April 19, 1993: The Waco Siege & Massacre
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The sun rises.
The sun sets.
But more certain than tomorrow's sunrise, is the judgment of God upon the wicked...
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Are you commenting on the stupidity of the general public or excusing them?
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Yeah, because barbecuing children is a totally understandable response to the existence of someone being a psycho and, of course, perfectly consistent with the US Constitution and American values.
The Waco extermination is one of the most poignant examples in modern history of the horrific dangers of tyranny that the Founding Fathers fought and died to eradicate from this country. We hold their sacrifices cheap to our own peril...
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Foam in the mouth...again... just making honest observation
BTW Feds had info & blueprint to handle this cult back in 1987 when HE & followers stormed SAME compound with guns & shot religions leader he was trying to upend.
Can't make this stuff up.
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This is why we live in tyranny.
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Interesting first hand pov , from Baylor U article
Rod Aydelotte, Photographer at the Waco Tribune-Herald
Aydelotte is the current photo chief at the Waco Tribune-Herald and was one of the first journalists at the scene on Feb. 28, 1993. When he drove away in his new silver Honda after the shootout, there was a brand new bullet hole in the passenger side door.
“[The anniversary] doesn’t really stir up any emotions. People ask me that, but you know, I was just doing my job. It was crazy and went on forever — at least the siege. And then after the siege, it went on for years and years. I don’t really have any feelings about anything, so much as you get in situations like that, especially if you’re a journalist.
“When you get situations, it’s almost automatic. You don’t really let your emotions dictate. We were all automatic. The bigger problem I had was we were in the ditch. There’s a lot of firing for the first 30 or 40 minutes. It was cold, and then it started raining, and we got all wet. Every time we would look up, we got fired upon. Then the last time I looked up, there was a ceasefire, and all the agents were coming out. So we were walking down double E road, and I was more worried they were going to confiscate my film, so I was stuffing it everywhere I could in my pants. So eventually, we walked out with agents. And some were nice and some were harassing us, and I just didn’t know what to anticipate. I probably had about five or six rolls of film because there was no digital, and we processed that. And then my boss came in and said, ‘Somebody needs to get back out there.’
“I did have a really neat encounter on Feb. 28, when they had a ceremony for the ATF down by the Waco Suspension Bridge. I don’t know if you’ve seen any of my photos, but [in one of them], there’s a lead agent at the front door, gun up. Keep in mind, this has been 30 years, so I really have no contact with any of the ATF people. So out of the blue, weeks before the 28th, I got an email from a former FBI negotiator who wanted to get a reprint of that door. After trying to figure out if this guy was legit or not, I made a print and I took it down there and they had a ceremony for the ATF that we weren’t invited to. Frankly, they don’t really care for me. But long story short, I got to meet that guy. Turns out he was a really cool guy, and we talked for about 30 minutes about who fired first. And, of course, they say the Davidians fired first, which I believe that, but it was a really interesting moment to meet somebody famous in one of my photos that I’ve never met or never really thought I’d meet. We had a really great conversation about his perspective on when they approached the compound. That was a remarkable moment, since I never thought in the world I’d actually talk to any of those guys. So I hadn’t really told my story too much. I talked to him about it. That’s probably the more poignant part of the whole thing outside of being there.”
Rod Aydelotte, Photographer at the Waco Tribune-Herald
Aydelotte is the current photo chief at the Waco Tribune-Herald and was one of the first journalists at the scene on Feb. 28, 1993. When he drove away in his new silver Honda after the shootout, there was a brand new bullet hole in the passenger side door.
“[The anniversary] doesn’t really stir up any emotions. People ask me that, but you know, I was just doing my job. It was crazy and went on forever — at least the siege. And then after the siege, it went on for years and years. I don’t really have any feelings about anything, so much as you get in situations like that, especially if you’re a journalist.
