veteran, former sworn California Peace Officer, and most importantly, I am an Armed Private Citizen.

Although I too am saddened by this tragic event, I also feel that it is incumbent upon reporters of the news, yourself included, to investigate and provide important details, and not simply parrot the "official" story pending investigation.

I am specifically concerned regarding the following excerpt from your article:

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Two more police officers were shot dead while trying to take the suspect into custody. Police said the two officers were shot inside the apartment with an assault weapon. A second weapon, which police did not identify, was used to shoot the motorcycle cops (We now know that it was a handgun).
...

I have heard, ad nauseaum, the mantra "pending investigation" as the perennial justification for withholding information from the public, and this case is no different, so I will provide you with the following inquiry, as well as an opportunity for you to fill-in the blanks as it were, in your reportive capacity.

What is an "assault weapon" and why is it so important to use the phrase, while not specifying the weapon used in the assault.

Personally, I have been assualted with fists, rocks, baseball bats, metal rods, knives and other sharp-edged objects, and even a ballpoint pen, all of which I would define as weapons, but what makes something an "assault weapon?"

Since the officers were shot, we can assume that the assailant used a firearm.

Was it a handgun, or a rifle? Was it a Glock, an AK-47, a shotgun or an AR-15?

As a law abiding citizen and gun owner, I hope you can understand my concern.

When vague, blanket terminology is flippantly utilized in the realm of mass-media word-smithing, a great injustice is rendered to the readership.

Let's be specific and perhaps we can all be enlightened.

Did Lovell Mixon use the world's most popular battle-rifle, the AK-47? Was it one of California's millions of legal rifles, such as the SKS, Mini-14, or M1A? Perhaps Mixon used the same type of "assault weapon" which is standard issue for our military and law enforcement; the AR-15?

It is past time to stop patronizing what remains of your readership, and start providing relevant details in your reporting.

If you can trust readers with specific information, and "hard-truths," then we can better trust you, but if you continue to withhold important information, those of us who want to know the truth will continue to look elsewhere for our "news."

Latest update, with "assault weapon" replaced by "assault rifle."
 
I too am very curious as to what type of weapon was used. IIRC, not even the 7.62x39 can penetrate the hard armor typically worn by SWAT teams. With proper shot placement, the murderer could have done the job with just about anything.
 
I heard he was just out of prison.

If it was illegally acquired, I don't care what kind of gun it was, more laws won't keep people from breaking them.
 
Is anyone really sure it was an ASSAULT WEAPON? And Why is ASSAULT WEAPON being mentioned specifically?
 
Is anyone really sure it was an ASSAULT WEAPON? And Why is ASSAULT WEAPON being mentioned specifically?
Actually everyone is sure that it was NOT an assault weapon. Assault weapon is a term that is often misused by anti-gun propaganda.
 
If the SWAT members were wearing Level 3 (not level 3A) that is good for up to intermediate rifle rounds. Level 3+ and Level 4 is good for .30-06/.308 AP rounds. The helmets are level 3A - which is not going to do squat against a solid rifle hit (full power) - however, there have been some instances of glancing from 7.62X39 on the helmets in the field. The bottom line is that there are several areas that can be critical hits. This is why in the armed forces, we are trained to use tactics above everything else - because armor is not always going to help you $.02
 
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The local news here in Cali (I'm not 2 hrs from Oakland) is staying true to form with the pandering to the masses. Just as the OP has stated channel 2 KTVU reports about how the suspect feared jail. Oh really, guess when you have two priors and are carrying illeagally while on parole thus breaking the law I would assume one should fear being put back in jail. This arrest would have made his third strike for sure so his fate was sealed when the suspect decided to break his parole. Decisions have consequences which carry rsponsibility some seem to learn this the hard way.

Waiting for Pelosi and Boxer to jump on this and ban guns nationwide because of one loser.
 
"Assault Weapon" was the original term used in the reporting, and following is my e-mail to the "reporter:"

I am a U.S. Army veteran, former sworn California Peace Officer, and most importantly, I am an Armed Private Citizen.

Although I too am saddened by this tragic event, I also feel that it is incumbent upon reporters of the news, yourself included, to investigate and provide important details, and not simply parrot the "official" story pending investigation.

I am specifically concerned regarding the following excerpt from your article:

...
Two more police officers were shot dead while trying to take the suspect into custody. Police said the two officers were shot inside the apartment with an assault weapon. A second weapon, which police did not identify, was used to shoot the motorcycle cops (We now know that it was a handgun).
...

