Are You Aware of Your ‘Thin Privilege?’

I've decided to change my lifestyle to rid myself of my thin privilege. I'm changing my diet to 90% simple carbohydrates (the more processed and artificial ingredients the better) and will cease all forms of exercise. I do this altruistically for the betterment of society.
 
Can you stop nitpicking?

There are about 50 people in the entire country that make their own potato chips (and that's being generous). If someone said, "I had some potato chips with sandwich at lunch" there's a 99.9% chance that they're referring to a bag of Fritolays, or Better Made, or some other chip made in a factory somewhere. Actual potato chips = Pepsi chips because thats what normal people mean when they say "potato chips."

I'll agree with you that everything sold at McDonald's is poison, but I would still take one of their chicken sandwiches over a cake, even if it's homemade from scratch (again, how many people do this? Virtually no one. It's either from the Wal-Mart bakery or its made from some boxed mix). Large quantities of sugar, even if it's high quality, is terrible.

So you admit that your categorization of all cake and potato chips as "poison" was silly. Accepted.

It's weird to hear you say that you'd assume they were bagged. I'd actually assume they were fresh unless they said "a bag of chips."

It's also obviously so rare that there are appliances dedicated to making your own chips from a variety of vegetables.

I guess we just run in different circles, just as we view different things as healthy or unhealthy.
 
Any expenditure of will is too much. Yes, it will be relatively easy the first time, just as it was for Oprah: stick to 1,200 calories a day and several weeks later, voila!, mission accomplished. Then you will gain the weight back. All the research shows you will gain the weight back. You will gain the weight back. The second time, it will be harder. Then you will gain the weight back. The third time, it will be even harder. Then you will gain the weight back.

1,200 calories a day is far below any adult's BMR. We've been over this. There will be an initial drop in weight, while your metabolism is still trying to operate at higher levels, but such a severe reduction will inevitably cause your metabolism to slow down, and then even a small rise in caloric intake will result in rapid weight gain. A daily 200 calorie deficit from your Total Daily Energy Expenditure wouldn't even be noticeable except for maybe 2 hours a day. It would certainly be easier than a calorie deficit by intermittent fasting.

You have no research whatsoever on your side, of which I am aware. The fact that you have assiduously ignored and avoided saying anything responding to my requests for actual research verifying your theories tells me you are not aware of any either. So why do you believe your theory, if you have no scientific evidence to support it? Because it sounds plausible to you. Well it sounds plausible to me, too. It just happens to not be true. Follow the science, Enoch.

I've provided a theory of weight gain and loss based on science. You've provided no alternative, just claims that it isn't true. "Something is short circuited" with no explanation of what or why is as far as you've gotten, and you've offered no alternative suggestion to weight loss other than that it can't have anything to do with a caloric deficit and that the Primal Blueprint might work, except that the PB does use caloric restriction.

Was I unclear about what that means? Let me try again:

  • Life forms seek to survive and be healthy.
  • Life forms that have stuck around and are still with us are successful at this quest.
  • Life builds in a variety of biological regulating mechanisms to keep things in the "sweet spot" for that given life form.
  • These mechanisms are very robust and flexible. If a life form is too fragile and prone to failure, then, surprise: it will fail!

None of that tells me anything about "mechanisms seeking a happy equilibrium are being short-circuited somehow." What mechanisms? How are they short circuited? What's causing it?

Here are some examples of things that should not break biological mechanisms:

  • Boredom
  • Emotions
  • Struggles
  • Presence of other people
  • Awareness of time
Boredom has, sadly, been with mankind since time immemorial. Most experts agree that emotions are not, it turns out, an innovation invented in the 20th century. Struggles, last I checked, are likewise not new to the scene. Adam had things all to himself, but ever since Eve absolute solitude has not been a viable long-term option -- other people were always present, and they sometimes would be eating. Humans are spacial-temporal beings, and as such have been aware of time all along.

Since all these things are constants, not variables, it is impossible that they could be the cause of any new phenomenon.

