As employers push efficiency, the daily grind wears down workers

We are the greates country in the world. We have some of the most educated people, diverse race of people, resouce rich land, massive military ever known. And yet Italians, French, Germans, all live "better". Ever wonder why resource rich lands, with educated people such as America, Russia, Chinese, Brazil, Argentina should have a high standard of living but dont?Hint: starts with bank and ryhmes with gangster$.

As george carlin said "You all being fucked"
 
And hello to the USA from the rest of the world who did not understand how two people who do the compete same line of work can have a 1-4/5 ratio in salaries.The bad part for the USA worker is that the salaries will not equalize on the high end of the scale but on the lower one.

Yay, globalization.

A race to the bottom.
 
I have seen physical labor. I watched while standing at a train platform a crew of guys replace track and tie rods. It was maybe 80 degrees out, not too hot. These guys where HUGE. And they busted their asses, in 80 degree weather. And they were mostly white. And I thought to myself "White, I guess union and good pay." Then I thought, hell even at $100hr, I would run from this job. Physical labor sucks, at least for me. Would have ripped my back out in an hour.

Yeah--Kludge applied for a job with Western Southern that sounds a lot like that. I was close to happy that they never contacted him. Seemed like one of those jobs where you could get crushed and lose limbs, if not your life. It did pay quite well though.
 
Yep. Stupid url by the author, though.

Full disclosure: I had already heard this story previously, so just did a Google search and her "article" was among the first to pop up.

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Also: I am well aware that I could probably make more in a dangerous or more physical field, but I'm okay with what I'm making, and I have a weakness for climate control :D
 
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I have seen physical labor. I watched while standing at a train platform a crew of guys replace track and tie rods. It was maybe 80 degrees out, not too hot. These guys where HUGE. And they busted their asses, in 80 degree weather. And they were mostly white. And I thought to myself "White, I guess union and good pay." Then I thought, hell even at $100hr, I would run from this job. Physical labor sucks, at least for me. Would have ripped my back out in an hour.


You build muscles you didn't know you had. Some of them were probably huge as a result of the work. 200 years ago, nearly nothing happened without physical labor. It's not because they were all musclebound giants.

If anyone wants to offer me a job for $100/hr, PM me. I'll dig trees, carry hod, whatever. I might only want to work 10 hours a week at that rate. I have a feeling I don't need to clear out my inbox.
 
to keep an eye on your every move. its a mental fuck to know youre being watched all the time.

Exactly, the cameras are just there to fuck with employees and make their work as miserable as possible. For most managers, thats the only way they know how to manage people.
 
Yay, globalization.

A race to the bottom.

It is not globalization in this case as it is free trade.Workers in China can do everything American workers can do for a few times lower salary.There are 3 choices either increase productivity ( which is limited by human flesh ) , decrease paycheck or see your job shipped to somewhere else.And don't believe the union propaganda of how the USA worker is the hardest working in the world because it is FAR FAR away from the truth.

The only way out is to get a skill that is high in demand.I don't see brain surgeons complaining how "They took our jobs"
 
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LOL, that's funny.

The new dynamic, the new system, is total surveillance, both by government and by business.

You will be monitored for compliance at all times.

And the "right" screams when government does it.

And the "left" screams when business does it.

And somehow I'm the lone weirdo that says NOBODY should have the fucking right to do that.


There is nothing wrong with businesses doing it. You can always go somewhere else. I just pointed out that in most situations its bad business to place cameras on employees all the time.
 
There is nothing wrong with businesses doing it. You can always go somewhere else. I just pointed out that in most situations its bad business to place cameras on employees all the time.

Agreed, actually. Most companies only watch what is precious to them and worth the expenditure of resources to guard. For instance, we don't have cameras where I work... but I know that my email could be read at any time, and that if I make long distance calls using my work phone it will become an issue.
 
Agreed, actually. Most companies only watch what is precious to them and worth the expenditure of resources to guard. For instance, we don't have cameras where I work... but I know that my email could be read at any time, and that if I make long distance calls using my work phone it will become an issue.

Thats usually just used as an excuse to fire you if they want to. I was fired for inappropriate computer use for getting a virus on my computer.
 
Yeah--Kludge applied for a job with Western Southern that sounds a lot like that. I was close to happy that they never contacted him. Seemed like one of those jobs where you could get crushed and lose limbs, if not your life. It did pay quite well though.

The only problem with repairing and building railroads is that there is not fixed work time.You are home for 2 months than gone for 4-5 without rest than home again until the weather improves or some other team does their job first.My cousin is a chief engineer in one,and so far he has only mentioned only once a work accident where one of the rails fell and hit a worker and broke his hip but every field work has risk involved and working on rails is not a very dangerous work place with machinery today doing most of the hardest work that was done by workers in the past.
 
It is not globalization in this case as it is free trade.Workers in China can do everything American workers can do for a few times lower salary.There are 3 choices either increase productivity ( which is limited by human flesh ) , decrease paycheck or see your job shipped to somewhere else.And don't believe the union propaganda of how the USA worker is the hardest working in the world because it is FAR FAR away from the truth.

The only way out is to get a skill that is high in demand.I don't see brain surgeons complaining how "They took our jobs"

You are wrong. They do not complain because their jobs are protected at gunpoint with a license that they "pay" for, with large donations.. They are thousdands of PhDs in China, as well as here, who will work for far far less than Americans, and far less than doctors, yet are far more skilled and trained. These jobs that they take do not have a license and are not protected at gunpoint.
 
