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New Update: I didn't get a chance to ask my question, but I didn't really need to because Gen Selva was pretty realistic about the state of our economy. He touched on how the battle lines are really drawn at the economic level right now. He spoke about intriguing questions concerning the Chinese demographic and the looming social programs burden in China (~200 million single Chinese men will grow old with no social network to take care of them) . He didn't say it, but what happens with China needs to call in their loans?
He spoke a lot about the prospect of conflict between China and Russia concerning harsh working conditions for Chinese laborers in Russia.
I thought it interesting he never once mentioned terrorism as a military threat we need to be prepared for. Of course, my opinion is terrorism is best responded to through sound police work and best prevented through sound foreign policy.
Another interesting tidbit, he said the MSM is no longer a force for the people (duh!) and military members need to speak out with our families and communities concerning what's going on in the military, ie burgeoning commitments vs dwindling resources.
UPDATE: PLEASE HELP: I will attend a briefing by Gen Selva quoted in this article on Thursday, 21 Feb. I was thinking of asking him where the congress should get the money to upgrade the AF. Do you have any better (serious) questions you would like me to pose to General Selva?
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Atlanta Journal-Constitution
February 19, 2008
Air Force Says It Needs Billions Now
Missions can't be done without new planes, generals insist. One critic likens budget request to trading in Toyota for Mercedes.
By Richard Lardner, Associated Press
Washington--Air Force officials are warning that unless their budget is increased dramatically, and soon, the military's flying branch won't dominate the skies as it has for decades.
After more than seven years of war in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Air Force's aging jet fighters, bombers, cargo aircraft and gunships are at the breaking point, they say, and expensive, ultramodern replacements are needed fast.
"What we've done is put the requirement on the table that says, 'If we're going to do the missions you're going to ask us to do, it will require this kind of investment,' " Maj. Gen. Paul Selva, the Air Force's director of strategic planning, said in an interview.
"Failing that, we take what is already a geriatric Air Force," Selva said, "and we drive it for another 20 years into an area of uncertainty."
An extra $20 billion each year over the next five--beginning with an Air Force budget of about $137 billion in 2009 instead of the $117 billion the Bush administration proposed--would solve that problem, according to Selva and other senior Air Force officers.
The prospects for huge infusions of cash seem dim. Congress is expected to boost the 2009 budget, but not to the level the Air Force urges. In the years that follow, a possible recession, a rising federal deficit and a distaste for higher taxes all portend a decline in defense spending regardless of which party wins the White House in November.
"The Air Force is going to be confronting a major procurement crisis because it can't buy all the things that it absolutely needs," said Dov Zakheim, a former Pentagon comptroller. "It's going to force us to rethink, yet again, 'What is the strategy we want? What can we give up?' "
The Air Force's distress is partly self-inflicted, says Steve Kosiak of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in Washington. The Marietta-made F-22 Raptor and the F-35 Lightning, fighters that will supplant the F-15 Eagle and F-16 Falcon, have drastically higher price tags than their predecessors and require a bigger chunk of the defense budget.
"One of the reasons their equipment has aged so much is because they continue to move ahead with the development and presumed acquisition of new weapon systems that cost two to three times as much as the systems they are replacing," Kosiak said. "It's like replacing a Toyota with a Mercedes."
It's not as if the Air Force has gone without any new airplanes. The B-2 Spirit stealth bomber, the C-17 Globemaster airlifter and the CV-22 tilt-rotor, which flies like a helicopter or an airplane, have all been added since the mid-1990s.
The Air Force also plans to spend between $30 billion and $40 billion over the next 15 years for new refueling tankers. A contract is expected to be awarded soon. Those new tankers won't be flying, however, until 2013.
The Air Force isn't alone in wanting more money, but its appetite is far greater than those of the other military branches. Shortly after President Bush submitted his defense plan for the 2009 budget year, which begins Oct. 1, each service outlined for Congress what it felt was left out. The Air Force's $18.8 billion wish list was almost twice as much as the other three services' combined.
"There's no justification for it. Period. End of story," said Gordon Adams, a former Clinton administration budget official who specializes in defense issues. "Until someone constrains these budget requests, the hunger for more will charge ahead unchecked."
But Selva said F-15s and F-16s are more than 20 years old on average and have reached a point where spending more money on extensive repairs is a poor investment. Originally designed to last 4,000 flying hours, both have been extended beyond 8,000.
An F-15 with a comparatively low 5,000 flying hours disintegrated during a routine training flight over Missouri in early November. For the Air Force, that crash has become a touchstone event that demonstrates the precarious state of a fleet collectively older than any in the service's 60-year history.
It's not just the fighters that are elderly.
Selva, who graduated from the Air Force Academy in 1980, said he remembers hearing about the first flight of the mammoth C-5 transport when he was in first grade. B-52 bombers and KC-135 tankers, which refuel airplanes in flight, have been in the inventory for more than four decades.
And mechanics are finding it difficult to keep rust off the A-10 Thunderbolt, a tank-killing plane now a quarter-century old.
"If you want to accept that today we're doing an adequate job with this sort of patchwork of airplanes, when are we no longer able to do an adequate job?" Selva asked. "What's the next thing that's going to happen?"
