ARG Poll shows Gingrich doing well w/ Evangelicals, Paul not so much

[ConsideringRonPaul]

I know ARG isn't the most reliable of polling companies, but the numbers can't be that skewed. They have Gingrich at 40% support from evangelical Christians and Ron at 10%. Some things need to be hammered in to South Carolinians immediately. First, Newt doesn't believe that life begins at conception, but rather implantation (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gin...n-because-would-open-very-difficult-questions). Second, Newt supports a some embryonic stem cell research which results in the destruction of fetuses (http://www.redstate.com/constitutio...e-conscience-of-newt-gingrich-hes-pro-choice/). Finally, he is not even an evangelical, he converted to Catholicism. The emphasis to South Carolinians on these issues should be that Paul is more consistent on issues of life and is a Baptist like many of the voters down there. There's much more to hit Newt on, but, from the Christian standpoint, these are good.

 

[Duckman]

Evangelical outreach is good. Last I heard "love thy neighbor" was still big!

 

[davidhperry]

I wouldn't worry about FL so much right now, at least not in the next week. If we do well in SC (especially beating Newt), then that number drastically changes in our favor.

 

[Lord Xar]

This is what I do NOT understand..

So Newt cheats on two of his wives.. thus breaking a covenant he made with God when he got married. He also broke it with his wife, at the time, and family.

Ok.. he messed up.. lets forgive him.

He does it again.. ok.. two strikes, spit in Gods face.

THEN he is fined 300k for ethics violations as speaker of the house.. and booted.

YET - A group of people who are suppose to value a "good soul", "honesty", "truthfulness" and "trustworthyness" choose Newt?

WE HAVE JUMPED THE SHARK!!

I do NOT get the hypocrisy. I really don't.

 

[jersdream]

Must be for war against Muslims to be accepted by evangelicals.

 

[coffeewithgames]

This is what I do NOT understand..

So Newt cheats on two of his wives.. thus breaking a covenant he made with God when he got married. He also broke it with his wife, at the time, and family.

Ok.. he messed up.. lets forgive him.

He does it again.. ok.. two strikes, spit in Gods face.

THEN he is fined 300k for ethics violations as speaker of the house.. and booted.

YET - A group of people who are suppose to value a "good soul", "honesty", "truthfulness" and "trustworthyness" choose Newt?

WE HAVE JUMPED THE SHARK!!

I do NOT get the hypocrisy. I really don't.

I feel your frustration, I really do...
I was born/raised in church, and my wife and I attend (just had that conversation actually), and I'm just so amazed at how these people think/don't think.

 

[lilymc]

This is what I do NOT understand..

So Newt cheats on two of his wives.. thus breaking a covenant he made with God when he got married. He also broke it with his wife, at the time, and family.

Ok.. he messed up.. lets forgive him.

He does it again.. ok.. two strikes, spit in Gods face.

THEN he is fined 300k for ethics violations as speaker of the house.. and booted.

YET - A group of people who are suppose to value a "good soul", "honesty", "truthfulness" and "trustworthyness" choose Newt?

WE HAVE JUMPED THE SHARK!!

I do NOT get the hypocrisy. I really don't.

It doesn't make sense to me either, at all. It leads me to believe that maybe those 'evangelicals' are actually just cultural Christians, not true followers.

 

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

I wish there was a way to get a copy of the VVS speech into the hands of every evangelical in SC. I know at VVS they were handing out DVD's of his speech from the faith & freedom conference and that would be a good one as well.

 

[nasaal]

This is what I do NOT understand..

So Newt cheats on two of his wives.. thus breaking a covenant he made with God when he got married. He also broke it with his wife, at the time, and family.

Ok.. he messed up.. lets forgive him.

He does it again.. ok.. two strikes, spit in Gods face.

THEN he is fined 300k for ethics violations as speaker of the house.. and booted.

YET - A group of people who are suppose to value a "good soul", "honesty", "truthfulness" and "trustworthyness" choose Newt?

WE HAVE JUMPED THE SHARK!!

I do NOT get the hypocrisy. I really don't.

Bush managed the same. People who are forceful of their beliefs are generally ignorant and do what they are told by people in places of authority.

 

[CMoore]

Must be for war against Muslims to be accepted by evangelicals.

You got it. His stand on Israel is going to kill him with evangelicals. Hopefully there are enough non-evangelicals to out vote the evangelicals. They believe that you have to "support" Israel or God will not bless you. "Support" is defined as unquestioning loyalty and financial and military support. Nevermind that Israeli leaders have basically said they can take care of themselves, we must "support" Israel nevertheless. This is a religious belief not a logical conclusion. We won't win this one with these people. I would be interested in hearing from some self-identified evangelicals who do not hold to this.

 

[JJ2]

You got it. His stand on Israel is going to kill him with evangelicals. Hopefully there are enough non-evangelicals to out vote the evangelicals. They believe that you have to "support" Israel or God will not bless you. "Support" is defined as unquestioning loyalty and financial and military support. Nevermind that Israeli leaders have basically said they can take care of themselves, we must "support" Israel nevertheless. This is a religious belief not a logical conclusion. We won't win this one with these people. I would be interested in hearing from some self-identified evangelicals who do not hold to this.

I am an evangelical Christian. I believe that Israel is God's chosen people and that He has not rejected them (I reject "Replacement Theology" which says that the Christian Church "replaced" Israel). I believe that the Jews coming back into their land of Israel was a fulfillment of very specific Bible prophecy. I believe that Christians should be pro-Israel and support them, but this does not mean that we must always agree with, or condone, everything the state of Israel does (my pastor has said this many times). As far as the US government is concerned, I would not be able to support a President who is anti-Israel (which is what I consider Obama). Until recently, however, I did consider "pro-Israel" to mean the US should give them financial aid, as well as military assistance when needed, until I have found that they do not need or want it.