Oh--for folks that are looking for jobs, try indeed.com and local temp agencies.
 
It is not globalization in this case as it is free trade.Workers in China can do everything American workers can do for a few times lower salary.There are 3 choices either increase productivity ( which is limited by human flesh ) , decrease paycheck or see your job shipped to somewhere else.And don't believe the union propaganda of how the USA worker is the hardest working in the world because it is FAR FAR away from the truth.

The only way out is to get a skill that is high in demand.I don't see brain surgeons complaining how "They took our jobs"

LOL @ "Free Trade".

You must have missed my post from few days ago about visas being scooped up for foreign high tech workers.

We're gonna "free trade" ourselves right into poverty, bankruptcy and socialist revolution.
 
There is nothing wrong with businesses doing it. You can always go somewhere else. I just pointed out that in most situations its bad business to place cameras on employees all the time.

LOL @ "taking your business or employment elsewhere".

Tell that to me in few years when we all have surveillance boxes in our cars in order to buy "insurance".
 
LOL @ "Free Trade".

You must have missed my post from few days ago about visas being scooped up for foreign high tech workers.

We're gonna "free trade" ourselves right into poverty, bankruptcy and socialist revolution.


The new skills in high demand will be how to eat frogs and turtles, purify water, and tent living. Medical will always be there, but not like it is now. Ability to shoot and eat a squirrel will come in handy.
 
As employers push efficiency, the daily grind wears down workers


Gee, what a discovery. I was in the middle of this push 20 years ago, building the systems that make for all this efficiency. In the old world, this would have resulted in companies cutting off their noses to spite their faces because employees were actually valued, the absence of upper management blabbering about "our greatest resource" notwithstanding. Today, it is talk talk talk... empower the employee, greatest resource, and so on ad nauseum. In a typical company any employee empowering himself pursuant to the talk will find his manky hide on the street in about ten minutes.

We live in an era where EVERYTHING is bullshit. Bullshit has become the new truth. It is wildly insane and it is a clear indicator that the human race is fixing to come apart at the seams before a whole lot longer. I have lived through the changes and have watched them closely. Today's work-a-day world really sucks.

Many businesses no longer want long-term relationships with their employees,

Quantum change in circumstances. Disposable culture had to lead to disposable employees. It was inevitable.

Add the buyers market and they have you by the noots, even if you don't have any.


WESTFIELD, Mass. — The envelope factory where Lisa Weber works is hot and noisy. A fan she brought from home helps her keep cool as she maneuvers around whirring equipment to make her quota: 750 envelopes an hour, up from 500 a few years ago.

Thanks the scum who brought us "made in China". When you have people making envelopes at $0.20 per hour, you'd better be certain that is going to have a tremendously adverse effect on those companies in the USA that want to stay here and NOT go out of business. If customers can buy a box of 100 China-made envelopes for $1.70 and yours cost $4.50, guess what's going to happen.

The drudgery of work at National Envelope Co. used to be relieved by small perks — an annual picnic, free hams and turkeys over the holidays — but those have long since been eliminated.

Why should there be perks when management took it in the neck at the hands of unions for 80 years? Does anyone think there is zero payback occurring here? It isn't universal, but is isn't nonexistent either.

Work is seeping into off hours, as bosses pepper employees with email messages at night and on weekends. They monitor employees' Facebook pages and Twitter feeds for comments that conflict with the corporate message. The growing demands at the workplace mean people have less time to spend with their families or to help out with youth sports or other volunteer activities.

This is especially so of salaried employees. In 89 I managed a billion-dollar project for AT&T. I had 124 people under me and I was on conference calls at THREE AM at least once a week, every week for a year. I worked at least 6 days/week, often 7, and for not a penny's compensation extra. By the time I left that project I was a burnt weenie sandwich and I was only 31. Things got only worse after I went independent, but when a client is paying you $200/hour it isn't nearly as bad. $45K/month has its good side.

“If you're a highly skilled employee with highly marketable talents, they're going to pay dearly for you.

Perhaps, but the definition of "highly marketable" changes rapidly. Nobody is safe these days.


“You do what you have to do to keep the doors open,” he said.

This is truth.


When he started, Tayar said, he checked his voice mail every few hours. Today, lawyers must check their BlackBerrys every few minutes — and be prepared to cancel a dinner, weekend trip or vacation at a moment's notice. Tayar said he took just one day's vacation in a five-year stretch.

This was going on in my business 20 years ago. The one thing that has changed is that clients are no longer willing to pick up one's expenses - they expect us to get there on our nickle, which is incredibly idiotic - but the buyer's market enables this because if you don't like it, GTFO. There are a million other "yous" waiting to take your place.

Business is definitely going in the wrong direction, IMO. Taking the "maximizing the shareholder value" to such ridiculous extremes does not stand to do well in the long term. The human race is going 1000 mph toward a large and heavily reinforced concrete wall.
 
There are plenty of jobs out there. But they are jobs like this that pay $10-12 an hour. It only makes sense that 90 million people are going to choose disability and unemployment checks over this. It's not 'just a safety net' when it makes more sense than working.

i work at a 8.50 an hour job (9-6 job). i drive 1 hour in heavy traffic to work and 1 hour home in heavy traffic. lunch is sometimes included... luckily.

i sell LED lights and LEd light accessories.
 
LOL @ "taking your business or employment elsewhere".

Tell that to me in few years when we all have surveillance boxes in our cars in order to buy "insurance".

If we had free markets that couldn't happen. We have that system now because of over regulation.
 
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