Article: Will Ron Paul authorize an audit of the New Hampshire primary?

I think we should move on from this focus on the next states - MI, NV, and SC


Do you really think that is a good idea since all 46 counties in S.C. plan to use touch screen voting machines that have been banned in other states because they have been proven to be easily hackable?

S.C. to use voting machines banned in other states

1/9/08

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/29946

By Associated Press

GREENVILLE - South Carolina election officials say they still plan to use touch-screen voting machines despite the fact that other states have banned the use of similar systems made by the same company.

Last month, top election officials in Ohio and Colorado declared that Election Systems and Software's iVotronic is unfit for elections.

The ban was prompted by a study done for the state of Ohio in which researchers found electronic voting systems could be corrupted with magnets or handheld electronic devices such as Palm Treos.

"We've reviewed the report and we remain confident in the security and accuracy of South Carolina's voting system," state Election Commission spokesman Chris Whitmire said.

But the South Carolina League of Women Voters has renewed its call for the state to record votes on paper as well as electronically to allow for accuracy checks, though there have been no documented cases of actual election tampering.

"It's very difficult to get evidence that somebody tampered with the vote if you have no way of knowing what the vote was before they tampered," said Eleanor Hare, a computer scientist who participated in a study of the machines by the South Carolina League of Women Voters.

The machines have been used statewide since 2006.

The Ohio study found the machines "lack the fundamental technical controls necessary to guarantee a trustworthy election under operational conditions."

"Exploitable vulnerabilities allow even persons with limited access - voters and precinct poll workers - to compromise voting machines and precinct results, and, in some cases, to inject and spread software viruses into the central election management system," the report says.

However, the company that makes the machines says on its Web site that it disagrees with the Ohio report's technical findings.

"All of our voting systems have been thoroughly tested and examined under realistic election conditions before those systems are ever made available to states for additional testing and consideration," the company's statement says. "The testing and certification processes already in place are extremely rigorous, ensuring that voting systems meet well-established standards for performance under realistic election conditions."
 
Damn the torpedoes!

I do not care if we are labeled kooks, crybabies, or the like.
This needs to be fought HERE AND NOW or everything else is MOOT.
I hope we get a patriotic whistleblower!
 
Vote Fraud is happening

Accusations of voter fraud are a "third rail" in American politics.

Unless and until there is a valid, legal reason to do so, like legally sworn affidavits from citizens or election officials of Iowa and New Hampshire that actually claim some sort of vote fraud (for or against any candidate) then this should not be done. Otherwise the people doing it will be subjected to non-stop attack and smearing in the MSM.

Unless there are numerous legal affidavits (I don't have a number but more than one precinct) stating that people who voted for Ron Paul were disenfrachised by fraud I don't think the official campaign should have anything to do with this.

If people in the grassroots want to do this on their own, that's ok, but please do it from a position of protecting the process rather than promoting Ron Paul.

Just my opinion.

There is factual eveidence of vote fraud in Florida from the 2004 Presidential race.
There is factual evidence of voter fraud in Florida's straw polls earlier this year.
There is factual evidence of vote fraud in Iowa and New Hampshire.
If you and others do not want to believe it that is your prerogative and opinion.

If more people tend to disbelieve that vote fraud is not happening in the
United States then go about you merry way because whoever you vote for will not matter
and those that are commiting the fraud will get elected whomever they desire.

Perhaps you do not believe in the media blackout and exclusion of our candidate Ron Paul?
Perhaps his views really do not resonate with the major voting public and they are
really not interested in what he has to say and the MSM is correct when it says he is a fringe candidate.

If that is the case I say you are too trusting. IMHO.
 
listen grassroots should do this not Ron Paul Someone start a chippin start a site www.NHrecount.com we can raise the money in one or two days and get it done. I think it would hurt RP right now if he called for this. He can't afford to give the MSM any ammo.. Any one interested in taking up the task?
 
I understand the people that say we should just move on, but we can't just do nothing about possible fraud. With the news we have been hearing about Sutton, RP has every right to ask for a recount. If we just keep moving on like so many want us to do, we will keep moving on to more fraud. How does that help?
 
it seem like there are forces at work that want to turn the vote fraud issue into a "truther" issue, by making it a taboo, or "third rail" issue.

