Ashli Babbitt was armed and dangerous

[TheTexan]

No way to tell if they are "relaxed and chill." That's just your spin. The cops on the other side of the barricade with Ashlii Babbitt and the deranged mob are NOT "relaxed and chilled." They're scared. But they stay at their post until SWAT is coming up the stairs. The crowd threatens them by saying "Other people have been hurt today and we don't want to see you get hurt." The entire deranged mob was trying to get through the barricade, but Ashlii Babbitt went through first and got shot. The shooting under those circumstances was justified.

I count at least 5 people in that corridor and they are either standing or walking.

They're not taking defensive postures. They don't have raised weapons.

They're just standing there, and walking.

"Afraid for their lives" I'm sure

 

[TheTexan]

Military honors are only supposed to be given for military operations. You're basically admitting this was a military operation. The shooting was justified.

Should have been a military operation, it's more of a shame that it wasn't

 

[jmdrake]

Are you saying now that the Breona Taylor was a justified killing?

Nope. She didn't get a warning and she wasn't doing anything illegal. Yet her killers weren't prosecuted. I'm telling you the standard for police getting away with shooting people is VERY low. If this had been a BLM riot and a BLM or Antifa protestor had done the EXACT same thing and been shot the people on the right would be justifying it and the people on the left would be calling it murder by cop.

Okay, so, charge her with those crimes

If she had obeyed common sense after breaking the law and not crawled through that window when other people heard the warning (meaning she probably did too) she would still be alive to be charged. They didn't whisper "He's got a gun." They yelled it.

Who hasn't?

And sometimes when you break the law at the wrong time you get shot. Breona Taylor wasn't breaking any laws and she got shot and the cops got away with it. You can use lethal force to protect yourself or others. I'm glad the multiple officers who arrested the 30+ people in the subway tunnels that day were able to do so without killing anybody. But in this context with a single cop at the barricade (halfway down the hall or almost out of the door doesn't count) a woman crawling through a smashed window of a barricaded door who has a violent armed mob behind her justifies deadly force especially when she did it after he revealed himself, showed his gun, and people on her side of the door yelled "He's got a gun."

Yes, and that undercuts your own argument that there was ample warning.

If they had expected to get shot, would they have still gone through? (First, or otherwise)

If Ashlii has been allowed to go through without getting shot then the deterrence factor of the gun would have dissipated. You just destroyed your own argument.

Clearly not.

No, the implication is, if she had been successful in getting through the window without being stopped, he would have gone in after her.

It was not necessary to kill her, to stop her.

It was necessary to shoot her for the deterrence of him having a gun to have meant anything.

 

[jmdrake]

I count at least 5 people in that corridor and they are either standing or walking.

You must be drinking while watching this then because there are at most 2 people in the corridor besides officer Byrd.

They're not taking defensive postures. They don't have raised weapons.

One was at the other end of the hall. The other was halfway down the hall. Byrd was the only one at the barricade.

They're just standing there, and walking.

"Afraid for their lives" I'm sure

It was clear from the barricade itself, the THREE COPS initially in front of the corridor, and SWAT coming up the steps to relieve them that this part of the capital was off limits.

 

[jmdrake]

Should have been a military operation, it's more of a shame that it wasn't

It's a shame that more people on the right didn't listen to Tucker Carlson and realize that Trump hadn't provided evidence to prove a stolen election.

Edit: But even though Tucker told the truth about the election not being stolen, he later got on script of the lie that the January 6th protestors were "peaceful and meek."

 

[Anti Federalist]

Babbit was given honors and a posthumous pardon, as far as I know.

The other J6ers were pardoned as well.

I voted for that.

To the victor go the spoils.

 

[TheTexan]

If Ashlii has been allowed to go through without getting shot then the deterrence factor of the gun would have dissipated. You just destroyed your own argument.

Only if you assume that Ashli saw the gun and went through anyway. I don't know if she did or didn't see the gun, but there's good reason to think that she didn't see it.

We'll never know, though, because Byrd made literally zero attempts to visually warn Ashli, and probably zero attempts to verbally warn Ashli himself (if he did, I didn't hear it).

If Byrd had made that effort, in such a way to be obvious to both Ashli and those of us viewing the evidence, and she still continued to proceed, then absolutely, the shooting would have been justified.

But he didn't.

 

[TheTexan]

It's a shame that more people on the right didn't listen to Tucker Carlson and realize that Trump hadn't provided evidence to prove a stolen election.

As I've said before, it's impossible to provide evidence to prove a stolen election, when the laws that were broken, are those that are designed to provide that evidence.

There is a shitload of evidence that these election laws were broken, and nothing was ever done about it.

So yea, they had a right to be upset about it.

Edit: But even though Tucker told the truth about the election not being stolen, he later got on script of the lie that the January 6th protestors were "peaceful and meek."

I certainly wouldn't ever make that claim myself.

 

[jmdrake]

Babbit was given honors and a posthumous pardon, as far as I know.

The other J6ers were pardoned as well.

I voted for that.

