ARG Final Poll: Brown 52 - Coakley 45

[tangent4ronpaul]

And if Brown is the deciding vote for War with Iran? People need to look long-term, and not focus on short-term. We've been doing the short-term thing for 100 years, and it doesn't work.

Could you please explain your logic?

Let me spell this out for you. Brown would be the deciding vote in ONE, and only ONE very specific situation. A 100% partisan vote, where all the dems are voting for passage and all the repubs are voting against passage. In this very specific situation, he can vote with his party and block passage, or he can break with his party and allow passage. If he breaks with his party, there are repercussions in what he will be able to do politically - amendments and bills blocked, lack of co-sponsors from his side of the isle, etc. Kind of creats a hostile work environment. He's a predictable republican, so expect him to generally vote with his party on partisan bills. If the dem wins, it's the status quo and the dems maintain their super majority, and can push through Obama's agenda on party lines.

Further a Freshman Senator has very little power. It's unusual for for them to introduce any legislation, get time on the podium, bottom of the totem pole for committees, etc. Additionally, there is a good chance he will be voted out of office in 2012. Now that Kennedy has some name and issue recognition, if he actually tried to win in 2012 there is a good chance he might.

As to going to war with Iran - do you seriously believe that would be a partisan vote with the Dems taking ownership of it? - NOT! There will be repub halks that will support it, and Brown would not be the deciding vote - rather one vote, maybe, in favor of it.

To quote Ron Paul:

There is a tremendous anti-incumbent, anti-Washington sentiment in America. Politicians across the country face a sea change as outraged Americans threaten to vote them out. While I think this development is a good thing, I am going to have to work hard to ensure I am not caught up in the same wave and swept out of office before our job is done.

That means there is going to be a significant house cleaning in 2010 and 2012. The dems will loose more as they have more slots and people are pissed off at the crap they have been pushing through, but the repubs are going to loose big too. A lot of those neocons you bitch about are going to get the boot.

One of the predicted side effects of a Brown win is many vulnerable democrats and republicans deciding to retire rather than face a tough election and loose. That makes it a lot easier to get a liberty candidate elected into their slot.

Additionally, his getting elected effectively puts the brakes on Obama's agenda. Once a bill becomes law, it's almost impossible to get it repealed. So how much more of Obama's crap do you want to have to live with forever? - How much do you want to impose on your grandkids?

Like you keep berating me to do - think long term.

You haven't thought this thing through.

-t

 

[Krugerrand]

hopefully the neo-con republicans stay home. if brown wins. this is a huge loss for the liberty gop. this will be the same failed gop leadership and same failed platform. the best thing for the gop is for the neo-con leaders to lose and keep losing.. so much for change in the gop. glad we will keep them in check in colorado until they actually change.

I'd refer back to Pat's piece: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=227199

That anybody other than a Democrat could put up a close fight in such a Blue state that went so strongly for Obama is a huge slap in the face to the DEM leadership. It should be remembered that Obama's success was a slap to Bush's way as well. Hopefully those who espouse liberty can keep the focus on Liberty is the true alternative to these votes 'against.'

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

I'd refer back to Pat's piece: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=227199

That anybody other than a Democrat could put up a close fight in such a Blue state that went so strongly for Obama is a huge slap in the face to the DEM leadership. It should be remembered that Obama's success was a slap to Bush's way as well. Hopefully those who espouse liberty can keep the focus on Liberty is the true alternative to these votes 'against.'

As noted above, expect a HUGE house cleaning in November!!!!

Someone on FOX Sunday noted that in the past year, there had ben 65 state races were an incumbent had been unseated. There is a HUGE anti-incumbent sentiment in the country right now. Our strategy is wrong. We've pretty much agreed that it's better to run fewer candidates so we can significantly support them financially. Instead, we should be running candidates for just about every House and Senate seat that we can.

-t

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Granted, not a MA poll, but the number of hits you get on google searches is an interesting metric. This one is incredibly lopsided....

First line in Brown, second is Coakley:

48,100,000
2,040,000

-t

 

[sarahgop]

thats aamzing.

 

[jclay2]

Granted, not a MA poll, but the number of hits you get on google searches is an interesting metric. This one is incredibly lopsided....

First line in Brown, second is Coakley:

48,100,000
2,040,000

-t

That is pretty funny. I just checked intrade and it has brown coakley at about 85%, 15%. Looks like today will mark the death of healthcare, cap&trade, or about anything controversial in the near term.

 

[No1ButPaul08]

That is pretty funny. I just checked intrade and it has brown coakley at about 85%, 15%. Looks like today will mark the death of healthcare, cap&trade, or about anything controversial in the near term.

This is the most important point. Brown's positions hardly matter as long as he's a solid GOP vote the next two years. He knows if he wins he's done for in 2012.

What some people here don't seem to understand Brown winning sends one giant message to the Democrats. STOP. It really doesn't even matter what he stands for.

 

[parocks]

I don't think any of this is going to turn out like you guys think, and it's going to take the inevitable betrayal and only that to convince you guys how dumb an idea this was because you were so dead set against knocking down Obama you actually trusted the neocons.

Dead set against?

Is that a freudian slip there?

Brown supporters are not "dead set against knocking down Obama" Brown supporters are the opposite.

Brown supporters don't have any complicated theories about Brown. Will he vote against Obamacare? He said yes. I would be surprised if he, after promising to vote against Obamacare, went ahead and voted for it anyway. Will he vote more frequently against Obama than Coakley would? I think that he would.