“When you get situations, it’s almost automatic. You don’t really let your emotions dictate. We were all automatic. The bigger problem I had was we were in the ditch. There’s a lot of firing for the first 30 or 40 minutes. It was cold, and then it started raining, and we got all wet. Every time we would look up, we got fired upon. Then the last time I looked up, there was a ceasefire, and all the agents were coming out. So we were walking down double E road, and I was more worried they were going to confiscate my film, so I was stuffing it everywhere I could in my pants. So eventually, we walked out with agents. And some were nice and some were harassing us, and I just didn’t know what to anticipate. I probably had about five or six rolls of film because there was no digital, and we processed that. And then my boss came in and said, ‘Somebody needs to get back out there.’
“I did have a really neat encounter on Feb. 28, when they had a ceremony for the ATF down by the Waco Suspension Bridge. I don’t know if you’ve seen any of my photos, but [in one of them], there’s a lead agent at the front door, gun up. Keep in mind, this has been 30 years, so I really have no contact with any of the ATF people. So out of the blue, weeks before the 28th, I got an email from a former FBI negotiator who wanted to get a reprint of that door. After trying to figure out if this guy was legit or not, I made a print and I took it down there and they had a ceremony for the ATF that we weren’t invited to. Frankly, they don’t really care for me. But long story short, I got to meet that guy. Turns out he was a really cool guy, and we talked for about 30 minutes about who fired first. And, of course, they say the Davidians fired first, which I believe that, but it was a really interesting moment to meet somebody famous in one of my photos that I’ve never met or never really thought I’d meet. We had a really great conversation about his perspective on when they approached the compound. That was a remarkable moment, since I never thought in the world I’d actually talk to any of those guys. So I hadn’t really told my story too much. I talked to him about it. That’s probably the more poignant part of the whole thing outside of being there.”
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This is a god damned lie and has been since day one.
We may never know who shot first at the front door, as the ATF destroyed the evidence (the missing steel door).
But the fact, confirmed by all involved, is that the ATF opened fire on the animals that the church members had penned up in pens in the front of the property, before even getting to the church.
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Who really knows anti-fed?
Full Baylor article:
https://baylorlariat.com/2023/04/19/30-years-of-documentaries-tv-series-and-podcasts-of-waco-siege/
Full Baylor article:
https://baylorlariat.com/2023/04/19/30-years-of-documentaries-tv-series-and-podcasts-of-waco-siege/
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Yes, you are spouting rabid propaganda.
The Clinton administration, marching to globalist orders (probably from the Bug-Eaters we now know so well), had determined that "domestic right-wing extremism" was THE domestic hot-button issue in America, and Koresh happened to tick off all the propaganda boxes to be made a public example of what will happen to anyone who "resists the New World Order." How Waco was orchestrated is less interesting to me than why. No matter how foul Koresh was, those children and the other innocents on the compound did not deserve to be barbecued alive. Waco did not "happen", it was orchestrated, and the purpose was to instill fear into anyone imagining that they could resist the New World Order by force. The message went out loud and clear to right-wing conservatives, I know, I was there. The particular details of Koresh's mental illness were irrelevant... the point was to murder people on live TV, for "resisting Federal authority", to give a clear mental image of the fate of all who dare to violently resist the inevitable globalist NWO.
Let me translate it down to simpler terms that anyone can understand: one way or another, you will take the mark of the Beast, or this is your fate:
That is why Waco happened. That is the message. It was successfully sent, and delivered. As intended. Just had to barbecue six dozen innocents alive, that's all... you can keep trying to understand it outside of a spiritual framework, but you're wasting your time...
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I know.
The fact that feds opened fire first, without warning or provocation, on the penned animals, was established as fact in the early days of the murder trials of the surviving members.
It was one of the critical facts that led to their acquittal of all murder charges.
Yes he was. No arguement. But he and his followers weren't bothering anyone. What happened to them was wrong and the guilty have never been held accountable.
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And even if Koresh had been doing something requiring a police response, barbecuing six dozen innocents alive, along with him, was absolutely unjustifiable.
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More importantly, they were doing nothing illegal.
The whole thing was based on a ginned up and fake warrant based on false testimony by ATF agent Aguilera
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