To the victor go the spoils.

And what did you win exactly?

'A Running List of Trump's Betrayals'

Aug 26, 2025

This thread is intended to track all of the instances of Trump either explicitly or implicitly reversing what he has said in the past, campaigned on, or would be an implicit betrayal of his past stance.

- Stated intent to increase the number of Chinese students coming to America (essentially immigration) to 600,000.

- Reversing course on reducing or eliminating the IRS.

- Trump secretly meeting with Bill Gates.

- Trump promised to drain the swamp. He is mostly doing the opposite.

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Ashlii Babbitt lost her life for ^that. Never forget it.

 

[Anti Federalist]

And what did you win exactly?

'A Running List of Trump's Betrayals'

Aug 26, 2025

This thread is intended to track all of the instances of Trump either explicitly or implicitly reversing what he has said in the past, campaigned on, or would be an implicit betrayal of his past stance.

- Stated intent to increase the number of Chinese students coming to America (essentially immigration) to 600,000.

- Reversing course on reducing or eliminating the IRS.

- Trump secretly meeting with Bill Gates.

- Trump promised to drain the swamp. He is mostly doing the opposite.

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Ashlii Babbitt lost her life for ^that. Never forget it.

I didn't win shit.

People I thought were unjustly imprisoned or killed were given their freedom and dignity back.

Trump managed to pull that off before the Small Hat Club snubbed his leash.

 

[jmdrake]

As I've said before, it's impossible to provide evidence to prove a stolen election, when the laws that were broken, are those that are designed to provide that evidence.

There is a shitload of evidence that these election laws were broken, and nothing was ever done about it.

So yea, they had a right to be upset about it.



I certainly wouldn't ever make that claim myself.

Election laws are broken every election by both sides. Democrat Stacey Abrams claimed Dominion Voting Machines stole the governors race from her. That's basically the same claim Sydney Powell was trying to make in 2020. Only Stacey Abrams didn't go into some bizarre conspiracy about Venezuela controlling the voting machines. And nobody stormed the capital of Georgia.

 

[TheTexan]

Election laws are broken every election by both sides. Democrat Stacey Abrams claimed Dominion Voting Machines stole the governors race from her. That's basically the same claim Sydney Powell was trying to make in 2020. Only Stacey Abrams didn't go into some bizarre conspiracy about Venezuela controlling the voting machines. And nobody stormed the capital of Georgia.

Election laws do get broken every election by both sides.

And there should be a riot each time that happens

 

[jmdrake]

Only if you assume that Ashli saw the gun and went through anyway. I don't know if she did or didn't see the gun, but there's good reason to think that she didn't see it.

Ummmm....no. The Trump / Pence had who said "It could have been me but she went in first" saw the gun. So if Officer Byrd had not shot Ashli Babbitt, he could have rightly assumed that if he went through the window Officer Byrd would not have shot him either. The deterrence factor would have dissipated for the people who saw the gun and didn't go through.

We'll never know, though, because Byrd made literally zero attempts to visually warn Ashli, and probably zero attempts to verbally warn Ashli himself (if he did, I didn't hear it).

He made an attempt TO VISIBLY WARN EVERYBODY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BARRICADE BEFORE ASHLI CRAWLED THROUGH THE WINODW! And those who saw it would not have been deterred from going through if he had shown there was going to be no immediate consequences for doing that.

 

[TheTexan]

You must be drinking while watching this then because there are at most 2 people in the corridor besides officer Byrd.

Here's a higher resolution version. You do have to look carefully, as one dude on the left is only identified by an arm movement, but there is at least 4 maybe 5 depending on whether one of 'em is the same guy.

It was clear from the barricade itself, the THREE COPS initially in front of the corridor, and SWAT coming up the steps to relieve them that this part of the capital was off limits.

I mean, wasn't it also clear, that every barricade that they went past was also off limits?

If someone breaks into my house, I'm generally gonna shoot them at my first opportunity. But if I were to let them break through a door, a 2nd door, and a 3rd door, while literally standing there and watching them do it, I'll at least give them the courtesy of a clear and overtly stern warning that if they go through the 4th door, they will get shot.

Rather than just randomly choosing to shoot them at some arbitrary number of doors broken.

 

[TheTexan]

He made an attempt TO VISIBLY WARN EVERYBODY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BARRICADE BEFORE ASHLI CRAWLED THROUGH THE WINODW! And those who saw it would not have been deterred from going through if he had shown there was going to be no immediate consequences for doing that.

He was on the left side of the corridor, at a perpendicular angle to her approach, on the right side of the corridor. Due to the manner and position of his approach, it's very likely that she didn't see it.

He may have made an attempt to warn "everybody on the other side" in a general fashion but he absolutely made zero attempt to warn Ashli specifically.

 

[jmdrake]

Here's a higher resolution version. You do have to look carefully, as one dude on the left is only identified by an arm movement, but there is at least 4 maybe 5 depending on whether one of 'em is the same guy.

You just reposted the same video I already posted that only shows two other people.

