Armed Feds Prepare For Showdown With Nevada Cattle Rancher

[Anti Federalist]

We have seen the ENEMY and he is us!!!:

Please, PLEASE do this. First off the predator from orbiting at 33k feet probibly is watching that teatard spank it on hairs duty. And when you do and the bullets start flying all you will here between you sobbing for mommy will be the immediate about face by you cohorts and conservotard media as you are labors domestic terrorists just like in Waco, and OKC.

Besides, between your load out plan and ROE you will be dead within an hour or so. Treasonous bastards.

Sgt. Jeffery Humphrey
Former U.S. Army Infantry Squad Leader
Purple Heart/Iraq Veteran

Based on that, I thought grammar, spelling and syntax were the enemies.

 

[Red Green]

Good god! He has the grammar skills of a border-line retard.

He's been south of that border for some time now.....

 

[austin944]

From where does the federal government derive the authority to administer the land that the State of Arizona owns?

US v. Gardner, 107 F. 3d 1314 - Court of Appeals, 9th Circuit 1997
``The United States and Mexico signed the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848. In that treaty, Mexico ceded land that includes the present-day state of Nevada to the United States. 9 Stat. 922 (1848); see also Sparrow v. Strong, 70 U.S. (3 Wall.) 97, 104, 18 L.Ed. 49 (1865) ("The Territory, of which Nevada is a part, was acquired by Treaty."). The language of the Treaty itself refers to the land ceded by Mexico to the United States as "territories previously belonging to Mexico, and which remain for the future within the limits of the United States." 9 Stat. 922, 929 (1848). Courts in the United States have uniformly found that title to the land first passed to the United States through the Treaty.''

 

[AuH20]

The anger in this diary feeds my very soul. These people really think that they are part of the oligarchy known as the federal government!!! ROFL It's frightening and amusing at the same time!!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...is-a-Big-Fat-Million-Dollar-Welfare-Dead-Beat

The difference maker in this situation was (36+ / 0-)

very simply the threat of armed vigilantism. When folks realize you don't have to pay taxes if you're white and have a big enough posse of armed dead-enders on call, parts of the country may soon start looking like eastern Ukraine.

* [new] If there was ever a time (21+ / 0-)

I wanted my government to come down hard on someone, it is this SOB and the whole cast of outlaws gunning for a confrontation.

They (govt.) better not capitulate. I don't care how they do it, IRS bank leins, his freaking cattle, the Army, whatever, but they better not back down, otherwise this is only going to get worse. Worse in the sense that these assholes with guns will show up each and every time something doesn't suit them.

Must be nice to be able to get your own militia to confront the government when you don't get your way.

Most excellent rant Vyan. Perfect in every sense.

Circle the U.S. Federal wagons (so to speak) (0+ / 0-)

and draw it tight. Shoot anyone who steps outside the boundaries (and it is possible to shoot not to kill) and send them all to Gitmo (where traitors reside). No lawyers, no rights, no nothing, do not pass Go, end up in Gitmo.

And throw away any and all keys that hold these guys in!

They Must Be So Disappointed...... (13+ / 0-)

Not a single shot was fired. They were itching for a rain of bullets. Instead Bundy's kid got himself tasered when he tried to kick a dog.

What kind of hero kicks a dog?

It just makes me so F'ng angry, I could spit. This (12+ / 0-)

F'ng TRAITOR, who threatens federal officers with violence while stealing the resources of our land for his personal profit, is threatening the whole country, IMHO. No rule of law for me, says this traitor.

He has to PAY for this. Period. Jail time. Garnishment of bank accounts. Whatever. Now that his personal militia has cheered their victory and gone home, they, too should have to PAY for their crimes of flouting the law and gathering together to threaten physical violence/insurrection against our country. Fuck them!

Oh, and irony of irony, certainly Bundy's ancestors claimed that acreage in a GOVERNMENT give-away of 140 acres in the 1860's to develop the area. Fucking freeloaders, all.

this is very disturbing (0+ / 0-)

A rightwing rable can get together and defy the federal government, and get away with it! This will only embolden the crazies. On this I fault President Obama.

Obama is not stupid, he knows that his election brought out every rightwing extremist, neoNazi, fascist, white supremecist, gaybashing, asshole out from under their rocks. These people are armed, cocky, and foaming at the mouth their hatred for some very vulnerable people in our country.

And what does Obama allow the Feds to do? BACK OFF!
Why wasnt this done with Occupy Wall Street? And it isnt even comparable because OWS was peaceful, not brandishing weapons and working for a more noble goal than their "freedom" to sponge off the federal lands for free.

No other group would be allowed to flout their noses at federal law. And of course the were "afraid of bloodshed."
Law enforcement faces the real possibility of bloodshed ever day they put on their badge and step out of their door to go to work.

We have to face down these neofascists or one day they will be too numerous and strong to face down. This is not child's play anymore. The neofascists have thumbed their nose at the government and won. Whatever optoins the feds have to punish this guy pales to the dreadful message this sends to the rightwing, they know they have won, and our emboldened to take more "sovereign citizen action."