One thing that was very striking to me was that we give more foreign aid to Israel's enemies than we give to Israel!

So I wouldn't say that Evangelicals can't change their minds about this, they just need the facts, such as the above. (And it's not all "Evangelicals" that believe Israel is spiritually significant, by the way, mainly just Dispensationalist, or Dispensationalist-leaning, evangelicals.)

Does this help?

 

[Dr_SCN]

I'm an evangelical and I studied at a Baptist university. To be honest I get confused wit the different dispensations etc.. I can't remember them anymore.

I always read it that through Christ we are all God's chosen people, that is, whoever is a follower of Christ is his people. Also I thought that there were admonitions in the old testament that referred to a time when strangers would live with Israelites and for them to be nice to them (I'm completely paraphrasing and probably remembering a scripture out of context)

Anyway... so I don't think we need to support them militarily. Also, even as a teenager I was skeptical that our political leadership would ever support Israel out of religious beliefs. I thought politicians had to have their own agenda. I don't know how anyone could ever believe a politician (except for Ron Paul). The bible says that you should be as meek as lambs, but as wise as serpents. I don't think all Christians are being as wise as they ought to be.

All that being said, I knew some Christians who were very pro Israel because they thought that Israel represents God's chosen and we should support them.

 

[lilymc]

but this does not mean that we must always agree with, or condone, everything the state of Israel does (my pastor has said this many times). As far as the US government is concerned, I would not be able to support a President who is anti-Israel (which is what I consider Obama).

Exactly. I'm also an evangelical Christian, but I don't believe that supporting Israel means agreeing with everything they do, or supporting actions of theirs that are clearly wrong. (obviously) And I agree with you that being pro-Israel doesn't mean that we should give them foreign aid, in the same way I don't believe that generational welfare (government dependency) truly "helps" someone. Ron Paul explains it well, maybe many people still haven't heard his take on this?

I put together this short video, please feel free to share it with anyone who has the wrong idea about Ron Paul's position on Israel.

 

[nowwearefree]

i kind of understand why those evangelical Christians would support newt even though he cheated on his wife etc

I have really bad personal experience with evangelical Christians, they tend to be very simple minded people. They just "believe" in the media, the way they believe in the BiBible, they rarely question the bible or msm, a lot of them are brainwashed since young to obey and belief without thinking too much. Therefore when the media , or the church leader says they should support newt, they would. Because they are programmed to, and are easily brainwashed.

I do know not all evangelical christians are like that, and there are exceptions, but i do think that is the norm. And I am not saying whether the bible is the truth or not, the bible might represent the truth, i am merely saying Christian in general, or at leas the type of christian being used by the church, often does not provoke or encourage critical thinking. Compare to buddhism, where one ought to ask a lot of questions because it is like a philosophy or atheist, who like to question and think a lot

That is just my honest opinion and i hope i have not offended any one.

 

[Kevin Smyth]

Must be for war against Muslims to be accepted by evangelicals.

You got it! Catholic, Protestant, doesn't make any difference to them, what they find important is war against Muslims to defend Israel.

 

[Kevin Smyth]

i kind of understand why those evangelical Christians would support newt even though he cheated on his wife etc

I have really bad personal experience with evangelical Christians, they tend to be very simple minded people. They just "believe" in the media, the way they believe in the BiBible, they rarely question the bible or msm, a lot of them are brainwashed since young to obey and belief without thinking too much. Therefore when the media , or the church leader says they should support newt, they would. Because they are programmed to, and are easily brainwashed.

I do know not all evangelical christians are like that, and there are exceptions, but i do think that is the norm. And I am not saying whether the bible is the truth or not, the bible might represent the truth, i am merely saying Christian in general, or at leas the type of christian being used by the church, often does not provoke or encourage critical thinking. Compare to buddhism, where one ought to ask a lot of questions because it is like a philosophy or atheist, who like to question and think a lot

That is just my honest opinion and i hope i have not offended any one.

You are right, it isn't a thinking culture, it is a culture of group think and follow the leader.

 

[Rincewind]

This is what I do NOT understand..

So Newt cheats on two of his wives.. thus breaking a covenant he made with God when he got married. He also broke it with his wife, at the time, and family.

Ok.. he messed up.. lets forgive him.

He does it again.. ok.. two strikes, spit in Gods face.

THEN he is fined 300k for ethics violations as speaker of the house.. and booted.

YET - A group of people who are suppose to value a "good soul", "honesty", "truthfulness" and "trustworthyness" choose Newt?

WE HAVE JUMPED THE SHARK!!

I do NOT get the hypocrisy. I really don't.

Catholic who cheats on two of his wives.

See, Santorum I get, because at least he's got the crazy-ass social conservative chops.

Newt's appeal to evangelicals, on the other hand, is a complete gorram mystery.

 

[Cyberbrain]

What nowwearefree said more or less, though there are many independent-minded individuals there with whom we can at least get a foothold in the evangelical community, especially on the abortion issue.

 

[pacelli]

They're going to surge Gingrich for SC. They did a mini-surge on RP right after NH to throw us a bone, but by the time SC happens they will recycle the plastic candidates.

 

[green73]

Does the poll also say that they just vote for whomever the preacher man says? That's how forthy surged so much Iowa. The preachers were told to herd their flocks his way.