Arizona Latinos Lose Their Cool While the Cameras Roll

[sofia]

dont make these immigrants sound like martyrs...

the illegal ones are lawbreakers...

even most of the legal ones are Obama voters who will vote you into tyrannical ...
government...

we need to send them back, cuz if you think these hordes of Latino Obama-bot voters could ever be converted to "libertarianism"....well.....a huge LOL to that

 

[MelissaWV]

dont make these immigrants sound like martyrs...

the illegal ones are lawbreakers...

even most of the legal ones are Obama voters who will vote you into tyrannical ...
government...

we need to send them back, cuz if you think these hordes of Latino Obama-bot voters could ever be converted to "libertarianism"....well.....a huge LOL to that

I didn't make them sound like martyrs.

The illegal ones ARE, in fact, lawbreakers. The legal ones, though, are citizens... just like you (okay, well, kind of) and me. They have that silly right to be secure from random searches unless there's reasonable suspicion of a crime, only now the crime is "you look like one of THEM... papers, please, and I'm going to frisk you for contraband and any dangerous items so I can be safe."

Where's your crusade to get rid of all the other people who voted for Obama? This entire COUNTRY has a serious problem with wanting Government to help them. Those that didn't vote for Obama, by and large, voted for McCain. Do you really think McCain was the "small Government" option? No. Let's send all of them back, too, okay? No? Why not? Is there some OTHER reason you're not telling us about?

You're right, though, on one thing. As long as this board has a few choice people who talk about entire groups as being "beyond help" and "responsible for all the ills," the few of us who fit the description will wonder what the fuck we're doing here, and anyone else who sees themselves dismissed might wonder if it's worth donating time or money to any of these efforts at all.

 

[VegasPatriot]

As long as this board has a few choice people who talk about entire groups as being "beyond help" and "responsible for all the ills," the few of us who fit the description will wonder what the fuck we're doing here, and anyone else who sees themselves dismissed might wonder if it's worth donating time or money to any of these efforts at all.

+1

 

[fuzzybekool]

Amazing how Liberals can always justify using violence, and the media of course never questions them about it.

 

[stu2002]

Latinos Gone Wild--new on TruTV

 

[Cowlesy]

I think this whole thing is just very sad.

I agree with your sentiment that it is very sad. It is sad to me to think that Americans of mexican or latin-american descent feel threatened about being arrested in their own country. It causes them to draw back into ethno-centric corners where the La-Raza types can win them over using racial arguments.

However we can't deny we have a massive illegal immigration problem. Common sense suggests that the majority of those illegal immigrants crossing the southern border are mexicans. I wish law enforcement would focus their work on violent criminals. I wish the Arizona National Guard would secure their border. I wish citizens of Arizona would work at striking at the root issues like drug laws that provide financial incentive to drug smugglers. I wish lawmakers in Arizona would focus on businesses who utilize illegal immigrant labor.

Targeting the illegal immigrants who are waiting at Home Depot at 6:00AM to go do lawn-work for ten hours straight seems like an extremely misguided approach.

Lots of wishful thinking.

Also, does anyone have an impartial, unbiased analysis of this bill? Has anyone actually read the bill?

Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
Emotional issues are great for getting people to forgo logical thought.

 

[AlexMerced]

I'm really tired of this issue, we all proclaim individualism and then fall into a collectivst framework when talking about this issue... it's really frustrating.

What will happen in Arizona... they'll kill their tourism since foreigners will be scared to visit, which will kill all sorts of businesses meaning less jobs so things will only get worst. The illegals will just move and continue business as usual while arizonas economy nose dives with the lost tourism... and since the illegals will be gone there will be no one to blame it on but themselves.

Immigration hostility is only symptom, of a shrinking economy, which is a problem caused by a growing public/private sector ratio. Until we fix that... complaining about immigrants just isn't very productive. Should the laws be enforced, yes, should we resent people, no that's just divisive and counter productive.

 

[Pete_00]

Except "Latinos" come in every color along the spectrum, so your "whites" comment is silly and ignorant (surprise!).