Obama, I am extremely disappointed in you. You need to realize that it is your job to protect us from the neofascist scum your election caused to crawl out from under their rocks in the millions!

 

[pcosmar]

The anger in this diary feeds my very soul. These people really think that they are part of the oligarchy known as the federal government!!! ROFL It's frightening and amusing at the same time!!

That shit just convinces me that this country needs a good cleansing.

 

[Pericles]

Never made the claim this was a game, Klamath. And I doubt the men who had their weapons confiscated believed it was a game either. They just chose not to open fire. I don't think that necessarily makes them cowards. That is MY point.

If you end up losing your weapons, you either have a porly thought out or badly executed plan. In stead of contributing to whatever you were trying to achieve, you have contributed to your opponent's propaganda efforts.

One of the notions articulated in the 4GW theory is that is is not military capability that determines the outcome, but the convergence of popular opinion, the will to use appropriate levels of force to neutralize opponents, and skillful use of propaganda that result in victory. The objective is the will of you opponent to continue conflict.

The US had and has the capability to bring overwhelming force to bear, but takes nukes off the table, and imposes other rules on itself in an effort to play to public opinion. All of the vets here are very aware of the efforts made toward force protection. The US military is unwilling to take combat losses, and will exert any effort to avoid taking combat deaths. The trend is even more pronounced on the civilian end. The idea of getting shot puts a panic in LE

The Taliban know this, and are willing to take any number of losses in order to kill opponents. The propaganda victory for the US militia movement is that just the possibility of having their people injured or killed was enough to make the BLM back down. In summary a demonstrated ability to impose a cost an opponent was unwilling to pay.

There are lessons to be learned here. I suggest a key lesson is time to bloodshed. Without bloodshed, and time to communicate and travel, an armed citizenry dominated. The BLM could not complete the operation before there was time for the citizenry to communicate and act. Any future fed operation will attempt to use speed and overwhelming numbers for the "shock and awe" effect. Opposing that requires the ability to either get more time, or impose an unacceptable sacrifice.

 

[klamath]

The anger in this diary feeds my very soul. These people really think that they are part of the oligarchy known as the federal government!!! ROFL It's frightening and amusing at the same time!!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...is-a-Big-Fat-Million-Dollar-Welfare-Dead-Beat

I think this demonstrates that the progressive democrats are the most willing to use lethal force and will slaughter anyone even for some dried up grass in the middle of the desert NOBODY else is using. The history of their presidents prove it.
They really think that welfare line is a really powerful line. Talk about hate.

 

[Carlybee]

Dems are always complaining about the influence of the Koch Brothers..I submit the Daily Kos and it's ilk are the worst side of the influence coin.

 

[Carson]

The anger in this diary feeds my very soul. These people really think that they are part of the oligarchy known as the federal government!!! ROFL It's frightening and amusing at the same time!!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...is-a-Big-Fat-Million-Dollar-Welfare-Dead-Beat

Then why repeat it?

Let them sell their own opinions... over there where we don't have to stomach it.


But go ahead and post what ever you want. I was just saying.

 

[Dr.3D]

The anger in this diary feeds my very soul. These people really think that they are part of the oligarchy known as the federal government!!! ROFL It's frightening and amusing at the same time!!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...is-a-Big-Fat-Million-Dollar-Welfare-Dead-Beat

Those folks sound like some kind of animals who are afraid if something happens to their keeper they might stop being fed and taken care of.

 

[James Otis Jr.]

Has Ron Paul commented on the standoff?

 

[Danke]

I think this demonstrates that the progressive democrats are the most willing to use lethal force and will slaughter anyone even for some dried up grass in the middle of the desert NOBODY else is using. The history of their presidents prove it.
They really think that welfare line is a really powerful line. Talk about hate.

Sadly, I think you are correct.

 

[gwax23]

Has Ron Paul commented on the standoff?

I have the same question. And what about Rand?

 

[Danke]

Lest one forget. There are many in the arm forces and police departments that don't agree with the Federal Government's action.

Many of those good ol' boys come from farms and ranches. I'm related to two of them. And served with many others.

That plus others that are fed up at this point for a myriad reasons, this shit won't stand.

Even if Bundy ultimately loses, the force only gets stronger.

I'm a single white male witnessing his parents, and other elders that are relatives, live in a deteriorated state. Some not remembering one moment to the next.

Do you think I am alone in my thoughts about the state of America? Do you think I relish the day I'm in a nursing home not knowing where I am at?

Molon labe. Molon labe.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Looks like I'm late to the forum, but have been following the story and read all the threads. Seems most everything has been said, but I'll say--or repeat--that these people need our thanks as much as possible. That's the Bundys, the militias, protesters, people on the scene, donors, and everybody who contributed in any way they could.

We all know how the military has their Thank a Soldier Campaign down to science and an art. We need to do the same. We all know how a "thank you" in our daily lives makes such a huge difference. It might seem like small words, but it's very, very powerful. If people here are commenting on any internet news story, Youtube video, etc., then I suggest first using your energy for a "thank you" before debating anyone who opposes you. You'll get your own surge of energy and provide some energy to someone else.

