Are Hispanic Immigrants America's Best Defense Against Tyranny?

[LibertyEagle]

It's just two fairly simple and uncontroversial points:

1) Donald Trump is a paragon of despotism, more so than any other candidate of either party.
2) Hispanic voters are likely to vote against him as a block.

As I see it, that one feat of saving America from Trump, by itself would justify amnesty for illegal immigrants. Sure Hillary's bad, but not as bad as Trump.

lololol. You're funny. Anything to pitch open borders for you.

 

[klamath]

The RCP Average has Hillary up 3.3 points, and the last two polls were 3 and 4 respectively. This is all in the context of Hillary being completely off the radar and Trump being pummeled mercilessly in the press. Hillary will not be able to hide in the General Election. Trump wins by at least 3 points Nationally and the EC vote will be a landslide as Trump's working class appeal will give him Northern States the GOP hasn't come close to touching in recent years.

Trump is losing to Hilary by the largest margin of any of the top republicans. Even Cruz is doing better than Trump even though Trump is getting non stop coverage.
People are most likely to turn out to vote if they believe a candidate will personally effect them in a positive and negative way. Trump will have every Hispanic voter turning out to vote against him in far greater numbers than other elections. Their voting numbers have grown 16 % in the last four years.

 

[erowe1]

1) Other than Rand Paul or Possibly Ted Cruz, Trump is the best candidate in the race from a Liberty Perspective.

No he isn't. He's the absolute worst from a liberty perspective. I think you meant to say from a white nationalist perspective.

2) The Hispanic vote is almost irrelevant in national elections, but Trump is almost certainly going to get more of the Hispanic vote than any Republican in modern history. If the lily white, homosexual, beta males at Reason left their hipster DC cocoon once and a while and talked to an actual Mexican, maybe they'd understand that last fact a little better.

That is not true. The hispanic vote is very relevant.

 

[jkob]

Trump is losing to Hilary by the largest margin of any of the top republicans. Even Cruz is doing better than Trump even though Trump is getting none stop coverage.
People are most likely to turn out to vote if they believe a candidate will personally effect them in a positive and negative way. Trump will have every Hispanic voter Turning out to vote against him in far greater number than other elections. The voting numbers have grown 16 % in the last four years.

Trump's general election chances are hard to gauge since I think he would target the working and lower class unlike any GOP candidate ever has before, I think he'll start incorporating a lot more left-wing populism and make a play for organized labor because obviously there will be a lot of discontent with Hillary as the Democratic nominee. If Trump can win places like Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania then he'll be president. Hispanics already have turn out in mass for Barack Obama, he won 70%+ of their vote and the same with Muslims too so it is doubtful things will get too much worse. Will black voters who turned out in historic numbers in 2008 and 2012 be as excited about Hillary Clinton as they were Barack Obama? Remember Hillary tried essentially this same strategy of courting the working class white vote against the black candidate in 2008 and she almost won so I think we shouldn't underestimate Trump's chances. National polls at this time mean nothing really, Ben Carson and Mike Huckabee always polled well as general election candidates but could you imagine them on stage dealing with a full frontal assault by the media? Hillary has trailed in quite a few state polls in swing states, she has trailed at times in national polls as well, you can't predict this election a year out. I am almost 100% sure there would be a third party challenge if Trump is the nominee, probably some spawn of satan ticket of Bloomberg/Graham or something.

 

[klamath]

Trump's general election chances are hard to gauge since I think he would target the working and lower class unlike any GOP candidate ever has before, I think he'll start incorporating a lot more left-wing populism and make a play for organized labor because obviously there will be a lot of discontent with Hillary as the Democratic nominee. If Trump can win places like Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania then he'll be president. Hispanics already have turn out in mass for Barack Obama, he won 70%+ of their vote and the same with Muslims too so it is doubtful things will get too much worse. Will black voters who turned out in historic numbers in 2008 and 2012 be as excited about Hillary Clinton as they were Barack Obama? Remember Hillary tried essentially this same strategy of courting the working class white vote against the black candidate in 2008 and she almost won so I think we shouldn't underestimate Trump's chances. National polls at this time mean nothing really, Ben Carson and Mike Huckabee always polled well as general election candidates but could you imagine them on stage dealing with a full frontal assault by the media? Hillary has trailed in quite a few state polls in swing states, she has trailed at times in national polls as well, you can't predict this election a year out. I am almost 100% sure there would be a third party challenge if Trump is the nominee, probably some spawn of satan ticket of Bloomberg/Graham or something.

Wrong. They could go 90%, have a much larger turnout, and have 16% added to that. Election victories and losses are strictly determined by turnout numbers in all the different demographics. Trump has given the Hispanics a huge incentive to turn out. "Turn out or face a monster police force kicking your doors down and deporting your family" Add a runaway police force attitude inspired by the POTUS and those senoritas daughters will provide a little stress relief to the poor officers before they dump them in the desert.

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

Everyone who thinks the Hispanic vote is irrelevant, try this:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-swing-the-election/

Put Hispanics on 80% Democrat with 75% turnout. Texas becomes a swing state.