I think any issue that can't be discussed on mainstream media in a rational way is suspect. I believe 9/11 was an inside job, and every time I see the mainstream try to belittle or humiliate truthers, it makes me that much more sure I am right.

Don't let them sweep vote fraud under the carpet too.
 
Ok, let's say we focus all our energy on preventing voter fraud, now there's no voter fraud, but there's no votes either since we spent all our time and energy on preventing election fraud, so we still don't win

That's my point
 
Yea, the fact that the MSM so blindly follows any thing the government tells them proves to me that they are not credible and can not be trusted. You never hear the MSM question any major political issue.I wonder why....
 
Do not call Rand Paul's medical practice. His patients won't be able to get through if suddenly a bunch of Ron Paul supporters shut down his practice's phone lines.
 
Of course, we shouldn't use ALL ouor energy on voter fraud, but there should be an organized effort from someone, whether it is HQ or a small group of grassroots.
 
You guys have already given up, before the next state primary, you all have already said it's a voter fraud, election fraud, so what's the point of doing anything then according to you all?

You can't win an election without any votes either, even if there is no voter or election fraud...that's my point, and I think even if there was fraud, we wouldn't have gotten 3rd place...

They fix horse races don't they?
They fix boxing matches don't they?
Professional atheletes doping themselves
to increase their strength and abilities.
The New England Patriots were caught cheating by using
videotaped defensive signals by the New York Jets’ coaches,
according to league sources.

Cheating in politics happens all of the time! You read
about it from the local levels to the national levels
and to think that our voting system here in th U.S. is immune
then you have your head stuck in the sand!
 
listen grassroots should do this not Ron Paul Someone start a chippin start a site www.NHrecount.com we can raise the money in one or two days and get it done. I think it would hurt RP right now if he called for this. He can't afford to give the MSM any ammo.. Any one interested in taking up the task?

We do not need a chip in for this. We have gven his campaign 20M this quarter. Only they can request a recount and they have the money to do it.
 
Of course, we shouldn't use ALL ouor energy on voter fraud, but there should be an organized effort from someone, whether it is HQ or a small group of grassroots.

But there's not much time left until the next primary, and all of the energy is now being diverted towards voter fraud, not towards gaining new votes
 
They fix horse races don't they?
They fix boxing matches don't they?
Professional atheletes doping themselves
to increase their strength and abilities.
The New England Patriots were caught cheating by using
videotaped defensive signals by the New York Jets’ coaches,
according to league sources.

Cheating in politics happens all of the time! You read
about it from the local levels to the national levels
and to think that our voting system here in th U.S. is immune
then you have your head stuck in the sand!

I'm not saying there was no voter fraud or election fraud, there probably was of some type

What I'm saying is, regardless of if an election is fair or fraudulent, we can't win without any votes
 
But there's not much time left until the next primary, and all of the energy is now being diverted

All of the energy is not being diverted!

What are you saying that we as Ron Paul supporters do not have the assets
and abilities to campaign and chew gum at the same time?

Give me a break!
 
But there's not much time left until the next primary, and all of the energy is now being diverted towards voter fraud, not towards gaining new votes

what the hell good are new votes if we are cheated in every election????


RECOUNT!!!
 
All of the energy is not being diverted!

What are you saying that we as Ron Paul supporters do not have the assets
and abilities to campaign and chew gum at the same time?

Give me a break!

Yes it is, that's all people are caring about now

Organizing efforts against voter fraud and election fraud

Not organizing efforts to gain new votes

There's only 5 days until the next primary/caucus
 
what the hell good are new votes if we are cheated in every election????


RECOUNT!!!

What the hell good is it if the election is 100% fair but we have no votes?

You guys are overly exaggerating this whole election fraud thing and you know it
 
Yes it is, that's all people are caring about now

Organizing efforts against voter fraud and election fraud

Not organizing efforts to gain new votes

There's only 5 days until the next primary/caucus

You're making a ridiculous generalization.

There are thousands of meetup groups right now organizing,
canvassing, discussing strategies and are not concerned with
vote fraud at all as we speak.

If you are not concerned then get outside and do some leg work
for the campaign instead of arguing against the facts.

Sheeesh!
 
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