How kind of you to notice the several self-identified (we're taking their word for it, or rather the media's) Latinos who were throwing water bottles, but not the many, many, many of them that were not.

I hope you get a hug today, even if it is from a brown person.

That is EXACTLY why i used "latinos" with brackets

And i wasnt paying much attention to the throwing of water bottles, i was looking at the "big picture", the "big picture" that "sofia" expressed perfectly...

dont make these immigrants sound like martyrs...

the illegal ones are lawbreakers...

even most of the legal ones are Obama voters who will vote you into tyrannical ...
government...

we need to send them back, cuz if you think these hordes of Latino Obama-bot voters could ever be converted to "libertarianism"....well.....a huge LOL to that

Exactly! The "reformed hippies" here are very very naive when it comes to the issue of race and ethnocentrism. This whole immigration and non-white ethnocentrism is an extremely powerful weapon, it completly corrupts representative democracy, millions of racist robots voting the entire nation into tyranny.

I already expressed here that its good for EVERYONE that people of European origin start to develop the ethnocentrism that was brainwashed-out from their heads. Im not nazi, in fact i stated several times that they were all a bunch of butch-homosexuals that wanted to recreate ancient Greece.

Euro is beautiful TOO

 

[speciallyblend]

I didn't make them sound like martyrs.

The illegal ones ARE, in fact, lawbreakers. The legal ones, though, are citizens... just like you (okay, well, kind of) and me. They have that silly right to be secure from random searches unless there's reasonable suspicion of a crime, only now the crime is "you look like one of THEM... papers, please, and I'm going to frisk you for contraband and any dangerous items so I can be safe."

Where's your crusade to get rid of all the other people who voted for Obama? This entire COUNTRY has a serious problem with wanting Government to help them. Those that didn't vote for Obama, by and large, voted for McCain. Do you really think McCain was the "small Government" option? No. Let's send all of them back, too, okay? No? Why not? Is there some OTHER reason you're not telling us about?

You're right, though, on one thing. As long as this board has a few choice people who talk about entire groups as being "beyond help" and "responsible for all the ills," the few of us who fit the description will wonder what the fuck we're doing here, and anyone else who sees themselves dismissed might wonder if it's worth donating time or money to any of these efforts at all.

+1

 

[MelissaWV]

I agree with your sentiment that it is very sad. It is sad to me to think that Americans of mexican or latin-american descent feel threatened about being arrested in their own country. It causes them to draw back into ethno-centric corners where the La-Raza types can win them over using racial arguments.

However we can't deny we have a massive illegal immigration problem. Common sense suggests that the majority of those illegal immigrants crossing the southern border are mexicans. I wish law enforcement would focus their work on violent criminals. I wish the Arizona National Guard would secure their border. I wish citizens of Arizona would work at striking at the root issues like drug laws that provide financial incentive to drug smugglers. I wish lawmakers in Arizona would focus on businesses who utilize illegal immigrant labor.

Targeting the illegal immigrants who are waiting at Home Depot at 6:00AM to go do lawn-work for ten hours straight seems like an extremely misguided approach.

Lots of wishful thinking.

Also, does anyone have an impartial, unbiased analysis of this bill? Has anyone actually read the bill?

Cowlesy, there are other threads galore on this... and in one of them, the actual law is posted. I posted my response to only two of the more "interesting" parts:

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

E. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.

What is "probable cause" of being an illegal? Not presenting your papers? Ah.

I found this section strange:

A. After December 31, 2007, every employer, after hiring an employee, shall verify the employment eligibility of the employee through the e-verify program

That "probable cause" clause is going to be so easily exploited it's not even funny... and the people going "oh good riddance this'll get rid of the Messicans!" aren't realizing it doesn't actually name illegals from any country. As I pointed out in another thread, EVERYONE looks like an illegal from SOMEwhere.

The actual problem is at employment, taxpayer-provided benefits, and at the border itself. Stopping someone on the street because they look "wrong" is something this board generally rallies against, and there are better ways to address each one of the real issues.

 

[pcosmar]

. I wish lawmakers in Arizona would focus on businesses who utilize illegal immigrant labor.