This is also a good victory and a very, very good lesson. It's big not only in the context of a very different outcome, but it shows the importance of armed defense. There is no way this would have been accomplished without arms. This is the ONLY thing these people understand. It's force or nothing.

Thank you Bundys and to everyone else involved!!!!!!!!!

 

[fr33]

Cliven Bundy has given us a template that works. Raise enough hell about injustice and attract enough people to do something about it.

Lest one forget. There are many in the arm forces and police departments that don't agree with the Federal Government's action.

Many of those good ol' boys come from farms and ranches. I'm related to two of them. And served with many others.

That plus others that are fed up at this point for a myriad reasons, this shit won't stand.

Even if Bundy ultimately loses, the force only gets stronger.

I'm a single white male witnessing his parents, and other elders that are relatives, live in a deteriorated state. Some not remembering one moment to the next.

Do you think I am alone in my thoughts about the state of America? Do you think I relish the day I'm in a nursing home not knowing where I am at?

Molon labe. Molon labe.

Oh yeah. I agree. I know plenty of good ol' boys that will fall for some egregious shit against foreigners but when they see something that they can identify with, the knives come out. This Bundy incident is a bonding opportunity for conservatives and libertarians.

 

[AuH20]

Fedbook is blocking some video links of the incident?

 

[Tod]

Fedbook is blocking some video links of the incident?

Dunno about that but I sure have been having issues with it for the past several days, where it just won't load....."connecting" indefinitely. Only a couple of short windows where I've been able to get on lately. Everything else I visit works fine, just not FB.

 

[tod evans]

Heads up!





Feds to pursue effort to end dispute with rancher

http://www.weirtondailytimes.com/pa...end-dispute-with-rancher.html?isap=1&nav=5015

A day after blinking in a showdown on the range, federal land managers pledged to pursue efforts to resolve a conflict with a southern Nevada rancher who has refused to pay grazing fees for 20 years.

Bureau of Land Management spokesman Craig Leff said the agency would continue to try to resolve the matter involving rancher Cliven Bundy "administratively and judicially." Bundy owes more than $1 million in grazing fees, according to the bureau.

"The door isn't closed. We'll figure out how to move forward with this," he said Sunday. He declined to comment on possible options.

Bundy did not respond to requests for comment.

The fight between Bundy and the Bureau of Land Management widened into a debate about states' rights and federal land-use policy. Bundy does not recognize federal authority on land he insists belongs to Nevada.

On Saturday, the bureau released about 400 head of cattle it had seized from Bundy back to him only hours after announcing a premature halt to the roundup due to safety concerns. The operation, expected to take up to a month, ended after only a week.

The cattle were freed after hundreds of states' rights protesters, some of them armed militia members, showed up at corrals outside Mesquite to demand the animals' release.

Las Vegas Police Lt. Dan Zehnder told The Associated Press that Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie was able to negotiate a resolution after talking with Bundy.

But Leff stressed that the bureau did not take part in the negotiations.

"The BLM and National Park Service did not cut any deal and negotiate anything," he said. "There was no deal we made."

The several hundred cows gathered during the roundup were short of the BLM's goal of 900 cows that it says have been trespassing on U.S. land without required grazing permits for over 20 years.

The showdown over Bundy's cattle was the latest chapter in the Sagebrush Rebellion, which was launched by Nevada lawmakers in the 1970s in an attempt to turn control of federal land to the states.

Environmentalists accused the bureau of capitulating to threats of violence from armed Bundy supporters and urged them to pursue action against the rancher.

"The BLM has a sacred duty to manage our public lands in the public interest, to treat all users equally and fairly," said Rob Mrowka, senior scientist with the Center for Biological Diversity. "Instead it is allowing a freeloading rancher and armed thugs to seize hundreds of thousands of acres of the people's land as their own fiefdom."

"The BLM is setting a dangerous precedent in announcing that it will pick and choose who has to follow federal laws and who it will reward for violating them," he added.

Leff declined to comment, reiterating that the bureau's top concern was the safety of its employees and the public.

In April 2012, the Center for Biological Diversity filed a notice of intent to sue the bureau for canceling a planned roundup of Bundy's cattle at the last minute.

The dispute that ultimately triggered last week's roundup dates to 1993, when the bureau cited concern for the federally protected desert tortoise in the region.

The bureau was implementing two federal court orders issued last year to remove Bundy's cattle after making repeated efforts to resolve the matter outside court.



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A snip from Infowars that repeats the same thing;

“The door isn’t closed. We’ll figure out how to move forward with this,” BLM spokesman Craig Leff told the Associated Press, adding, “The BLM and National Park Service did not cut any deal and negotiate anything, there was no deal we made.”
This completely contradicts reports on Saturday which stated that, “A deal has been reached between the Bundy family and the Bureau of Land Management.”

http://www.infowars.com/blm-flip-flops-no-deal-on-dropping-actions-against-bundy/

 

[FloralScent]

Those folks sound like some kind of animals who are afraid if something happens to their keeper they might stop being fed and taken care of.

The vast majority are most likely public employees or some other form of parasite.