They are new to the extent experienced today. As someone familiar with economic history, you know, at the very least, that boredom was not so much of an issue in decades and centuries past. The average work week has been cut in half just over the last 150 years and that doesn't include time saved from washing machines, microwaves, vacuum cleaners, automobiles, and so forth. Nor did they have at their disposal an unlimited supply of high calorie food. Modern preservatives, refrigeration, shipping, and mass production provided that. In primitive times the list of tasks necessary for long term survival was nearly unlimited. You know this. The division of labor was minimal, and lack of technology severely restricted trade and production.

Thank you for this revelation.

You seemed unsure.

"mechanisms seeking a happy equilibrium are being short-circuited somehow."Actually, for many people groups throughout the world, unlimited access to food was their reality and their experience. Climate is kind to the lower latitudes. Hawaii. Polynesia. India. Yet these peoples did not have widespread obesity problems. Why?

My theory provides an answer. Yours provides none.

You haven't actually stated a theory, just hinted that you have one. My theory does provide an explanation. First, you massively over estimate the reliability of their food supply. Famine has periodically killed millions in India for thousands of years. The whole cow-worship thing came about because milking cows provided a more reliable source of food over the long term than killing it and eating the meat. Storms also wipe out the food supply of entire countries in the lower latitudes. "Famine cannibalism" was a thing on many Pacific islands even into the mid 1800's. Second, the food they were eating was less calorie dense than what is often eaten in America today.

This is a very nice theory. According to it, construction workers should be the healthiest and thinnest people around, since they are active all day.

That turns out to not be the case.

Non-snackers should also be thinner than snackers.

That turns out to not be the case.

There just is no science supporting anything you say, as good as it all sounds.

No. My theory is calories in - calories out. If you eat a lot of calories, and sit around all day, you are going to get fat. Burning a lot of calories will not result in weight loss unless you burn more than you consume. You could burn 11,000 calories a day, but if you consume 12,000, you're going to gain weight. That has nothing to do with snackers or non-snackers.

Again, this is a statement about physics more than a useful statement about biology.

Biology can't break the laws of physics.

Given the actual results of actual research into weight-loss, a more apt analogy might be that it is fighting without a bug-catching net (that is, without a weapon known to not work).

Now we are getting somewhere! Exactly, as you have pointed out 2 or 3 times, the law of conservation of energy does require that all energy go somewhere. Using discipline to try to take advantage of that physics fact fails. Horribly.

However, what works is: fixing the underlying problem! If your engine is overheating because the radiator is broken, you could drive around with the hood up to get more airflow, or hot wire in a portable 12V fan, or change out the oil to a high-temperature resistant formula so that you can run hot w/o damage, or.... you could fix the radiator! If your roof is leaking because it is partially collapsed and is concave, you could rig up a drainage system to pipe the water down through your living room and out to the back yard, or you could cover the sunken area with a big blue tarp, or.... you could fix the roof!

...what?

Exactly! Since all through history and pre-history, the billions of mankind have had no obesity problem, it stands to reason that something changed to cause this very new problem. To get back to our sweet spot, we just need to undo that change. You think the change is the invention of snacking and the rise of computers. I think its a rapid and unprecedented shift in dietary makeup.

There was a big jump in the weight of average Americans in the mid-late 1990's, corresponding to the roll out of the internet. Unsurprisingly, the biggest jump was in adults in their 20's - the inability of anyone older to use the internet was a well established stereotype at the time. Americans also consumed around 500 more calories per day in 2010 than in 1970. So people are burning fewer calories by sitting around and are eating more of them. And then they get fat. That will tend to happen when you increase your caloric intake by 25% for an extended period of time.

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1,200 calories a day is far below any adult's BMR. We've been over this.
Is it? I have no idea. I don't need to care. Well, actually I do have this vague idea in the back of my mind that I remember something about a typical male needing maybe 2,000 calories per day, and a typical female something less... 1,500? But clearly this is very, very wrong, because 1,200 is "far below" not just the typical daily calorie usage, but even "far below" the basal metabolic rate of "any adult," even small ones like Oprah. So anyway, choose whatever number you feel would be more appropriate. 2,000? 2,500? 6,000? Whatever you like. If you use willpower in an attempt to restrict your calorie intake, all the research shows it will not work. Choose whatever number you like. It won't work.

