Arrested And Deported For Exercising First Amendment Rights?

[familydog]

You prove somebody said "no due process in court". Because all I can see proof of is someone said "no due process". Yes, if you say different, the burden of proof is indeed on you.

You're obfuscating, as usual. I said that the chances of a citizen being swept up in deportations without due process is low. You gave me some gobbledygook suggestion that the number is high. I'll repeat, the burden of proof is not on me.

 

[acptulsa]

Non-citizens should not be afforded due process.

Invisible Man quoted this, and said that without due process at all citizens could get wrongly deported.

Since then you have been bleating that the chance of a citizen not getting due process is low.

But the point was, without due process who knows for sure he's a citizen eligible for due process?

Well?

 

[familydog]

Invisible Man quoted this, and said that without due process at all citizens could get wrongly deported.

Since then you have been bleating that the chance of a citizen not getting due process is low.

But the point was, without due process who knows for sure he's a citizen eligible for due process?

Well?

"bleating"

It's weird that you assume due process always leads to the correct outcome.

But I'll grant you that in the history of Western Civilization, due process (that is run by imperfect humans) has never made a mistake and we can assume it will never, ever make a mistake and deport a citizen on accident.

Who cares? There is no proof that lack of due process leads to anything other than statistical anomalies.

 

[acptulsa]

It's weird that you assume due process always leads to the correct outcome.

It's weird you assume you can read my mind. I didn't say that, either. You're still trying to distract from the fact that somebody was talking about zero due process, and you are trying to defend that stupid decision by saying when they said due process they meant in court, but due process doesn't require a court.

Which isn't working. Just so you know.

Yes, bleating. Keep saying it: Four legs good, two legs better!

 

[familydog]

It's weird you assume you can read my mind. I didn't say that, either. You're still trying to distract from the fact that somebody was talking about zero due process, and you are trying to defend that stupid decision by saying when they said due process they meant in court, but due process doesn't require a court.

Which isn't working. Just so you know.

Yes, bleating. Keep saying it: Four legs good, two legs better!

No distractions. I'll just assume you can't read. Perhaps we can get some sort of accessibility program here to help those who have trouble understanding English. But I'll repeat myself for others to catch up.

Due process is not a right for aliens. Due process ought not be granted to aliens. The odds of a citizen being deported by mistake is low. If a citizen is mistakenly deported, there are remedies.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

"students who broke no law but held views the Administration doesn't like"

That's just a lie, and deceiving Ron like this is elder abuse.

Context:

 

[Brian4Liberty]

1) Non-citizens should not be afforded due process. 2) They should be deported for their anti-American views before anti-anything else. 3) "Free speech" should only be allowed for views that advance Heritage Americans.

1) Certainly they have rights, including due process. Can non-citizens be accused of murder, taken to the nearest tree, and hung without due process?

2) For legal visas, if they violated the terms and conditions, then they should be deported. But specifically in this situation, she is being deported for opposing the Israeli government.

3) Come on, man! (Read in Joe Biden voice).

There are different methods of due process, it doesn't always involve a court that gets to drag the process out for years. There can be administrative due process that is sufficient for non citizens. Sending foreign nationals back to their home country should never need a court involved.

Exactly. And there is a process. In general, when there is reasonable and probable cause that people are in the nation illegally, they are detained. They are released when they show evidence that they are legal. It can happen in 10 seconds by showing a valid ID, or it may take a day or two to provide evidence. If not, then they are in line for deportation. This is not hypothetical. This is from recent incidents locally.

In the unlikely case that an American citizen is deported, they can return as soon as they show evidence that they can legally enter.

 

[acptulsa]

Due process is not a right for aliens.

And IM still said due process detects citizens who got caught in the net. Because some people aren't silly enough to think bureaucrats never make mistakes. And you still rushed in to say due process was ok for citizens.

And you still haven't explained how those citizens get the due process they're due as citizens if they never get the due process that confirms they are, in fact, citizens.

Have you?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Without due process, what stands in the way of deporting citizens and simply saying they aren’t citizens? No due process means no requirement to prove you have the right person.

That's the only process they get, to determine they are not citizens.

 

[Swordsmyth]

An altar upon which untold multitudes of innocent people have been sacrificed.

And you are attempting to sacrifice every single citizen on the altar of open borders and false rights for invaders.

 

[Swordsmyth]

1) Certainly they have rights, including due process. Can non-citizens be accused of murder, taken to the nearest tree, and hung without due process?

2) For legal visas, if they violated the terms and conditions, then they should be deported. But specifically in this situation, she is being deported for opposing the Israeli government.

3) Come on, man! (Read in Joe Biden voice).



Exactly. And there is a process. In general, when there is reasonable and probable cause that people are in the nation illegally, they are detained. They are released when they show evidence that they are legal. It can happen in 10 seconds by showing a valid ID, or it may take a day or two to provide evidence. If not, then they are in line for deportation. This is not hypothetical. This is from recent incidents locally.

