Are we paying to bring all these people from south of the border ?

You mean principles like freedom? Pretty sure open immigration, which is what the U.S. was founded on, falls under that principle. Telling someone that they can't cross an imaginary line and interact with another consenting party on THEIR private property is the complete opposite of that.

When I am taxed to pay for their freebies that I certainly don't get, they are compromising my liberty. You keep ignoring that fact or act like it's no big deal. If I don't believe in welfare, have never drawn welfare why should I support them coming here to get it on my dime? I don't think you even know wtf is going on at the border right now.
 
My concern is keeping them out until there is some sort of reform, ie, getting rid of entitlements. And I am referring to the current influx of thousands of them coming over. I am not against immigration itself. Most people who immigrate legally are not here because of the freebies. They come here because they are interested in having a stake in the country. Call it what you want. I am not calling for rounding up the ones already here. I do think this current exodus...mostly out of Central America needs to be stopped before it gets any worse. I do feel badly for people down there who are afraid for their lives, but instead of putting pressure on those countries to take care of their own citizens, we send them money.

Bold part we definately agree on.
 
A Japanese American Professor Who Understands What Is At Work.

http://www.infowars.com/uc-professor-immigration-influx-is-about-re-education-of-society/


It's about replacing unpredictable Americans with subservient, dependent foreigners who are just happy to survive, essentially ushering in the perfect slave class to serve the elites and their interests. Think about it. A group of slaves that refuse firearm ownership and openly embrace the state? Does it not get any better than that? If I was an elite I could sleep easy knowing how easily I could buy off and control Latinos.

That is exactly why the public school system was concocted; has nothing to do with foreigners.

As far as Latinos go- which is it: They come here to form gangs and terrorize or they come here to comply and refuse firearm ownership?

And if you think you can easily "buy off and control Latinos" you don't know very many Latinos.
 
Though life in Ireland was cruel, emigrating to America was not a joyful event...it was referred to as the American Wake for these people knew they would never see Ireland again. Those who pursued this path did so only because they new their future in Ireland would only be more poverty, disease, and English oppression. America became their dream. Early immigrant letters described it as a land of abundance and urged others to follow them through the "Golden Door." These letters were read at social events encouraging the young to join them in this wonderful new country. They left in droves on ships that were so crowded, with conditions so terrible, that they were referred to as Coffin Ships.

Even as the boat was docking, these immigrants to America learned that life in America was going to be a battle for survival. Hundreds of runners, usually large greedy men, swarmed aboard the ship grabbing immigrants and their bags trying to force them to their favorite tenement house and then exact an outrageous fee for their services. As the poor immigrant had no means of moving on, they settled in the port of arrival. Almshouses were filled with these Irish immigrants. They begged on every street. One honest immigrant wrote home at the height of the potato famine exodus, "My master is a great tyrant, he treats me as badly as if I was a common Irishman." The writer further added, "Our position in America is one of shame and poverty." No group was considered lower than an Irishman in America during the 1850s.

Free land did not lure them. They rejected the land for the land had rejected them; yet even so they always spoke reverently of the old sod in Ireland. All major cities had their "Irish Town" or "Shanty Town" where the Irish clung together. Our immigrant ancestors were not wanted in America. Ads for employment often were followed by "NO IRISH NEED APPLY." They were forced to live in cellars and shanties, partly because of poverty but also because they were considered bad for the neighborhood...they were unfamiliar with plumbing and running water. These living conditions bred sickness and early death. It was estimated that 80% of all infants born to Irish immigrants in New York City died. Their brogue and dress provoked ridicule; their poverty and illiteracy provoked scorn.

The Chicago Post wrote, "The Irish fill our prisons, our poor houses...Scratch a convict or a pauper, and the chances are that you tickle the skin of an Irish Catholic. Putting them on a boat and sending them home would end crime in this country."

http://www.kinsella.org/history/histira.htm

The more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
Socialism is a principle. People who agree with the principle of socialism would move to areas with socialism, and others would leave. Where's the problem again, exactly?


