I was using the ebola as an example of just how nuts it is to let anybody and everybody over the border especially given that the public is not being informed about the number of diseases coming over here unchecked.
You were using Ebola as an emotional fear based argument. You could have used tuberculosis or head lice but no, the possibility of me bleeding from my eyes, should foreigners come here, is what ought to concern me. Your use of Ebola was not indicative of anything aside from your inability to debate without fallacy.
There IS a mini-epidemic going on right now in Western Africa.
A "
mini-
epidemic", huh? Well that seems rather oxymoronic. What does "mini" entail, as well? You are speaking of what, a couple dozen? Less? More fallacious reasoning. Your choice of words would make a propagandist proud. Down to the capitalization of "IS". Oh, it "IS"? Well I suppose no more needs to be said on the matter, then.
Do you think it's ONLY Latin Americans coming through the border?
Is this a serious question or another fallacious sentence? Yes, I think only Latin Americans are coming through the border. Please, if my time is to be wasted, let's at least attempt to offer me something serious to consider. So far, and I'm just going through point by point as this is my first read, I am unsurprisingly disappointed. Hopefully your later arguments pick up steam.
Granted they make up the majority but there are migrants from other countries coming through there as well but that is a minor issue compared to the larger issue that we cannot afford to support every illegal immigrant and their grandma coming over.
Who has mentioned anything, aside from you, fallaciously, of "[supporting] every illegal immigrant and their grandma coming over"? This will be the single sentence you take to respond to. You'll offer me a 12.1 billion dollar figure and mention, yet again, that you don't want to pay for it. Then you'll, possibly in the same sentence, promote me being robbed to pay for what you want. One would think that the oh, say, pages I've already written to you, would have covered this.
They are bringing in diseases that have mostly been eradicated here to which most of us have no immunity, like TB and Typhus.
And Ebola, or would be, if weren't for the brave men and women along the border: The helicopters, planes, drones, boats, and troops. You'll one day recognize that they aren't building a fence to keep people out. That passports aren't to limit who comes here. That the checkpoints aren't simply targeting immigrants.
I'll take my chances with tuberculosis and typhus over building a virtual panopticon. Especially so if the related protectionists didn't utterly fuck the medical industry. And as well, there would be the simple solution of basic screenings. And so long as the worried about tuberculosis pays for it, I have no issues.
If you are too dense to understand that, not my problem. Do I have problems with checkpoints on citizens in THIS country? Hell yes. I have no problem with expecting existing border agents to at least attempt to DO THE JOB THEY ARE BEING PAID TO DO when the amount of people pouring over the border is reaching crisis levels, WHICH IT HAS.
The job they are being paid to do would include conducting checkpoints. Invariably American citizens are going to be caught up in that. There is a lucrative smuggling market (do I even need to give credit to who that is due to?). Americans are sometimes helping smuggle immigrants into this country. How would the border patrol be able to do their job, which is, to interdict immigration,
without stopping vehicles, the likes of which Americans predictably
will be subjected to? There's no other way around it. So in essence, you cannot have it both ways. You can't be for them doing their job while saying Americans are exempt from checkpoints. The Constitution free zone was established out of necessity (for the simple reason that Americans are along the border and it would make no sense in trying to stop illegal immigrants if all it took was an American citizen driving the car [protected by their pesky rights]). They weren't naive. They knew American rights would be violated and legislated accordingly. How are you so naive to think it would occur another way?
And simply because you capitalize something does not make it any more true. Crisis, my balls. I live in the heart of illegal immigration country. I do not give two shits about it. In fact, the "crisis" is hardly noticeable. What I do notice, though, is jackboots patrolling the streets. That and the portion of my labor extracted to pay for it all.
If I have an employee, I expect them to do the job they are hired for.
This would be well and good if you recognized the job they were hired for- checkpoints and other abhorrent measures. Your cognitive dissonance is remarkable. You don't want Americans subjected to checkpoints. You want the border patrol to do their job.
Let me repeat this. You don't want Americans subjected to checkpoints. You want the border patrol to do their job.
If you said that to one of them, they'd probably die from a fit of laughter.
If you think the border should just be wide open, then you obviously have no regard or respect for this country's sovereignty whatsoever.
You're starting to hurt my feelings. I love the Homeland.
When the drug war is ended and there are no more cartel members coming over, no more parents in Honduras paying coyotes to bring unaccompanied 4 year old children over, and no more ICE agents having to be babysitters....let me know...mmmkay?
So... when people are finished reacting in a predictable way to the problems the government created, we can count on the government (by voting periodically, of course) to make the situation better.
Seriously if you can't see that the more people streaming over the border, the more criminal element streaming over the border actually helps create more of a police state, helps states and local authorities justify militarizing police forces, helps create the need for more prisons, I don't know what to tell you.
This is one of the first reasonable arguments you've made. Not in this post, mind you, but in this thread.
My response would be that the cowardice and subservience of people is disappointing.
As more and more people come over, it takes a lot more government to deal with them than to stop them from coming in the first place or at least to manage the amount coming over. How much more can our resources be strained before the government feels justified turning to complete totalitarianism?
Probably not much more. And the heroes you've all called to save you will be the ones with their boot on your neck.
But the solution is of course, creating a fence and force that will prevent anyone from leaving. It is establishing a national identification card. It is bringing the military to the borders. It is paying the pension of these anti-immigration, drug war crusaders. I know you don't support this. But for what amounts to nothing more than collectivist incrementalism, what's it matter what you don't support?
And no, that is no more paranoid than it is for some to feel that closed borders creates a police state. Well...newsflash...we ALREADY live in a police state. We have drones capable of targeting us on our patios, we have the NSA recording our phone calls, we have local police stations with army tanks for SWAT vehicles.
The border patrol would be included in the police state.
Just thought I'd point that out as it seems you've missed it.
Keep increasing the populous with illegals and see how much that keeps them justified in having and increasing the police state.
They'd justify it regardless. And the people are retards. They don't even need to justify it. People ignorantly clamor for it.
I've witnessed it.
Not one person has made the argument that open borders decreases it. It obviously hasn't because up until this latest flare up of publicity and protest, for all intents and purposes the southern border has been pretty much wide open....police state still getting stronger because they will use any and every reason to do so.
'Every reason to do so' would include people's irrational fears of that which is different from them.