I've circled everybody, including Officer Byrd, in red.

I mean, wasn't it also clear, that every barricade that they went past was also off limits?

Yep. But this was the final barrier before you got to congress. Also in the video that you reposted that I already posted.

I've made this point but I'll make it again. Imagine if Rand Paul or Thomas Massie had been on the other side of that barricade and Trump had won in 2020 and BLM and antifa had been trying to get through?

If someone breaks into my house, I'm generally gonna shoot them at my first opportunity. But if I were to let them break through a door, a 2nd door, and a 3rd door, while literally standing there and watching them do it, I'll at least give them the courtesy of a clear and overtly stern warning that if they go through the 4th door, they will get shot.

Rather than just randomly choosing to shoot them at some arbitrary number of doors broken.

And officer Byrd showed himself before shooting. Using your logic if there are 5 people who broke into your and you showed your gun and 4 out of the five saw it and backed up and said "He's got a gun", but the 4th, for WHATEVER reason, didn't heed the warning, you would NOT be justified in shooting him because MAYBE he didn't see you with your gun. Yeah...I'm not buying that. You would have shot in that scenario.

 

[jmdrake]

I didn't win shit.

People I thought were unjustly imprisoned or killed were given their freedom and dignity back.

Trump managed to pull that off before the Small Hat Club snubbed his leash.

And Obama didn't say anything about the murder of Tara Cole. (Yeah she was killed two years before he was president but he was in the Senate). I haven't heard Kamala Harris or Joe Biden say anything about the murder of Sonya Massie other than an initial written statement when the story first broke. Oh well. The two people you have pictured didn't deserve to die. (Yes I know Karmelo Anthony is claiming self defense and maybe he'll get off like Daniel Penny but I still think nobody should have died that day). But if they could have someone tied their death to being in the service of the Orange Man they would be given military honors.

This belongs here:

 

[Anti Federalist]

I've made this point but I'll make it again. Imagine if Rand Paul or Thomas Massie had been on the other side of that barricade and Trump had won in 2020 and BLM and antifa had been trying to get through?

They have already done that, three times.

 

[jmdrake]

He was on the left side of the corridor, at a perpendicular angle to her approach, on the right side of the corridor. Due to the manner and position of his approach, it's very likely that she didn't see it.

He may have made an attempt to warn "everybody on the other side" in a general fashion but he absolutely made zero attempt to warn Ashli specifically.

Again. You're having a private party at your McMansion. (If you don't have one we'll just pretend). Some ne'er do wells crash through the gate of your gated community without getting shot. They rush past the armed guard you have at the door without getting shot. You retreat a barricaded interior room that that, for whatever reason, has a window that both sides can see through. The ne'er do well smash the window. You show your gun and 4 out of 5 of the thugs see it and say "He's got a gun" but one of them apparently doesn't and crawls through. You're telling me, with your wife and kids on the other side of the barricade with you, that you feel you have a responsibility to this 5th jackass to make sure that he is specifically warned himself before you shoot him? Yeah....I don't buy that even for a minute.

 

[TheTexan]

You just reposted the same video I already posted that only shows two other people.

I've circled everybody, including Officer Byrd, in red.

The area where you circled on the left, above Byrd's gun, you can see an obvious arm movement that does not belong to anyone you have yet identified. This occurs when the person you have circled walks to the left side of the corridor.

There are also more movements in the back of the corridor. One person even seems to sit down for a moment. I don't think these are all the same people but it may be.

But the number of people in that corridor isn't really that important. What's important is that they are not taking defensive postures, and besides Byrd, do not have raised weapons.

Yep. But this was the final barrier before you got to congress. Also in the video that you reposted that I already posted.

Doesn't change anything regarding my point. If you let people break through barricade after barricade, you owe them a very clear warning, that breaking through the next barricade will be fatal. Regardless of who or what is behind the barricade.

I've made this point but I'll make it again. Imagine if Rand Paul or Thomas Massie had been on the other side of that barricade and Trump had won in 2020 and BLM and antifa had been trying to get through?

I would trust them to have the courage and composure* to calmly evacuate through the established evacuation procedures that had been already called into effect. Which was roughly 30 minutes before Ashli Babbitt was shot IIRC.

(*unlike Josh Hawley who ran like a bitch)

And officer Byrd showed himself before shooting. Using your logic if there are 5 people who broke into your and you showed your gun and 4 out of the five saw it and backed up and said "He's got a gun", but the 4th, for WHATEVER reason, didn't heed the warning, you would NOT be justified in shooting him because MAYBE he didn't see you with your gun. Yeah...I'm not buying that. You would have shot in that scenario.

It depends. Would I have time to issue a clear warning to that individual, without endangering myself? Just a brief 2-3 seconds to get eye contact and say "stop or I'll shoot"?

If my house has a functioning barricade (and it was, still functioning, a barricade is intended to slow, not stop), and has multiple people behind me to assist me if needed, then yes, I believe I can afford the 2-3 seconds to avoid needlessly shooting someone who may have not heard the warning.