I've provided a theory of weight gain and loss based on science.
If it is based on science, I'd like to see the science. Just show me some research demonstrating efficacy.

Efficacy!

Efficacy shall be our watchword. Agreed, Enoch?

If we are going to go about on message boards pontificating to people on how they should go about maintaining thin and healthy bodies, surely we should have lots of solid proof showing that our advice is bound to lead to success, rather than just a lot of hot air. And surely we should not give advice which is not just hot air, but even worse: advice for which we have lots of solid proof showing that is it bound to inevitably fail. One wouldn't want to give advice that scientists already know is certain to fail. Would one?

They are new to the extent experienced today. As someone familiar with economic history, you know, at the very least, that boredom was not so much of an issue in decades and centuries past.
That is fantastic that you can measure such things!

So you are advising people that in order to lose that unwanted fat, they should eliminate or reduce boredom from their lives. Let's design a protocol to test that theory, shall we? And then, in 10 years, after we have our proof in the form of 1,000 thin and healthy people and 1,000 still-fat ones, then it might be responsible to go about dispensing this advice to one and all, spreading the good news. But only then.

Until then? It sounds good on paper. It is yet another in the long, proud tradition of weight-loss theories that sound good on paper.

an unlimited supply of high calorie food.
Aha! An accurate statement in the rough! Again we are getting somewhere!

Second, the food they were eating was less calorie dense than what is often eaten in America today.
Hmmm!! Vveeeerry interesting!

This is what I've been saying! The nature of the food we eat has changed. The nutritional profile of our diets is completely different -- more carbohydrates, less proteins and fats. It's not about whether it's unlimited or not. If you're the first Polynesian colonists arriving in Hawaii in your canoes, you have an effectively unlimited supply of food... but not of grains and sugar. Exactly as you said: not of high-calorie foods, namely, not of grains and sugar. I appreciate you realizing your mistake and adding that qualifier, because with it, the statement becomes broadly true.

Look, Enoch, I don't mean to be mean. I hope you aren't offended nor infuriated by my playfulness. You are obviously right and correct, as far as you go. We are just talking past each other to an extent; talking about two different things. You are presenting the physics of the fuel-burning situation, which is fine. I am talking about the actual, practical, tactical, on-the-ground, "how-to" reality. That is what I was talking about. The application. The how-to. The "OK, what should I do to never get fat, or to stop being fat and never get fat again?" That is what most people are interested in when it comes to the topic of weight-loss. To the extent that you are addressing that, you are giving advice that doesn't work. You are telling people "just stop eating so much". It turns out, that doesn't work! It seems like it should. It really, really does. I understand. But it doesn't.

It really, really doesn't.

I have still not conveyed successfully my views to you. I may not be a good communicator. Perhaps someone else can do a better job. Please listen to this podcast:



The Calorie Myth
 
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Is it? I have no idea. I don't need to care. Well, actually I do have this vague idea in the back of my mind that I remember something about a typical male needing maybe 2,000 calories per day, and a typical female something less... 1,500? But clearly this is very, very wrong, because 1,200 is "far below" not just the typical daily calorie usage, but even "far below" the basal metabolic rate of "any adult," even small ones like Oprah. So anyway, choose whatever number you feel would be more appropriate. 2,000? 2,500? 6,000? Whatever you like. If you use willpower in an attempt to restrict your calorie intake, all the research shows it will not work. Choose whatever number you like. It won't work.

A 30 year old female, moderate activity level, 5' 7", and 140 lbs. has a TDEE of around 2,220 calories per day. So when Oprah was doing 1,200 per day, that's a severe calorie restriction and she did slow her metabolic rate, which is what caused her to balloon up even higher as soon as she returned to what otherwise would have been normal caloric levels. You can have a caloric deficit without feeling hungry all of the time by influencing hormones. I already mentioned Leptin as one of the key ways of doing this used by the Primal Blueprint, which is why the PB advises the limitation of grains and fruit. The Lectin in grains and the Fructose in fruit interfere with Leptin receptors. Of course, that does run contrary to your video below which advise eating anything that's grown by nature. And the weight loss itself is due to a caloric deficit and nothing else.