Yes because Texas is so well known as a socialist haven.
 
http://www.kinsella.org/history/histira.htm

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Except that the current influx of immigrants have not only been encouraged to come here and work but they have been allowed to take advantage of social services. Those who have gone through the legal process are not allowed to do that. They have to sign a document before they get a visa stating they will not ask nor apply for assistance. The fact that millions of illegal immigrants are living here, working here, many getting entitlements should tell you that they have been treated anything but like the Irish. Also MY Northern Irish immigrant ancestors came here, bought land..some received land grants, farmed the land, improved the land and fought the British for the land. They didn't just tumble off the ship expecting a handout. You keep trying to infer an element of racism here. This has nothing to do with race. It has to do with a group of people encouraged by their own country to come here and take advantage of a flawed system funded by taxpayers. Are you even aware there are thousands of children traveling unescorted from Central America through Mexico to come here and when they get here we have to house, clothe and feed them? Not to mention the fact that it is perilous to them to travel like that. Many are kidnapped and brought here by human slavery rings and forced to work as prostitutes. But I guess that's okay cause ....liberty.
 


Bastiat asserted that the sole purpose of government is to protect the right of an individual to life, liberty, and property.


"I do not dispute their right to invent social combinations, to advertise them, to advocate them, and to try them upon themselves, at their own expense and risk. But I do dispute their right to impose these plans upon us by law – by force – and to compel us to pay for them with our taxes". Bastiat

And that is exactly what is happening with forced integration.


To the OP....Yes..WE are paying,
 
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Zuckerbergs for amnesty....think of all those cheap high tech workers. Who gives a damn if people here get replaced. Mo unemployment...yay. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...g-s-FWD-us-Launches-Day-of-Action-for-Amnesty

That's been going on for years. Middle class Americans in their 50's and 60's who are not ready to retire but have worked hard their whole lives and accrued vacation, pensions, etc., are being made to train immigrants from China and India to take their tech jobs IN ORDER TO GET SEVERANCE PAY. Many of these Americans then lose everything-- their home, and their life. In the meantime these immigrants works at 1/2 the cost and the Zuckerbergs laugh all the way to the bank. It's despicable.

If this immigration bill goes through, they plan to *TRIPLE* legal immigration. Because of chain migration, by 2040 there will be an additional 100 million humans living in the United States. About 1/3 more than we have right now.

The center and north parts of the country may not see this as a problem and say 'the country has lots of room'. Unfortunately these people will migrate to more populated areas simply because those areas have the jobs and those areas are nicer to live in. As it is on the east and west coasts, the roads are a parking lot 24 hours a day. How many more lanes are we going to add to the highways. Instead of the current 10 lanes (5 each way) are we going to have 20 lanes? When is enough enough? Do we all have to crawl on top of each other before people finally admit the politically incorrect conclusion that overpopulation decreases everyone's standard of living?
 
Bastiat asserted that the sole purpose of government is to protect the right of an individual to life, liberty, and property.

"I do not dispute their right to invent social combinations, to advertise them, to advocate them, and to try them upon themselves, at their own expense and risk. But I do dispute their right to impose these plans upon us by law – by force – and to compel us to pay for them with our taxes". Bastiat

And that is exactly what is happening with forced integration.

To the OP....Yes..WE are paying,
One, have you read the book?

Two, forced 'integration', huh?

Three, the irony of you posting that quote slipped you.
 
One, have you read the book?

Two, forced 'integration', huh?

Three, the irony of you posting that quote slipped you.


The quote speaks exactly to the current administration encouraging illegals to come here while we pay for it. And yes when it's being charged to the taxpayer without our consent it is forced. Really? I'm at work...you want me to read a book before I comment? I own that book. I reserve the right to analogize to the current situation. Until we actually have a free market that is an ideal not a reality.
 
http://www.kinsella.org/history/histira.htm

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Too bad the current numbers dwarf immigration from the late 1800s. We were dealing with hundred thousands as opposed to millions. Secondly, we have a robust welfare state and multilingual aids that counter the assimilation process. Many incoming immigrants from south of the border are not even literate in their own language!!! How limited are their job prospects and prospects for upward economic mobility in an anglo dominated business climate? There is a reason why the Latino high school dropout rate is double that of both white and black Americans.
 
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Study: All Employment Growth Since 2000 Went to Immigrants
By NRO Staff
June 26, 2014 7:22


According to a major new report from the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), net employment growth in the United States since 2000 has gone entirely to immigrants, legal and illegal. Using data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, CIS scholars Steven A. Camarota and Karen Zeigler found that there were 127,000 fewer working-age natives holding a job in the first quarter of 2014 than in 2000, while the number of immigrants with a job was 5.7 million above the 2000 level.

The rapidity with which immigrants recovered from the Great Recession, as well as the fact that they held a disproportionate share of jobs relative to their share of population growth before the recession, help to explain their findings, the authors report. In addition, native-born Americans and immigrants were affected differently by the recession.