I have heard, ad nauseaum, the mantra "pending investigation" as the perennial justification for withholding information from the public, and this case is no different, so I will provide you with the following inquiry, as well as an opportunity for you to fill-in the blanks as it were, in your reportive capacity.

What is an "assault weapon" and why is it so important to use the phrase, while not specifying the weapon used in the assault.

Personally, I have been assualted with fists, rocks, baseball bats, metal rods, knives and other sharp-edged objects, and even a ballpoint pen, all of which I would define as weapons, but what makes something an "assault weapon?"

Since the officers were shot, we can assume that the assailant used a firearm.

Was it a handgun, or a rifle? Was it a Glock, an AK-47, a shotgun or an AR-15?

As a law abiding citizen and gun owner, I hope you can understand my concern.

When vague, blanket terminology is flippantly utilized in the realm of mass-media word-smithing, a great injustice is rendered to the readership.

Let's be specific and perhaps we can all be enlightened.

Did Lovell Mixon use the world's most popular battle-rifle, the AK-47? Was it one of California's millions of legal rifles, such as the SKS, Mini-14, or M1A? Perhaps Mixon used the same type of "assault weapon" which is standard issue for our military and law enforcement; the AR-15?

It is past time to stop patronizing what remains of your readership, and start providing relevant details in your reporting.

If you can trust readers with specific information, and "hard-truths," then we can better trust you, but if you continue to withhold important information, those of us who want to know the truth will continue to look elsewhere for our "news."

Latest update, with "assault weapon" replaced by "assault rifle."

Great post!
 
I read somewhere that it was an SKS. Not exactly the first thing that comes to mind when you think "assault weapon".
 
The best possible gun control law IMO would be the same as Israel - everyone has an AR slung on their back :cool: Some joker decides to shoot at people ... 50 Citizens jack em up and that joker is DUN DONE! Gotta nip this crap in the bud - so criminals are too scared to commit these acts.
 
The best possible gun control law IMO would be the same as Israel - everyone has an AR slung on their back :cool: Some joker decides to shoot at people ... 50 Citizens jack em up and that joker is DUN DONE! Gotta nip this crap in the bud - so criminals are too scared to commit these acts.

Works for me, and it used to work for the United States as well, until the principle was abandoned in the 20th Century due to "progress".:rolleyes:
 
Works for me, and it used to work for the United States as well, until the principle was abandoned in the 20th Century due to "progress".:rolleyes:

yeah, i love when politicians and gun grabbers ask,"Do we want to return to the wild west days?"

uh, yes. murder rates were far lower then than today. just ask gary, detroit, d.c., etc.
 
yeah, i love when politicians and gun grabbers ask,"Do we want to return to the wild west days?"

uh, yes. murder rates were far lower then than today. just ask gary, detroit, d.c., etc.

Ditto, these people lack imagination.

We're trying to get Open Carry passed here and Texas. So you can imagine everyone is talking about the Wild West shoot outs and blood over flowing on the the streets. They gave us the same crap some 15 years ago with Concealed Carry. I haven't seen a Wild West shoot out yet involving a CHL holder. I believe we also saw a reduction in crimes rates as well.

The same thing with Heller vs DC and the DC hand gun ban. All you heard and still hear about is Wild West shoot outs :rolleyes:
 
yeah, i love when politicians and gun grabbers ask,"Do we want to return to the wild west days?"

uh, yes. murder rates were far lower then than today. just ask gary, detroit, d.c., etc.

I love living in the wild west. Love it. There was a drive-by shooting a while back. The perpetrators made the mistake of making a second pass. By then all the neighbors had gotten their safes open and the perpetrators left at high speed and their vehicle had a more-than-passing resemblance to Swiss cheese. True story--didn't get much press, though.
 
Assault Weapon kills Oakland Police SWAT members

Odd, I understood the story to say that Lovell Mixon killed the Police officers.
Why didn't they just arrest the gun if it committed a crime. :confused:
 
Assault Weapon kills Oakland Police SWAT members

Odd, I understood the story to say that Lovell Mixon killed the Police officers.
Why didn't they just arrest the gun if it committed a crime. :confused:

the 'assault weapon' was a gun? i thought it was a knife, bat, crowbar, etc.
 
Great letter! Best quote: "When vague, blanket terminology is flippantly utilized in the realm of mass-media word-smithing, a great injustice is rendered to the readership."

Of course, Hollywood has shown us that in the "wild west" there were countless gun fights all over the place- every day. And that becomes reality.
 
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