If it is based on science, I'd like to see the science. Just show me some research demonstrating efficacy.

Efficacy!

Efficacy shall be our watchword. Agreed, Enoch?

If we are going to go about on message boards pontificating to people on how they should go about maintaining thin and healthy bodies, surely we should have lots of solid proof showing that our advice is bound to lead to success, rather than just a lot of hot air. And surely we should not give advice which is not just hot air, but even worse: advice for which we have lots of solid proof showing that is it bound to inevitably fail. One wouldn't want to give advice that scientists already know is certain to fail. Would one?

The science that burning more calories than you take in results in weight loss? No one disputes this. Not even your own sources. Every excess 3,500 calories results in around 1 pound of weight gain. It also works in reverse.

That is fantastic that you can measure such things!

So you are advising people that in order to lose that unwanted fat, they should eliminate or reduce boredom from their lives.

Why are you deliberately misrepresenting my argument? Never mind, I know why.

Let's design a protocol to test that theory, shall we? And then, in 10 years, after we have our proof in the form of 1,000 thin and healthy people and 1,000 still-fat ones, then it might be responsible to go about dispensing this advice to one and all, spreading the good news. But only then.

Until then? It sounds good on paper. It is yet another in the long, proud tradition of weight-loss theories that sound good on paper.

Aha! An accurate statement in the rough! Again we are getting somewhere!

Hmmm!! Vveeeerry interesting!

This is what I've been saying! The nature of the food we eat has changed. The nutritional profile of our diets is completely different -- more carbohydrates, less proteins and fats. It's not about whether it's unlimited or not. If you're the first Polynesian colonists arriving in Hawaii in your canoes, you have an effectively unlimited supply of food... but not of grains and sugar. Exactly as you said: not of high-calorie foods, namely, not of grains and sugar. I appreciate you realizing your mistake and adding that qualifier, because with it, the statement becomes broadly true.

Nothing about that statement was inconsistent with anything I said earlier. You can eat calorie dense foods and stay thin just be eating less of them or burning more calories. What you cannot do is eat more calories and burn fewer of them. I don't care if you're eating nature grown food or McDonald's.

Look, Enoch, I don't mean to be mean. I hope you aren't offended nor infuriated by my playfulness. You are obviously right and correct, as far as you go. We are just talking past each other to an extent; talking about two different things. You are presenting the physics of the fuel-burning situation, which is fine. I am talking about the actual, practical, tactical, on-the-ground, "how-to" reality. That is what I was talking about. The application. The how-to. The "OK, what should I do to never get fat, or to stop being fat and never get fat again?" That is what most people are interested in when it comes to the topic of weight-loss. To the extent that you are addressing that, you are giving advice that doesn't work. You are telling people "just stop eating so much". It turns out, that doesn't work! It seems like it should. It really, really does. I understand. But it doesn't.

It really, really doesn't.

I have still not conveyed successfully my views to you. I may not be a good communicator. Perhaps someone else can do a better job. Please listen to this podcast:



The Calorie Myth


Even the guy in your video says "If you continuously over consume calories, you, of course, will gain weight." I agree with him that there is crap in soda that is bad for you, other than calories. Earlier in the thread I used the example of McDonald's. Eating a lot of McDonald's - or drinking a lot of soda - will cause a host of health problems. But obesity won't be one of them, if your total caloric intake matches your total energy expenditure. There are thin people who eat nothing but junk food.

Did you ever see the list of food Michael Phelps ate when he was training for the olympics? This was a typical day:

Breakfast: Three fried-egg sandwiches loaded with cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, fried onions and mayonnaise. Two cups of coffee. One five-egg omelet. One bowl of grits. Three slices of French toast topped with powdered sugar. Three chocolate-chip pancakes.

