Are there any 100% reserve banks in existence?

This is making my brain hurt.

But I think that if we don't like the banks, then we might prefer to simply make capital contributions to to business firms for investment projects. i.e. stock and bonds. We would receive dividends and, in general, appreciation in the price of our shares. We could sell them when we want. But the world is not risk free. There might be some sort of market panic that will drive the price of your shares way down. But a bank might do exactly the same thing and serve as a middle man on the investment. So maybe our cash might represent "shares" in a "bank" that have inherent value, like a stock certificate.

Any economists to the rescue here? I feel as dumb as Sarah Palin here...
 
How does a 100% reserve requirement allow a bank to make a loan since the loan would reduce reserves below 100%?

If a bank was 100% reserved, it can't lend a penny unless it was authorized by the depositor to allow them to for a certain period of time (ex: certified deposits, for a year).

So yes, if all deposits were liquid and withdrawable at all times, the bank would make no loans. That's exactly why 100% reserve banks neither exist nor are in the position to loan money. They are only in the position to store money.
 
How does a 100% reserve requirement allow a bank to make a loan since the loan would reduce reserves below 100%?

All deposits would be available for withdrawal all the time. That's what 100% reserves means. I'm sure such a bank could exist. It would be very safe for depositors, but not very profitable for the shareholders of the bank. Income sources would be monthly fees and they wouldn't be able to pay depositors any interest since they are not re-investing the money in the economy. The funds are essentially dead and earn no money for anyone.

Fractional reserve banking is a problem, but only when the reserve requirement is at immoral levels like below 15%. It could be raised to 50% and things would be fine. As with many aspects of capitalism, there is a wild animal that needs to be tamed for the good of humanity. It should not be killed, only contained within appropriate boundaries.

There are two types of deposits:

On demand
I forgot what the other kind is called

On demand is checking and savings accounts, the other kind includes any kind of account that you cannot access immediately. A certificate of deposit (CD) or IRA would be an example. A full reserve bank could lend from certificates of deposits and IRA accounts, as well as any funds that they have on their own, just not from checking and saving accounts, but you'd have to pay to keep those.
 
II. Money in a Free Society - 12. Money Warehouses

Is what needs to be read. :rolleyes:

So you're right about everything, gotcha. I'll try not to reply any threads anymore until I see you have given your expert research first. :rolleyes:

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If a bank was 100% reserved, it can't lend a penny unless it was authorized by the depositor to allow them to for a certain period of time (ex: certified deposits, for a year).

So yes, if all deposits were liquid and withdrawable at all times, the bank would make no loans. That's exactly why 100% reserve banks neither exist nor are in the position to loan money. They are only in the position to store money.

Wrong. They have every ability to loan money just like you or I have every ability to loan money. They just have to use their own money. If they have $1 million of their own money besides the money from other people they just loan that $1 million out.
 
we don't need reserve requirements or 100% reserves I don't think.... the best way would be to eliminate the lender of last resort, so that banks avoid a run like the plague.
 
Fractional reserve banking is legalized fraud. In any other industry they would be arrested.
 
Wrong. They have every ability to loan money just like you or I have every ability to loan money. They just have to use their own money. If they have $1 million of their own money besides the money from other people they just loan that $1 million out.

I LOL'd... :D

Fractional reserve banking is legalized fraud. In any other industry they would be arrested.

QFT.
 
I have noticed some people lauding the DGCs (Digital Gold Currency sites) like goldmoney.com or e-gold.com.

Beware of using these sites. The State already is mounting its assault against these things. From the DOJ:

Digital Currency Business E-Gold Indicted for
Money Laundering and Illegal Money Transmitting

WASHINGTON – A federal grand jury in Washington, D.C. has indicted two companies operating a digital currency business and their owners on charges of money laundering, conspiracy, and operating an unlicensed money transmitting business, Assistant Attorney General Alice S. Fisher of the Criminal Division and U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia Jeffrey A. Taylor announced today.

The four-count indictment, handed down on April 24, 2007, and unsealed today, charges E‑Gold Ltd; Gold & Silver Reserve, Inc.; and their owners Dr. Douglas L. Jackson, of Satellite Beach, Fla.; Reid A. Jackson, of Melbourne, Fla.; and Barry K. Downey, of Woodbine, Md., each with one count of conspiracy to launder monetary instruments, one count of conspiracy to operate an unlicensed money transmitting business, one count of operating an unlicensed money transmitting business under federal law and one count of money transmission without a license under D.C. law.

Subsequent to the indictment, the Department of Justice also obtained a restraining order on the defendants to prevent the dissipation of assets by the defendants, and 24 seizure warrants on over 58 accounts believed to be property involved in money laundering and operation of an unlicensed money transmitting business. The restraining order does not limit the E‑Gold operation’s ability to use its existing funds to satisfy requests to exchange E-Gold into national currency for customers of non-seized accounts, or its ability to sell precious metals to accomplish the same, once approval has been received.

According to the indictment, E‑Gold’s digital currency, “E‑Gold,” functioned as an alternative payment system and was purportedly backed by stored physical gold. Persons seeking to use the E‑Gold payment system were only required to provide a valid email address to open an E‑Gold account – no other contact information was verified. Once an individual opened an E‑Gold account, he/she could fund the account using any number of exchangers, which converted national currency into E‑Gold. Once open and funded, account holders could access their accounts through the Internet and conduct anonymous transactions with other parties anywhere in the world.

