Are we allowed to discuss race on this forum?

[erowe1]

So-called "private property rights" (also known as: "whoever has the biggest gun wins") is the first thing that needs to be placed in the evil column if we are ever going to get humanity back on a higher, moral plane of existence. Probably won't go away until after a zombie apocalypse, but we should try.

It's stupid, and a big part of every conflict in the history of ever.

"How can man own what man did not create?"

edit: I'm talking about land, not 'things'.

So you don't think a person should be able to have the exclusive rights to any piece of land at all on which to live, sleep, and be safe, no matter how small?

 

[Jamesiv1]

So you don't think a person should be able to have the exclusive rights to any piece of land at all on which to live, sleep, and be safe, no matter how small?

Ideally, no.

Like I mentioned earlier, it will probably take a zombie apocalypse to get rid of national boundaries, and get us back to a tribal existence where humanity was at it's apex.

How can man own what man did not create?

 

[Suzanimal]

So-called "private property rights" (also known as: "whoever has the biggest gun wins") is the first thing that needs to be placed in the evil column if we are ever going to get humanity back on a higher, moral plane of existence. Probably won't go away until after a zombie apocalypse, but we should try.

It's stupid, and a big part of every conflict in the history of ever.

"How can man own what man did not create?"

edit: I'm talking about land, not 'things'.

Not a Walking Dead fan?

What about the house on my land? Do I own that?

 

[Jamesiv1]

What about the house on my land? Do I own that?

If it was made by man, of course.

 

[erowe1]

How can man own what man did not create?

By creating something else out of it.

You yourself said you were only talking about land, so you must have some kind of allowance for other property.

 

[erowe1]

If it was made by man, of course.

But you made it out of raw materials you didn't create. One of those raw materials is the land it's on.

 

[Jamesiv1]

But you made it out of raw materials you didn't create. One of those raw materials is the land it's on.

Land is a raw material for a house? How do you figure?

If you're thinking of trees for wood.... trees replace themselves. They are a natural resource that humans get to use and harvest prudently, so we don't run out. God gave us dominion over the earth, if you believe in that kind of thing. Like a shepherd takes care of his flock.

Land is finite - not a regenerative resource.

Whether you believe in God or not, we need to be taking better care of our home (planet). In another couple hundred years it will be dead if nuclear war doesn't do it first.

 

[erowe1]

Land is a raw material for a house? How do you figure?

It's one of the materials the house is made of. I don't see how you could possibly see it any other way. Draw a picture of a house and see what comprises the bottom boundary of it.

Land is finite - not a regenerative resource.

But it is still a resource to be used. In order to grow trees, you need land to do it on. Some resources regenerate, but not all do. And I don't see how that has any relationship to ownership.

Whether you believe in God or not, we need to be taking better care of our home (planet). In another couple hundred years it will be dead if nuclear war doesn't do it first.

I agree. And good stewardship of the planet must involve making productive use of its resources, and not just leaving them to go to waste.

 

[Jamesiv1]

It's one of the materials the house is made of. I don't see how you could possibly see it any other way. Draw a picture of a house and see what comprises the bottom boundary of it.

But it is still a resource to be used. In order to grow trees, you need land to do it on. Some resources regenerate, but not all do. And I don't see how that has any relationship to ownership.

I agree. And good stewardship of the planet must involve making productive use of its resources, and not just leaving them to go to waste.

All of your arguments are a total disaster. You're posts are not well-respected, and you are probably bleeding in weird places.

My point of view however, is great. Everyone needs to believe the way I do, and we can Make Earth Great Again.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

It's one of the materials the house is made of. I don't see how you could possibly see it any other way. Draw a picture of a house and see what comprises the bottom boundary of it.



But it is still a resource to be used. In order to grow trees, you need land to do it on. Some resources regenerate, but not all do. And I don't see how that has any relationship to ownership.



I agree. And good stewardship of the planet must involve making productive use of its resources, and not just leaving them to go to waste.

This^^ I think our friend james does not understand that were it not for the work and stewardship of humans the environment would suffer the effects of entropy severely-and much moreso than it would if there were not people alive at all. Off the top of my head I can tell you that if there were no controlled burns in the southwest lightning would spark wildfires regularly and destroy thousands of acres and displace or kill thousands of critters.