Lunch: One pound of enriched pasta. Two large ham and cheese sandwiches with mayo on white bread. Energy drinks packing 1,000 calories.

Dinner: One pound of pasta. An entire pizza. More energy drinks.

Fried food, pizza, pancakes... but because he burned all of that off every day, he looked like this:

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Again you are not understanding what I'm saying, I think. Most people are interested in this:

How can I lose weight, or
How can I never start gaining weight like all the other slobs around me?


How? What works? Efficacy!

This really reminds me of our conversation about investing. There, you said that there's no problem or difficulty in making money in the stock market when the stock market in general is losing money: it's just a matter of picking the right stocks. Anyone can do it! Just pick the right stocks! It's a very simple process:

1. Pick stocks that will go up.
2. Do not pick stocks that will go down.

What could be simpler? Wonderful advice! Very accurate! But totally worthless!

Here, once again, you are giving some very simple advice:

1. Consume fewer calories, or
2. Expend more calories.

Simplicity itself! Unfortunately, this advice turns out to just be utterly worthless in the real world.

Did you listen to the entire podcast, Enoch? Did you understand the point the guy was making? Here's another, briefer, video to try to explain it:

[video=vimeo;58335792]http://vimeo.com/58335792[/video]

Did you understand what he was saying? Could you summarize it for me briefly so I know we're on the same page? And then could you let me know if you disagree with it or not?
 
Again you are not understanding what I'm saying, I think. Most people are interested in this:

How can I lose weight, or
How can I never start gaining weight like all the other slobs around me?


How? What works? Efficacy!

I do think the Primal Blueprint works good for that. You're fooling yourself if you think it doesn't rely on a calorie deficit, though.

This really reminds me of our conversation about investing. There, you said that there's no problem or difficulty in making money in the stock market when the stock market in general is losing money: it's just a matter of picking the right stocks. Anyone can do it! Just pick the right stocks! It's a very simple process:

1. Pick stocks that will go up.
2. Do not pick stocks that will go down.

What could be simpler? Wonderful advice! Very accurate! But totally worthless!

Actually, I said cash was king in a bear market, or you could short the market. I also said that there were people who consistently make money in the stock market and they tell everyone how they do it. If people want to do something else and be average or below average, that's on them.

You're position in that thread, and to a lesser extent in this thread, was like saying "Most new businesses fail, so no one should ever start a new business. Just go to work for an existing one and be safe and normal!"

Here, once again, you are giving some very simple advice:

1. Consume fewer calories, or
2. Expend more calories.

Simplicity itself! Unfortunately, this advice turns out to just be utterly worthless in the real world.

Except that is literally the only way to lose weight. Well, that and liposuction and magic.

Did you listen to the entire podcast, Enoch? Did you understand the point the guy was making? Here's another, briefer, video to try to explain it:


Did you understand what he was saying? Could you summarize it for me briefly so I know we're on the same page? And then could you let me know if you disagree with it or not?

I watched the first video. The guy said to eat foods grown naturally and not chemical laden mass produced food. That's certainly healthier, but is not necessary to lose weight or keep it off. And even if you eat nothing but natural food, if you eat 4,000 calories worth and only expend 3,000 calories worth, you are going to gain weight.

The second video claims more people are dieting and exercising than ever, but provides absolutely no evidence. People are eating more today, not less. And they're too often doing it while sitting in front of a computer, which they weren't doing so much even 20 years ago. The food itself hasn't changed that much in 20 years. The video was mostly a new-agey bull shit infomercial. I could see all of the "science", though. You're clogged! You have to get unclogged!

You seem obsessed with the counting of calories. Count them or don't. You just have to eat fewer of them than you burn to lose weight, or eat about the same to maintain weight. Counting just gives you a rough estimate. And the guy must be using that Common Core new math if he thinks that people should weigh 1,000 lbs. based on the calorie in - calorie out method. I tried a couple of times, but couldn't get anywhere near that. I don't think he's doing it right. I'm not wasting any more of my time watching more of your videos.

