Are modern Jews God's chosen people?

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I ran across this video some months ago. I didn't post it sooner because I wanted to thoroughly mull it over first. But it's pretty solid. Note this doesn't mean I think Jews are any less God's people any anybody else. But they aren't any higher on the "God pedestal" than anybody else and they have no more claim to the land of Israel than anybody else. I view them the same as white South Africans. They are there and have carved out a spot for themselves and that should be looked at from a humanitarian and international law point of view but not from the view that many modern Christians use of "We must support Israel as it currently exists because God says so." Anyway, here's the video.

 
I'm about 5 minutes into it and so far so good.

My working theory for years has been that the god that chose the Israelites is not the God that Jesus prayed to.

The Old Testament god is a barbaric, conniving, slaughter all the women and children god.

While the God that Jesus prayed to is a loving and merciful Father God.

The word "Yahweh" is in the Old Testament over 6000 times, and in the New Testament exactly zero times.

If Jesus is "fulfilling the law" doesn't it seem reasonable that he would address God the same way his ancestors did at least a few times....?
 
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Are modern Jews God's chosen people?

That would depend upon your religious beliefs. This would be a meaningless question for the majority of the world (Hindus, Buddhists, Confucianism, Taoism, Shinto, Sikh, Pagans, Wiccans, Druids, Zoroastrians, a wide variety of native American and African beliefs, etc).

Muslims and some Christian denominations do not believe that modern Jews enjoy any special chosen status, or rights to any specific pieces of land.

Zionism is a relatively new concept, mostly believed by dispensationalist Christians (see Darby in the 1830s), and later adopted by many, but not all, Jews (see Hibbat Zion movement in the 1880s).

That's just the religious belief aspect...
 
I'm about 5 minutes into it and so far so good.

My working theory for years has been that the god that chose the Israelites is not the God that Jesus prayed to.

The Old Testament god is a barbaric, conniving, slaughter all the women and children god.

While the God that Jesus prayed to is a loving and merciful Father God.

The word "Yahweh" is in the Old Testament over 6000 times, and in the New Testament exactly zero times.

If Jesus is "fulfilling the law" doesn't it seem reasonable that he would address God the same way his ancestors did at least a few times....?

Jesus was referring to Yaweh when He said "Before Abraham was I AM." There are (or were) Christian sects who believed what you suggested but I don't think that a solid biblical position. The whole point of much of Jesus' life was to fulfill those same Old Testament scriptures. And as for whether the God of the New Testament is vengful, there is that whole lake of fire thing. With regards to why seems that seem barbaric today, like genocide, were sanctioned in the Old Testament, Pete (may he rest in peace) had the theory based on the book of Enoch that the races that God had Israel wipe out were the Nephalim who somehow continued after the flood that was supposed to wipe them out. I'm not sure if I believe it, but it kind of makes sense.

the interview at 20:00 thru 21:30....... who is the older woman?

Shulamit Aloni, former Israeli minister of education.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shulamit_Aloni
 
That would depend upon your religious beliefs. This would be a meaningless question for the majority of the world (Hindus, Buddhists, Confucianism, Taoism, Shinto, Sikh, Pagans, Wiccans, Druids, Zoroastrians, a wide variety of native American and African beliefs, etc).

Muslims and some Christian denominations do not believe that modern Jews enjoy any special chosen status, or rights to any specific pieces of land.

Zionism is a relatively new concept, mostly believed by dispensationalist Christians (see Darby in the 1830s), and later adopted by many, but not all, Jews (see Hibbat Zion movement in the 1880s).

That's just the religious belief aspect...

Yeah. The OP video is aimed squarely at Christians. I don't expect Muslims or Buddhists (especially Buddhists) to think there is anything special religious wise with regards to Jews. And Christians are the ones driving U.S. foreign policy on the right.
 
I think people who accept Christ they are the chosen ones many of them are Jews and probably even Muslims, Buddhist, and others.
 
Wut?

The Jews are not God's All Stars?

Blasphemy!

They are God's all-stars in the sense that HE chose them and THAT is what makes them a special people. But the situation is more complicated today than it has ever been, and it was never simple!

- At Mount Sinai, the people of Israel immediately broke God's covenant with them. The appropriate metaphor, here, is that the wife cheated on her husband on the wedding night, sleeping with an old beau from back in the day! People often misunderstand why God is so angry -- he's literally doing the thing that every single atheist says that God should do if he wants people to believe in him... a collective, mass, supernatural manifestation to the entire congregation of Israel, demonstrating to them his unequivocally divine power and nature, to the point that they are literally scared to death of God! (Exo. 20:19) And in that context, they choose to make a golden calf and worship it, right in the sight of the mountain on which God's glory rests.

- In the Wilderness, the Israelites rebel against God several times, the worst of which is when the 10 spies return with a report that there are giants (Nephilim) in the land of Canaan. At this, they decide to call it quits and resolve to return to Egypt. Moses stops them but God sentences all Israelites over the age of 20 to die off there in the Wilderness (except Joshua and Caleb), which is why they wander for another 40 years. Only the new generation is allowed to enter (this is important for the present subject, so remember it).