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Further proof that the American Empire is crumbling. Even if we would like to see Iraq stand on it's own to feet, shouldn't we be standing on ours?
He spoke a lot about the prospect of conflict between China and Russia concerning harsh working conditions for Chinese laborers in Russia.
I thought it interesting he never once mentioned terrorism as a military threat we need to be prepared for. Of course, my opinion is terrorism is best responded to through sound police work and best prevented through sound foreign policy.
Another interesting tidbit, he said the MSM is no longer a force for the people (duh!) and military members need to speak out with our families and communities concerning what's going on in the military, ie burgeoning commitments vs dwindling resources.
UPDATE: PLEASE HELP: I will attend a briefing by Gen Selva quoted in this article on Thursday, 21 Feb. I was thinking of asking him where the congress should get the money to upgrade the AF. Do you have any better (serious) questions you would like me to pose to General Selva?
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Atlanta Journal-Constitution
February 19, 2008
Air Force Says It Needs Billions Now
Missions can't be done without new planes, generals insist. One critic likens budget request to trading in Toyota for Mercedes.
By Richard Lardner, Associated Press
Washington--Air Force officials are warning that unless their budget is increased dramatically, and soon, the military's flying branch won't dominate the skies as it has for decades.
After more than seven years of war in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Air Force's aging jet fighters, bombers, cargo aircraft and gunships are at the breaking point, they say, and expensive, ultramodern replacements are needed fast.
"What we've done is put the requirement on the table that says, 'If we're going to do the missions you're going to ask us to do, it will require this kind of investment,' " Maj. Gen. Paul Selva, the Air Force's director of strategic planning, said in an interview.
"Failing that, we take what is already a geriatric Air Force," Selva said, "and we drive it for another 20 years into an area of uncertainty."
An extra $20 billion each year over the next five--beginning with an Air Force budget of about $137 billion in 2009 instead of the $117 billion the Bush administration proposed--would solve that problem, according to Selva and other senior Air Force officers.
The prospects for huge infusions of cash seem dim. Congress is expected to boost the 2009 budget, but not to the level the Air Force urges. In the years that follow, a possible recession, a rising federal deficit and a distaste for higher taxes all portend a decline in defense spending regardless of which party wins the White House in November.
"The Air Force is going to be confronting a major procurement crisis because it can't buy all the things that it absolutely needs," said Dov Zakheim, a former Pentagon comptroller. "It's going to force us to rethink, yet again, 'What is the strategy we want? What can we give up?' "
The Air Force's distress is partly self-inflicted, says Steve Kosiak of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in Washington. The Marietta-made F-22 Raptor and the F-35 Lightning, fighters that will supplant the F-15 Eagle and F-16 Falcon, have drastically higher price tags than their predecessors and require a bigger chunk of the defense budget.
"One of the reasons their equipment has aged so much is because they continue to move ahead with the development and presumed acquisition of new weapon systems that cost two to three times as much as the systems they are replacing," Kosiak said. "It's like replacing a Toyota with a Mercedes."
It's not as if the Air Force has gone without any new airplanes. The B-2 Spirit stealth bomber, the C-17 Globemaster airlifter and the CV-22 tilt-rotor, which flies like a helicopter or an airplane, have all been added since the mid-1990s.
The Air Force also plans to spend between $30 billion and $40 billion over the next 15 years for new refueling tankers. A contract is expected to be awarded soon. Those new tankers won't be flying, however, until 2013.
The Air Force isn't alone in wanting more money, but its appetite is far greater than those of the other military branches. Shortly after President Bush submitted his defense plan for the 2009 budget year, which begins Oct. 1, each service outlined for Congress what it felt was left out. The Air Force's $18.8 billion wish list was almost twice as much as the other three services' combined.
"There's no justification for it. Period. End of story," said Gordon Adams, a former Clinton administration budget official who specializes in defense issues. "Until someone constrains these budget requests, the hunger for more will charge ahead unchecked."
But Selva said F-15s and F-16s are more than 20 years old on average and have reached a point where spending more money on extensive repairs is a poor investment. Originally designed to last 4,000 flying hours, both have been extended beyond 8,000.
An F-15 with a comparatively low 5,000 flying hours disintegrated during a routine training flight over Missouri in early November. For the Air Force, that crash has become a touchstone event that demonstrates the precarious state of a fleet collectively older than any in the service's 60-year history.
It's not just the fighters that are elderly.
Selva, who graduated from the Air Force Academy in 1980, said he remembers hearing about the first flight of the mammoth C-5 transport when he was in first grade. B-52 bombers and KC-135 tankers, which refuel airplanes in flight, have been in the inventory for more than four decades.
And mechanics are finding it difficult to keep rust off the A-10 Thunderbolt, a tank-killing plane now a quarter-century old.
"If you want to accept that today we're doing an adequate job with this sort of patchwork of airplanes, when are we no longer able to do an adequate job?" Selva asked. "What's the next thing that's going to happen?"
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Further proof that the American Empire is crumbling. Even if we would like to see Iraq stand on it's own to feet, shouldn't we be standing on ours?
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