Is it your assertion that anyone who eats only junk food cannot be thin? Because that's blatantly wrong and just about everyone knows at least one person who lives on junk food and stays thin. But that looks to me to be where you're at.
 
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I do think the Primal Blueprint works good for that. You're fooling yourself if you think it doesn't rely on a calorie deficit, though.



Actually, I said cash was king in a bear market, or you could short the market. I also said that there were people who consistently make money in the stock market and they tell everyone how they do it. If people want to do something else and be average or below average, that's on them.

You're position in that thread, and to a lesser extent in this thread, was like saying "Most new businesses fail, so no one should ever start a new business. Just go to work for an existing one and be safe and normal!"



Except that is literally the only way to lose weight. Well, that and liposuction and magic.



I watched the first video. The guy said to eat foods grown naturally and not chemical laden mass produced food. That's certainly healthier, but is not necessary to lose weight or keep it off. And even if you eat nothing but natural food, if you eat 4,000 calories worth and only expend 3,000 calories worth, you are going to gain weight.

The second video claims more people are dieting and exercising than ever, but provides absolutely no evidence. People are eating more today, not less. And they're too often doing it while sitting in front of a computer, which they weren't doing so much even 20 years ago. The food itself hasn't changed that much in 20 years. The video was mostly a new-agey bull shit infomercial. I could see all of the "science", though. You're clogged! You have to get unclogged!

You seem obsessed with the counting of calories. Count them or don't. You just have to eat fewer of them than you burn to lose weight, or eat about the same to maintain weight. Counting just gives you a rough estimate. And the guy must be using that Common Core new math if he thinks that people should weigh 1,000 lbs. based on the calorie in - calorie out method. I tried a couple of times, but couldn't get anywhere near that. I don't think he's doing it right. I'm not wasting any more of my time watching more of your videos.

Is it your assertion that anyone who eats only junk food cannot be thin? Because that's blatantly wrong and just about everyone knows at least one person who lives on junk food and stays thin. But that looks to me to be where you're at.
Yeah, 20 years ago they did it in front of an idiot box (what we oldsters called TVs back then) instead of a computer.
 
I do think the Primal Blueprint works good for that. You're fooling yourself if you think it doesn't rely on a calorie deficit, though.
Well then what's the problem? What are you arguing about?

While you understand everything about my motives ("Why are you deliberately misrepresenting my argument? Never mind, I know why.") I am not so blessed in regards to you. I don't understand what your point is. I can't get inside your head. You'll have to explain what you're about.

It seems like you get hung up on some little technicality and then hammer it and hammer it because I guess it is something that you're right about, or maybe that I'm wrong about. Well guess what? I'm fine with you being right! I have told you repeatedly that you are right, but it's possible I wasn't clear enough:

[blink]You are right, Enoch!!![/blink]

The body can only store as fat, food it has taken in, and it can only store such food as fat if it hasn't already used it doing something else.


So rejoice in that! Allow me to tell you again: you are totally, totally right about everything that you have posted here! (As far as I know.) What's more, maybe I'm even wrong, also. I have no problem being wrong!

The communication problem, maybe, is that we're on two different meta-levels. You are wanting to point out that you're right (and you definitely are!), and I'm wrong (conceded!) and maybe stupid (I'll concede that, too!). I am just wanting to share with people what I learned from this very interesting book called Willpower: that we shouldn't waste our willpower on trying to limit our calories to lose weight, because it won't work.


You're position in that thread, and to a lesser extent in this thread, was like saying "Most new businesses fail, so no one should ever start a new business. Just go to work for an existing one and be safe and normal!"
My point in both threads has been nuanced. It's been complex. It's been a little bit weird. It's been, I'm now realizing, on an entirely different meta-level than the one you were/are operating on. Thus, I believe you have misunderstood me both times. For instance, to think that I was saying that no one should ever start a new business is so far removed from reality that it has forced me to ask myself "how could he possibly have thought that's what I meant?".

Believe me, Enoch, I'm not trying to anger you or misrepresent you. My point is confusing. I understand it's confusing.