- After entering Canaan, they are ruled by judges (Moses and Joshua being the first two judges) for a time and they devolve into various kinds of idolatry. Finally, they resolve to have a king. Samuel warns them that the king will abuse them:

Samuel told all the words of the LORD to the people who were asking him for a king.

He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots.

He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants.

Your menservants and maidservants and the best of your cattle and donkeys he will take for his own use. He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day."

But the people refused to listen to Samuel. "No!" they said. "We want a king over us. (1 Sam. 8:10-19)

(Notice that last phrase. Ring a bell? "No, not him! Give us Barabbas!", they shouted.)

- After God establishes the kingdom of Israel, it remains united through Solomon (Saul, David, Solomon), then it splits. The northern tribes are taken captive to Assyria. Much later, the southern tribes are conquered by Babylon and taken into exile. The southern tribes return to Israel 70 years later, the northern tribes are "lost" (also an important point but not one we will go into here).

- 430 years after the return from Exile, Messiah is born. That is the beginning of the church Age. That is when the Jewish rulers make the fateful choice to murder the Son of God on false charges, handing him over to the Romans to be executed in the most brutal fashion possible. That is when God shut the door on his chosen people, this time permanently, that is, until the end of time (Matt. 21:33-46).

- Nevertheless, the prophetic role of the children of Israel is not over. It can't be over, because what makes Jesus different from any other supposed savior is that he alone is of the descent of Abraham, of the line of David, the Messiah of the Israelites who was prophesied centuries, even millennia, before his appearance in history. Nobody else can claim that, not one single person. No other human defeated death, either, or has even claimed to. It's a claim so preposterous that nobody could believe it unless it actually happened. Thus, the people of Israel still matter in prophecy, because Jesus matters. There is more yet to come.

- The current State of "Israel" is not. It is founded on false-zionism, and it proves this on a daily basis by mistreating the foreigners living in its midst, (Lev. 19:33,34, Deut. 10:18,19). The prophetic significance of the State of "Israel" is undeniable, because God would not allow that name to be used on the global stage unless he had a prophetic purpose in it. But it is not the Israel of end-times prophecy, at least, not the righteous Israel of end times prophecy (see Ezek. 16 and compare to Rev. 18 to see who the false-zionists really are).

- When the Antichrist begins the 7-year tribulation of the saints (the church of Jesus), the Jews will believe that he is a good guy, in fact, every indication of prophecy is that they will receive him as the real Messiah, instead of Jesus (see John 5:43, etc.) After 3 1/2 years, the Antichrist will break the covenant of peace with them, and will seat himself in the rebuilt temple, proclaiming himself to be God and openly blaspheming the God of the Bible. This moment will be the "come to Jesus" moment of the lost Israelites, those who have been duped by this false-zionism. Then, they will have their eyes opened, and they will see clearly for the first time in thousands of years that Jesus of Nazareth was always their Messiah, that he indeed sacrificed his life for them, and that he is the only way back to the heavenly Father, just as he said 2,000 years ago, John 14:6. While not all of them will be saved, there is good reason to believe that the vast majority of them will be (Rom. 11:26). This will be the living generation who does not die in the spiritual Wilderness of the church Age!!

- As to salvation, Jesus is the only way to salvation. Everyone, Jew or Gentile, must believe that Jesus is the savior, that he is the Messiah of prophecy, that he came in the flesh, that he rose from the dead and has ascended to the right hand of the Father. All must turn from sin and receive the washing of regeneration from the Holy Spirit whom Jesus will send to them. There is no "other way". There is no "second path". There is just one path, one Shepherd, one Lord, one baptism -- ONE WAY. It is this very fact which will bring about the great cataclysm which we call the Apocalypse. There is no middle ground between these two things. Either Jesus is Lord, or he is not.

JESUS IS LORD (Phil. 2:5-11)
 
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I haven't watched the video yet.

My take is that there is a future for ethnic Israel that is not fulfilled in or transferred to the Church as a replacement for or new form of Israel, based on many scriptural promises.

But the question remains of where in the world today are the individual human beings who belong to ethnic Israel, to whom, or to whose descendants, God will keep the promises he made to the ancient biblical nation of Israel? What properties define who belongs to this group and who doesn't?

And I think the answer to those questions is that only God knows. I suspect that many people who identify as Jewish are part of biblical Israel, that many who identify as Jewish are not part of biblical Israel, that many who do not identify as Jewish belong to biblical Israel, and that many who do not identify as Jewish do not belong to biblical Israel. I also suspect that a large part of the population of people who actually count as the ethnic Israel that God recognizes are Arabs and Persians who are more often than not Muslims, who populate the nations whom modern Israel considers its enemies, and are totally unaware of ancestors of theirs who came from the biblical nation of Israel.
 
I am God's chosen person. The rest of you are schmucks :cool:

Yeah, well, after carefully studying the prophecies and consulting the auguries, I'm pretty sure that I am among God's chosen schmucks.

So at least there's that.
 
Yeah, well, after carefully studying the prophecies and consulting the auguries, I'm pretty sure that I am among God's chosen schmucks.

So at least there's that.

I, for one, depend upon spiritual leaders such as Mike Huckabee, Mark Levin and Shawn Hannity to tell me who my overlords should be.
 
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