In the unlikely case that an American citizen is deported, they can return as soon as they show evidence that they can legally enter.

Due process only applies to being deprived of life, liberty, or property, deportation of foreigners is none of those.

The illegal invaders don't even have Due process rights for those, as invaders they could be summarily executed if we chose that policy.

She is not being deported for opposing Israel, she's being deported for engaging in crimes euphemistically called protest, but we would have every right to deport her for opposing Israel, or Russia, or the EU, or for no reason at all.

 

[acptulsa]

And you are attempting to sacrifice every single citizen on the altar of open borders and false rights for invaders.

Dude, I'm saying due process is a right citizens have which could be denied them when brainless zealots like you get carried away. Jesus Christ, man, you're talking about summary execution and you aren't even saying how we can be that cocksure no citizens get caught up in this. And I'm sacrificing citizens? How does giving people due process sacrifice citizens, exactly?

Get your two brain cells revved up and explain that.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Dude, I'm saying due process is a right citizens have which could be denied them when brainless zealots like you get carried away. Jesus Christ, man, you're talking about summary execution and you aren't even saying how we can be that cocksure no citizens get caught up in this. And I'm sacrificing citizens? How does giving people due process sacrifice citizens, exactly?

Get your two brain cells revved up and explain that.

You are making up nonsense fantasies to ensure the 10s of millions of invaders can never be removed in a timely fashion.
They do check to make sure they are not citizens, and a few mistakes (burden of proof that they exist is on you) would not lead to a loss of Due Process rights for citizens.

I have at least twice as many brain cells as you no matter how many I have.

 

[acptulsa]

They do check to make sure they are not citizens...

You speak with authority. Fine. Then you're just the source of knowledge we need here. Explain the process.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Context:

A: she's not being deported or punished for her speech, she's being deported for her crimes.
B: she doesn't have a 1stA right to be here, she can speak all she wants somewhere she has a right to be and where she hasn't committed crimes.

 

[Swordsmyth]

It's weird you assume you can read my mind. I didn't say that, either. You're still trying to distract from the fact that somebody was talking about zero due process, and you are trying to defend that stupid decision by saying when they said due process they meant in court, but due process doesn't require a court.

Which isn't working. Just so you know.

Yes, bleating. Keep saying it: Four legs good, two legs better!

I know you are hiding behind this, but Due Process does indeed mean court hearings, everyone knows that and it's what the left is demanding.
I also told you that they do check to make sure that they are citizens or not, and you claim that what is done is not enough.
You are pushing the left's "due process" talking point with full knowledge that it means court hearings but trying to pretend it doesn't.
There is no more "due process" to give them that they don't already get other than court hearings.

 

[acptulsa]

I know you are hiding behind this, but Due Process does indeed mean court hearings, everyone knows that and it's what the left is demanding.

That's a lie. I said the opposite, and I happen to be right about that.

I also told you that they do check to make sure that they are citizens or not, and you claim that what is done is not enough.

And I asked you to tell us what's involved. That isn't a claim that it's not enough. It's a request to be informed whether it is or not, and how you know when it isn't common knowledge. And you're trying to distract from the fact that you aren't answering the question by lying about what I said. Again.

You are pushing the left's "due process" talking point with full knowledge that it means court hearings but trying to pretend it doesn't.
There is no more "due process" to give them that they don't already get other than court hearings.

Another lie about what I said. I have personally received due process without seeing a courtroom or a judge.

And if you can't cite a source of knowledge of what they are doing, then how can any of us be sure you have the first clue?

You know, all of this started because someone said, they should get no due process, and you're so brainless you're actually trying to defend them by conceding that they should get due process. Buy a clue.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

...
She is not being deported for opposing Israel, she's being deported for engaging in crimes euphemistically called protest, but we would have every right to deport her for opposing Israel, or Russia, or the EU, or for no reason at all.

Yet she would not get deported for opposing Russia. She could protest carrying signs that say "Putin is Hitler", and "Nuke Russia Now" and she would get prime time news coverage praising her valiant stand. Marco Rubio would make a statement saying that she is a shining example of the type of immigrant we need.

 

[Invisible Man]

The chances of this happening are extremely low. The benefits outweigh the costs significantly. These benefits include the fact that it would take years, decades to provide due process to the tens of millions of aliens in this country. If any citizen is mistakenly deported then they can go to the nearest embassy and let them know. They aren't just dropped in the middle of the jungle.

Just "let them know"? Or would the burden be on them to prove it?

 

[familydog]

Just "let them know"? Or would the burden be on them to prove it?

Well, you see. We have these magical things called computers that have this technology called the internet. The overpaid workers there can type in some words on a keyboard to find this information out.