 

[erowe1]

I do see problems with figuring out what land a person can legitimately own.

It can't just be that you pick out a swath of unused land however big you want, put a fence around it, do nothing productive with most of it except maybe hunt on it, and shoot any trespassers.

It also can't be a matter of getting a title from the government.

Nor does paying land value taxes solve the problems, because that gives revenue to the state.

But removing all land ownership isn't an improvement.

 

[Jamesiv1]

This^^ I think our friend james does not understand that were it not for the work and stewardship of humans the environment would suffer the effects of entropy severely-and much moreso than it would if there were not people alive at all. Off the top of my head I can tell you that if there were no controlled burns in the southwest lightning would spark wildfires regularly and destroy thousands of acres and displace or kill thousands of critters.

Wait a minute.... seriously? You're saying the planet is healthier/in better shape today than before modern humans showed up?

I suggest the planet is much worse off - consider the oceans, the atmosphere, the air we breathe, etc.

Without a spiritual compass humans have gotten greedy and morally corrupt - and land ownership is part of that recipe.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Wait a minute.... seriously? You're saying the planet is healthier/in better shape today than before modern humans showed up?

I suggest the planet is much worse off - consider the oceans, the atmosphere, the air we breathe, etc.

Without a spiritual compass humans have gotten greedy and morally corrupt - and land ownership is part of that recipe.

Yup. Open up a geology book and have a look at what the planet was like prior. Not pretty at all. The enviro-hippies who worship nature and hate humanity don't know WTF they're talking about.

 

[Jamesiv1]

Yup. Open up a geology book and have a look at what the planet was like prior. Not pretty at all.

give me a nutshell version or point me to a website or some such.

A planet is a living thing... I can't fathom that anyone would say all the oil and garbage we've dumped in the ocean, all the chemicals we've spewed into the air, and all the plastic and styrofoam laying around has made the Earth healthier. No way.

p.s. I don't hate humanity; I {hugz} humanity. I simply suggest we've lost our way morally and spiritually. Human civilization is on a downward course, rather than upward. We're going to hit bottom with some type of apocalyptic event, I feel sure. Hopefully then, we'll get back to the things that matter.

 

[juleswin]

There used to be large swats of forests that was cut down and paved over so heavy polluting trucks can move through it all day. Gorillas and Chimpanzees drilling for oil and make a mess all over the place. Look it up, it was in my geology text books.

 

[erowe1]

A planet is a living thing... I can't fathom that anyone would say all the oil and garbage we've dumped in the ocean, all the chemicals we've spewed into the air, and all the plastic and styrofoam laying around has made the Earth healthier. No way.

When you say "all the," you make it sound like it's a lot. Somehow I haven't noticed all this pollution. But I do see huge benefits from human industry. Seems like the little collateral damage to the environment is small in comparison.

You say the earth isn't healthier. But it's certainly more amenable to human life and well-being now than it ever used to be before the things you mention existed. To me, if you want to talk about the health of a planet, that's the best measure of it we have.

 

[Jamesiv1]

When you say "all the," you make it sound like it's a lot. Somehow I haven't noticed all this pollution. But I do see huge benefits from human industry. Seems like the little collateral damage to the environment is small in comparison.

You say the earth isn't healthier. But it's certainly more amenable to human life and well-being now than it ever used to be before the things you mention existed. To me, if you want to talk about the health of a planet, that's the best measure of it we have.

Your argument is a total disaster.

We have made terrible deals with eco-hazardous industries - terrible!

We need to Make Earth Great Again.

 

[otherone]

We need to Make Earth Great Again.

Build a wall around it. Make the aliens pay for it.

 

[Jamesiv1]

Build a wall around it. Make the aliens pay for it.

lol

 

[pcosmar]

Are we allowed to discuss race on this forum?

OVER THE MANY YEARS I HAVE BEEN HERE IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED OFTEN.

But Why?

it is irrelevant. as in Not at all relevant to questions or principles of Liberty.

and I personally dispute the notion of raceism in the first place..

All Humans are the same race.