The indictment alleges that E‑Gold has been a highly favored method of payment by operators of investment scams, credit card and identity fraud, and sellers of online child pornography. The indictment alleges that the defendants conducted funds transfers on behalf of their customers, knowing that the funds involved were the proceeds of unlawful activity; namely child exploitation, credit card fraud, and wire (investment) fraud; and thereby violated federal money laundering statutes. The indictment further alleges that the defendants operated the E‑Gold operation without a license in the District of Columbia or any other state, or registering with the federal government, and thereby violated federal and state money transmitting laws. The indictment alleges that this conduct occurred at various times from 1999 through December 2005.

“As alleged in the indictment, the E-Gold payment system has been a preferred means of payment for child pornography distributors, identity thieves, online scammers, and other criminals around the world to launder their illegal income anonymously,” said Assistant Attorney General Alice S. Fisher of the Criminal Division. “This indictment demonstrates that the Department of Justice, in cooperation with its law enforcement partners, will aggressively identify and prosecute those who knowingly enable and profit from transmitting the proceeds of criminal activity, online or offline.”

“Douglas Jackson and his associates operated a sophisticated and widespread international money remitting business, unsupervised and unregulated by any entity in the world, which allowed for anonymous transfers of value at a click of a mouse,” said U.S. Attorney Jeffrey A. Taylor for the District of Columbia. “Not surprisingly, criminals of every stripe gravitated to E-Gold as a place to move their money with impunity. As alleged in the indictment, the defendants in this case knowingly allowed them to do so and profited from their crimes.”

“Today's indictment is the result of a two and a half year investigation by the U.S. Secret Service Orlando Field Office into an alternative payment system which has largely operated outside of normal banking industry regulations,” said Secret Service Assistant Director for Investigations Michael Stenger. “This system has been exploited for more than 10 years by criminals who operate primarily via the Internet. Cooperation among investigators, including the IRS, the FBI and other state and local law enforcement, has enabled us to more effectively address emerging threats and evolving criminal methods, such as the use of electronic or digital currency to facilitate trafficking in illicit goods and services.”

“The advent of new electronic currency systems increases the risk that criminals, and possibly terrorists, will exploit these systems to launder money and transfer funds globally to avoid law enforcement scrutiny and circumvent banking regulations and reporting,” said Assistant Director James E. Finch, of the FBI’s Cyber Division. “The FBI will continue to work closely with the Department of Justice and our federal and international law enforcement partners to aggressively investigate and prosecute any, and all, persons or organizations that use these systems to facilitate child pornography distribution, to support organized crime, and to perpetrate financial crimes.”

“This is a new twist on laundering money through unlicensed money transmitters but it is nothing new for financial investigators,” said Eileen Mayer, Chief of IRS Criminal Investigation. “The combined investigative skills of the law enforcement partners under the St. Cloud IRS Criminal Investigation and Secret Service Task Force proved to be a brick wall for E-Gold. We are proud to bring our financial expertise to this type of investigation that ultimately unravels fraud.”

The conspiracy charge in the case relating to money transmitting carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison. The federal law violation of operating an unlicensed money transmitting business carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison. The D.C. Code violation for money transmission without a license carries a maximum sentence of five years. The conspiracy charge relating to money laundering carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.

The case is being investigated by the U.S. Secret Service with the assistance of the IRS and the FBI. The case is being prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia and the Computer Crime and Intellectual Property Section of the Criminal Division. Assistance is also being provided by the Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section and the Asset Forfeiture and Money Laundering Section of the Criminal Division.

An indictment is merely an accusation and the defendants are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.

The most disturbing aspect of this? These businesses are responsible for what their Customers do. The "Know Your Customer" thingy.

In Canada, we have our FINTRAC agency that is ringing the bells as well. From my blog:

The Financial Transactions and Reports Analysis Centre of Canada, or FINTRAC, says in a report these websites have “achieved critical mass on the Web” and are facilitating millions of transactions on the fringe of the international financial system - the equivalent of a Wild West where legitimate businesses, privacy-seeking individuals and criminals can mingle just out of reach of the law.

So what is really going on?

Answer: People using these sites are trading with each other using sound money, outside of the taxation/inflation system or the "red market" we are all enslaved to. You are not permitted to exit this system. You cannot try to exchange the fruits of your labors without the State taking their unearned cut.

In other words, people were practicing agorism.
 
Wrong. They have every ability to loan money just like you or I have every ability to loan money. They just have to use their own money. If they have $1 million of their own money besides the money from other people they just loan that $1 million out.

uh, yeah, their own money is no less "authorized by the depositor" right?
 
uh, yeah, their own money is no less "authorized by the depositor" right?

Their own money has nothing to do with any depositor. The people who start the bank use money they have in their wallet before the bank ever opens or gets a single depositor. They have their own money and it never commingles with the money of depositors. They have a vault that stores money for the depositors. They never take that money out and lend any of it to people. They use their own money from previous business or wherever they got it and loan it out with interest.

I sell my house for $1 million. Then I start a bank. I have two services. The first one is to lend my $1 million to people and charge them interest. The second is to charge a small fee to store other people's gold coins in my vault for safety.

If you really wanted to you could run a third service where people give you money to loan out and you split the interest but they would not be able to get their money back until the original loan is paid. As payments come in you keep half of the interest for yourself and send the principal payment and the other half of the interest to the person the money originally belonged to. They can never come in and take out more than has been repaid minus your cut of the interest.

Any of the three would be 100% reserve banking.
 
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