Other significant findings include:

Because the native-born population grew significantly, but the number working actually fell, there were 17 million more working-age natives not working in the first quarter of 2014 than in 2000.
The share of natives working or looking for work, referred to as labor force participation, shows the same decline as the employment rate. In fact, labor force participation has continued to decline for working-age natives even after the jobs recovery began in 2010.
Immigrants have made gains across the labor market, including lower-skilled jobs such as maintenance, construction, and food service; middle-skilled jobs like office support and health care support; and high*er-skilled jobs, including management, computers, and health care practitioners.
The supply of potential workers is enormous: 8.7 million native college graduates are not working, as are 17 million with some college, and 25.3 million with no more than a high school education.
According to the study, 58 million working-age natives are not employed.

Camarota and Zeigler report three conclusions:

First, the long-term decline in the employment for natives across age and education levels is a clear in*dication that there is no general labor shortage, which is a primary justification for the large increases in immigration (skilled and unskilled) in the Schumer-Rubio bill and similar House proposals.
Second, the decline in work among the native-born over the last 14 years of high immigration is consis*tent with research showing that immigration reduces employment for natives.
Third, the trends since 2000 challenge the argument that immigration on balance increases job oppor*tunities for natives. Over 17 million immigrants arrived in the country in the last 14 years, yet native employment has deteriorated significantly.
The Center for Immigration Studies is a non-profit research institute. Founded in 1985, the organization is regularly consulted by policymakers, the academic community, and the media on matters of immigration policy.




*enter argument that Americans are too lazy to work...
 
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Take a trip to Silicon Valley and you can see exactly what's going on in this country. Annually(11 years now) I get confirmation by an executive contact in Human Resources of a Fortune 500 company the 'importing of bodies' plan continues. Don't let anybody tell you, this immigration influx is not happening on purpose. Notice all the jawing going on in Washington, yet the same corporate welfare continues as CEOs move jobs overseas and dilute workers within the borders. It'
s not free markets, it's racketeering and organized crime.

Study: All Employment Growth Since 2000 Went to Immigrants
By NRO Staff
June 26, 2014 7:22

According to a major new report from the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), net employment growth in the United States since 2000 has gone entirely to immigrants, legal and illegal. Using data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, CIS scholars Steven A. Camarota and Karen Zeigler found that there were 127,000 fewer working-age natives holding a job in the first quarter of 2014 than in 2000, while the number of immigrants with a job was 5.7 million above the 2000 level.

The rapidity with which immigrants recovered from the Great Recession, as well as the fact that they held a disproportionate share of jobs relative to their share of population growth before the recession, help to explain their findings, the authors report. In addition, native-born Americans and immigrants were affected differently by the recession.
 
Take a trip to Silicon Valley and you can see exactly what's going on in this country. Annually(11 years now) I get confirmation by an executive contact in Human Resources of a Fortune 500 company the 'importing of bodies' plan continues. Don't let anybody tell you, this immigration influx is not happening on purpose. Notice all the jawing going on in Washington, yet the same corporate welfare continues as CEOs move jobs overseas and dilute workers within the borders. It'
s not free markets, it's racketeering and organized crime.

It's killing the middle class and promotes anti wealth building. Kinda hard to stick anything back when your industry hires out your job cheaper and immediately devalues your earning power. Yes it creates competition...if you don't mind earning what you earned when you had no experience. It actually encourages people to apply for entitlements.
 
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What does one do with a government that not only no longer serves its people it has been entrusted to represent, but actively attempts to undermine their life, their liberties, and their pursuit of happiness?

Train for inevitable.
 
Too bad the current numbers dwarf immigration from the late 1800s. We were dealing with hundred thousands as opposed to millions. Secondly, we have a robust welfare state and multilingual aids that counter the assimilation process. Many incoming immigrants from south of the border are not even literate in their own language!!! How limited are their job prospects and prospects for upward economic mobility in an anglo dominated business climate? There is a reason why the Latino high school dropout rate is double that of both white and black Americans.

With hope for a brighter future, nearly 12 million immigrants arrived in the United States between 1870 and 1900. During the 1870s and 1880s, the vast majority of these people were from Germany, Ireland, and England--the principal sources of immigration before the Civil War.

12 million in 30 years, dude.

http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classro...ities/presentations/timeline/riseind/immgnts/
 
It's killing the middle class and promotes anti wealth building. Kinda hard to stick anything back when your industry hires out your job cheaper and immediately devalues your earning power. Yes it creates competition...if you don't mind earning what you earned when you had no experience. It actually encourages people to apply for entitlements.

This problem is NOT immigration- it is FED GOV regulation of private business. Get the government OUT and economic growth will be phenomenal.
 
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