Targeting the illegal immigrants who are waiting at Home Depot at 6:00AM to go do lawn-work for ten hours straight seems like an extremely misguided approach.

Lots of wishful thinking.

I would seem more cost effective to Observe those that pick them up. Investigate and arrest those that hire them.
Stiff fines and incarceration of the offenders would be both a deterrent and revenue source to offset enforcement.
The problem would soon be eliminated.

 

[Freedom Forever]

You can't blame the illegals for being unhappy. Government has not enforced the immigration law in nearly 20 years and now suddenly Government decides to crack down. Some of these illegals have been working in the United States for over 20 years. Illegals who have worked in the US for over 6 years should be legalized.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

YouTube - Apr. 23, 2010 - Arizona SB1070: "Small Riot Breaks Out at Immigration Protest" -part 2\2

And the irony award goes to the kid who yells:

"Get that white guy! Fucking racist!"

 

[puppetmaster]

You can't blame the illegals for being unhappy. Government has not enforced the immigration law in nearly 20 years and now suddenly Government decides to crack down. Some of these illegals have been working in the United States for over 20 years. Illegals who have worked in the US for over 6 years should be legalized.

OK have to create a new department for this...more taxes to run the newly created dept. Hey buddy fill this form out, tell us you worked under the table for...wait.... what company was that? hmm here comes the IRS......
How would verify work, I cut grass for my brother in law and he is illegal also, but trust me i worked? this would be a huge cluster F%$k and would only cause more problems

your plan has many flaws. the whole mess stinks!

 

[BigSteve]

http://amren.com/features/hispanics/index.html

 

[MelissaWV]

http://amren.com/features/hispanics/index.html

That's fascinating and very telling.

The characteristics of these populations are often quite different, with Cuban immigrants generally more economically successful than those from Mexico, Central America, or Puerto Rico.

For instance, I've now learned that, although born an American citizen, you'd consider me an "immigrant."

Because of their low incomes, Hispanics are the major population group most likely to use welfare: In 2004, 50 percent of Hispanic households used at least one form of welfare, compared to 47 percent of blacks and 18 percent of whites (see Figure 6).

Of course, when you look at the site they refer to...

[Numbers in thousands. People who lived with someone (a nonrelative or a relative) who received aid. Not every person tallied here received the aid themselves]

So having larger households would skew these numbers.

I had much more typed out, but honestly, screw it. No one is going to change anyone's mind. This is a great opportunity for people to pitch civil liberties for CITIZENS out the window in order to get rid of illegals. Rather than focus on intelligent ways to hone in on illegals (of all races), legislators are going to ride the tide of dissatisfaction with a portion of the Mexican population and get what they ultimately want.

 

[angelatc]

I'm not going to get fired up about this. I think "Probable cause" has some specific meanings in legalese, although I wouldn't be surprised if Bobby24 corrected me either.

If the police pull over a drunk who can't speak English, then they should have the right to check out his citizenship status. It's no different than checking for outstanding warrants.

 

[low preference guy]

I'm not going to get fired up about this. I think "Probable cause" has some specific meanings in legalese, although I wouldn't be surprised if Bobby24 corrected me either.

If the police pull over a drunk who can't speak English, then they should have the right to check out his citizenship status. It's no different than checking for outstanding warrants.

The problem angelatc is that "reasonable cause" is not defined. They can literally detain anyone, citizen or not. And they can't use profiling, so some white Americans will also be asked for their documents to show they do "diverse searches". I won't be surprised if some citizen gets outraged and refuses to show documents, he then gets tasered and some cop shoots him saying he "seemed to have a weapon". I can almost guarantee it will happen.

 

[angelatc]

The problem angelatc is that "reasonable cause" is not defined.

Are you a lawyer?

 

[micahnelson]

We don't have enough jobs to support the immigration.
Our social safety net is unsustainable.

We don't solve the problem by stopping immigration. We solve the problem by creating more jobs in America and reforming and reducing the scope of our social safety net.

When jobs are a plenty and nobody "lives off the government", only racists would have a concern about immigration.