Again, I'm just trying to help people know that fat people aren't fat because they lack discipline, and that if they themselves are fat they can't stop being so by exerting self-discipline. Just as with investing, you have to come at it sideways.

Take Gunny, for instance. He's getting his life together again, things are going better and better for him, and he is now wanting to improve his health. The video I posted from Bailor (the Calorie Myth guy) should be good news to him. It could help him. It could direct him away from strategies that don't work well and towards ones that do. That would be my hope.

I watched the first video. The guy said to eat foods grown naturally and not chemical laden mass produced food. That's certainly healthier, but is not necessary to lose weight or keep it off.
And actually, I'd disagree with so sweeping a statement as this. All foods grow "naturally". Mass production is not inherently unhealthy. And certainly not all man-made chemicals are bad for us.

The second video claims more people are dieting and exercising than ever, but provides absolutely no evidence.
It's a video; for the footnotes read the book. Here's a news article about a couple studies:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-blame-countrys-growing-obesity-epidemic.html

and an interview with the author of one of the studies:

http://www.rwjf.org/en/blogs/new-public-health/2013/07/the_state_of_u_she.html .

Anyway, it's just obviously true: no one 200 years ago dieted or exercised.

People are eating more today, not less.
But they're dieting more. They're consuming more calories, but dieting more. Bizarre, eh? Again, we're on two different meta-levels, talking past each other. We're both right.

The video was mostly a new-agey infomercial.
Well, actually for "new age" think Enya; think mellow. A better term for this might be hyperactive. Anyway, I'm not a big fan of the style, either.

I could see all of the "science", though. You're clogged! You have to get unclogged!
It's an analogy, Enoch. He (like Mark Sisson) is a popularizer of science, and a great one. It's a terrific analogy. It conveys the scientific findings very clearly and accurately -- much better than my lame analogies of radiators and leaky roofs. If you are skeptical that the analogy is accurately conveying the science, I enthusiastically invite you to look up the science firsthand!

You seem obsessed with the counting of calories. Count them or don't. You just have to eat fewer of them than you burn to lose weight, or eat about the same to maintain weight.
You can't have that as your direct goal though, just as you can't have it as a goal "I'm going to get a higher return in my portfolio". You have to come at it sideways.

Counting just gives you a rough estimate. And the guy must be using that Common Core new math if he thinks that people should weigh 1,000 lbs. based on the calorie in - calorie out method. I tried a couple of times, but couldn't get anywhere near that.
No problem! Let me help!

Every excess 3,500 calories results in around 1 pound of weight gain. It also works in reverse.

300 excess calories per day
* 365.25 = 109575
* 34 years = 3725550
/ 3,500 calories per pound =
1064.44 pounds

I'm not wasting any more of my time watching more of your videos.
I wouldn't want you to waste time. Sorry you didn't enjoy it. I'm just trying to help.
 
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300 excess calories per day
* 365.25 = 109575
* 34 years = 3725550
/ 3,500 calories per pound =
1064.44 pounds

A 6 foot tall, 180 pound, 25 year old man with a sedentary lifestyle burns around 2,300 calories/day. If he ups his calories to 2,600/day he will gain weight until he is around 220 pounds and then plateau. More calories are burned in support of the increased mass. The guy's math is wrong.

I'll read through the daily mail article tomorrow, but I doubt I'll reply to this thread anymore.
 
A 6 foot tall, 180 pound, 25 year old man with a sedentary lifestyle burns around 2,300 calories/day. If he ups his calories to 2,600/day he will gain weight until he is around 220 pounds and then plateau. More calories are burned in support of the increased mass. The guy's math is wrong.
Bingo! You have figured out the error in that statement. I'm glad I could help. I was just explaining the math he must have done, but definitely it would be more complicated by the fact that you burn more calories the heavier you are. Bailor is indeed embarrassingly wrong in this statement.

There are several other things he says which either are inaccurate, baseless, or with which I disagree, but the important core points (as I see them) are backed up extensively by pretty good science.