 

[dannno]

If you woke up one day and you were living in 1932ish Germany and Hillary Clinton was running against Hitler, who would you vote for?

 

[RJB]

If you woke up one day and you were living in 1932ish Germany and Hillary Clinton was running against Hitler, who would you vote for?

Nobody is sometimes the best choice. Quite an upstanding citizen.

 

[dannno]

Nobody sometimes is the best choice.

Is it?

I mean, you could potentially thwart WWII, the Holocaust and save tens of millions of lives.

I don't know if Trump will go full Hitler, maybe he really cares and will make reasonable decisions.. but I can also see him going full Hitler. I won't vote for either in this case, but if you knew Trump was going to go full Hitler it might make sense to go back in time and vote against him in hindsight if it were going to make a difference.

 

[RJB]

I don't know if Trump will go full Hitler,

I don't know if Hillary will go full Stalin either.

 

[dannno]

I don't know if Hillary will go full Stalin either.

Ya that's why I won't vote for her over Trump. I told one of my progressive friends just the other day if Trump gets in this is going to be like choosing between Hitler and Stalin... But if you KNEW in hindsight Trump was going to go full Hitler, and the probability for a non-Stalin Clinton Presidency existed it might be tempting.

 

[RJB]

Ya that's why I won't vote for her over Trump. I told one of my progressive friends just the other day if Trump gets in this is going to be like choosing between Hitler and Stalin... But if you KNEW in hindsight Trump was going to go full Hitler, and the probability for a non-Stalin Clinton Presidency existed it might be tempting.

Today, I'm a bad one to have a discussion with, my friend. I'm in a dark cynical mode where I see them all as puppets that TPTB has dirt on, and I just want to pack up my things and live deep in the Alaskan wilderness and civilization can go to hell as it seems headed.

 

[tod evans]

Today, I'm a bad one to have a discussion with, my friend. I'm in a dark cynical mode where I see them all as puppets that TPTB has dirt on, and I just want to pack up my things and live deep in the Alaskan wilderness and civilization can go to hell as it seems headed.

Sucks when the rose colored glasses lose their tint eh?

 

[klamath]

Everyone who thinks the Hispanic vote is irrelevant, try this:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-swing-the-election/

Put Hispanics on 80% Democrat with 75% turnout. Texas becomes a swing state.

Interesting tool. Even figuring a drop in black support and voter turnout to account for Obama not being on the ballot but a higher turnout in Hispanics you can actually flip Texas to the democrats.

 

[jmdrake]

1. Good on Foreign Policy (end the Cold War with Russia, Iraq War Idiotic, Supports Assad, ect)
2. Good on ending Mass Migration.
3. Hated by the elites of both parties. This sets up an unheard of dynamic where the President will to a large degree be opposed by both Political Parties in Congress. This will led Congress to assert some of its lots authority and perhaps resemble an independent branch of government once again. The Congressional surrender of virtually all its authority to the Executive Branch in the latter half of the 20th Century is a major institutional cause of the rise of Big Government.

1) He's bad on property rights. He supports the idea that the government should be able to steal your property under eminent domain and give it to a private developer.
2) He's bad at managing his own money. Yeah I said it. Start me out with 200 M in inheritance and bail me out 4 times and I could get to 2 billion in the same time frame.
3) He supports, or supported amnesty for illegal immigrants. (Good on ending mass migration my butt).
4) He supports a massive government takeover of the internet based on the false idea that it will help fight ISIS.
5) He supported the TARP bailouts.

Horrible choice for president.

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

Interesting tool. Even figuring a drop in black support and voter turnout to account for Obama not being on the ballot but a higher turnout in Hispanics you can actually flip Texas to the democrats.

Yes, you would need a large number of white Democrats to switch to the GOP to make up for it, which I don't see happening.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Let's just all hope not.

 

[Sergeant Brother]

Saying that Hispanic immigration will save us from Trump is like saying that amputating your legs will save you from stubbing your toe. A Trump presidency, if it could actually happen, might reduce our freedoms to some degree, but if Hispanic immigration continues unabated it will eventually not only destroy our freedoms but make regaining them completely impossible.

 

[The Free Hornet]

Saying that Hispanic immigration will save us from Trump is like saying that amputating your legs will save you from stubbing your toe. A Trump presidency, if it could actually happen, might reduce our freedoms to some degree, but if Hispanic immigration continues unabated it will eventually not only destroy our freedoms but make regaining them completely impossible.

Another racist mofo who doesn't realize that 97% of non-hispanic whites are hardcore statists. The nation has already destroyed freedom without help south of the order.

 

[RonPaulMall]

Everyone who thinks the Hispanic vote is irrelevant, try this:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-swing-the-election/

Put Hispanics on 80% Democrat with 75% turnout. Texas becomes a swing state.

75% turnout? LOL. What kind of fantasy world are you living in where you think 75% of Mexicans are going to turn out to vote? And if it looked like that was even remotely possible, you don't think whites would turn out to vote in similar numbers to counter them?

The Hispanic vote is irrelevant, and Trump is going to do much better among Hispanics than any GOP candidate in history anyway.