I'll read through the daily mail article tomorrow, but I doubt I'll reply to this thread anymore.
Well I wouldn't want to waste your time. Again: I'm just trying to help! And I hope that you have at least taken some satisfaction in your complete and utter triumph over me! You got to read me acknowledging that you are absolutely right about calorie deficits! The laws of thermodynamics are safe (Phew!). And to read it over and over! Why, you totally trounced me! And that is what you wanted. Right?

Right?
 
Since I have now realized how difficult my point is to understand, let me start over from the beginning, and I will try this time to answer you and explain myself without any humor or hyperbole, which only confused you further, I think. I will try very hard not to sound like Matt Collins as I do so.

So: the beginning. I don't think you ever got beyond this point, which was your initial problem with what I was saying and, presumably, reason for posting.
If you focus on "number of calories in" and try to reduce that number through willpower, or (even worse) if you focus on "number of calories out" and try to to increase that number while keeping the calorie intake the same, via willpower, all the data shows that you will certainly completely fail.
If that were the case, then it would be impossible for anyone to lose weight, ever.
No, that is not what I wrote, nor does that conclusion follow from what I wrote. Here is what I wrote:

1. There is one strategy for weight loss (that happens to be the most common strategy) which does not work.

It does not follow from that that there exist no other strategies, and that none of them work either! Not at all!

The one strategy which does not work is: exerting willpower in a direct way to limit calories below what you otherwise take in. A mountainous body of research shows that that one strategy does not work for the vast majority of us. Indeed, as Willpower puts it: "The results of dieting research tend to be depressing". Even very gradual, careful approaches like your own recommendation, Enoch, and no doubt like the final diet Oprah went on with the help of A-level professional nutritionists, etc., tend to fail if looked at over a period of years.

But that's just one approach. There are many other approaches. There's one popular approach right now, for instance, to increase calorie expenditure by giving you some hormone that pregnant women produce a lot of. I got to hear all about it from a seatmate on an airplane ride. There's tons of approaches. There's a whole book store section of approaches, although I will admit most of them are variants of the one approach that doesn't work: directly and consciously limiting your calorie intake.

The approach I believe does work is this: limit your calories in an indirect way, by changing the makeup of your diet to one for which your weight-maintenance system was designed for (as well as all your other systems).

the important core points (as I see them) are backed up extensively by pretty good science.

The core points, by the way, according to me:

• The body is built to regulate weight automatically.

"Body weight is remarkably stable in humans. The average human consumes one million or more calories per year, yet weight changes very little in most people. These facts lead to the conclusion that energy balance is regulated with a precision of greater than 99.5%, which far exceeds what can be consciously monitored." -- Dr. Jeffrey M. Friedman, M.D., Ph.D., head of the Laboratory of Molecular Genetics at Rockefeller University in New York.

This is the PID system (you can look it up) I was talking about. It's like cruise control on your car. Or, yes, like the sink.

• This system gets broken when we eat things for which our body is not designed.

• This eating of things for which our body was not designed accounts for the recent extreme rise in obesity and metabolic syndromes.

No other factors have changed dramatically enough in recent history. You bring up activity level (the computers! oh, the computers!), but activity level has not changed enough to account for it. Most of the research science seems to point to macro-nutrient dietary shift as the cause. The main shift has been to more and more carbohydrates.

• To fix the system, we just go back to eating what humans were eating all along, before the problem.

According to the Primal Blueprint and other Paleo approaches, this means to try to get back to what our primitive prehistoric ancestors were eating. This is a bit dicey, since it is not known exactly what these guys were eating -- it's called pre-history for a reason. But we can speculate.

Bailor's approach is to just look at all the tests and studies that have been run by research scientists and Universities over the recent decades and draw conclusions from that. Nothing wrong with that. Now, all studies have flaws, and very few to none are the kind of very long-term longitudinal studies (following the same group of people over decades) that we'd really like to see, because longitudinal studies are expensive and time-consuming. But it's a pretty good approach.

One thing that all long-term efficacious weight-loss approaches seem to have in common is the reduction of carbohydrates.
 
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