AP Smears Home-Schooler and Anti-Vaccine Persons

[Kade]

I see the EXACT opposite of what you people see in this...

In fact, New Thread.

 

[lucius]

...Thomas Glocer, CEO of Reuters is also a Director of Merck...

Business as usual...

 

[steve005]

the anti-vaccine stuff is extremely dumb

it's in the same league as people who think the majority of "alternative medicines " are anything more than placebos

You are extremely dumb, or a troll

 

[angelatc]

So nearly half of the kids weren't vaccinated? What about the slightly over half that were and still got it? Lmao.

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That's not what it says. It says half were children whose parents had rejected the vaccines. Children under ...15 months IIRC aren't vaccinated, and children with other medical problems aren't always vaccinated either. Only 11 kids had least 1 dose of the vaccine.

 

[angelatc]

I would be questioning why the other half who got it are vaccinated, but they still got it. This article implies that the other half, the ones that are not the unvaccinated children, are vaccinated. Thats the real question. How does one who is vaccinated get the disease they are vaccinated against?

It's common knowledge that the vaccine isn't perfect - it doesn't create the antibodies in every single person. Those folks are generally protected by the immunity of the herd though. So, as the herd becomes weaker, it stands to reason that more cases of people who got vaccines but ended up sick would rise, simply because they're going to be exposed more.

 

[Printo]

Well yeah, if the number of kids who did and didn't get vaccinated were equal. Otherwise,

9000 kids vaccinated, 11 got it.
90 kids not vaccinated, 10 got it.

So of kids vaccinated, 0.12% came down with the sickness.

Of those who did NOT receive the vaccine, 11.11% came down with the illness...

SO, the chances that your child will come down with the illness if they do NOT receive the vaccine is 92X greater.

I am all for freedom of choice but given the risks of not having a vaccine, why would you risk your childs health & well-being?

 

[angelatc]

So of kids vaccinated, 0.12% came down with the sickness.

Of those who did NOT receive the vaccine, 11.11% came down with the illness...

SO, the chances that your child will come down with the illness if they do NOT receive the vaccine is 92X greater.

Probably even greater, because some of those kids had 1 dose of the vaccine.

I am all for freedom of choice but given the risks of not having a vaccine, why would you risk your childs health & well-being?

My kids are vaccinated, but there are several reasons parents choose not to vaccinate, or to vaccinate later, after the kid is a little older. Most of the diseases are not fatal for healthy people. If the vaccines do have unintended side effects, like autism, then some parents feel that it is worth having short term sicknesses if it means reducing the risk of inducing an unknown neurological reaction.

 

[lucius]

Then you have the 'wild-cards' such as this to factor in (see Dr. Robert S. Mendelsohn, M.D. point four below):

"The recent data shows that common childhood vaccines are especially dangerous to children with a strong family history of diabetes," Classen said. "Parents of a child with a strong family history of insulin-dependent diabetes ... should know that the administration of a full series of vaccines may have a greater than 5 percent chance of causing their child to develop diabetes."

Another study, published in the same issue of the Open Pediatric Medicine Journal, demonstrated a connection between the hepatitis B vaccine and Type 2 diabetes.

Source: The Open Pediatric Medicine Journal, 2008, 2, 7-10 7
1874-3099/08 2008 Bentham Science Publishers Ltd.
Risk of Vaccine Induced Diabetes in Children with a Family History of Type 1 Diabetes, John Barthelow Classen*

Here is another physician’s opinion concerning immunizations from chapter 19, ‘IMMUNIZATION AGAINST DISEASE: A medical time bomb?’ from the book, ‘How To Raise a Healthy Child…In Spite of Your Doctor’ pages 210-211, by Robert S. Mendelsohn, M.D.:

“Although I administered them myself during my early years of practice, I have become a steadfast opponent of mass inoculations because of the myriad hazards they present. The subject is so vast and complex that it deserves a book of its own. Consequently, I must be content here with summarizing my objections to the fanatic zeal with which pediatricians blindly shoot foreign proteins into the body of your child without knowing what eventual damage they may cause.

Here is the core of my concern:

1) There is no convincing scientific evidence that mass inoculations can be credited with eliminating any childhood disease. While it is true that some once common childhood diseases have diminished or disappeared since inoculations were introduced. No one really knows why, although improved living conditions may be the reason. If immunizations were responsible for the disappearance of these diseases in the United States, one must ask why they disappeared simultaneously in Europe, where mass immunizations did not take place.

2) It is commonly believed that the Salk vaccine was responsible for halting the polio epidemics that plagued American children in the 1940s and 1950s. If so, why did the epidemics also end in Europe, where polio vaccine was not so extensively used? Of greater current relevance, why is the Sabin live virus vaccine still being administered to children when Dr. Jonas Salk, who pioneered the first vaccine, points out that Sabin vaccine is now causing most of the polio cases that appear. Continuing to force this vaccine on children is irrational medical behavior that simply confirms my contention that doctors consistently repeat their mistakes. With the polio vaccine we are witnessing a rerun of the medical reluctance to abandon the smallpox vaccination, which remained as the only source of smallpox-related deaths for three decades after the disease had disappeared.

3) There are significant risks associated with every immunization and numerous contraindications that may make it dangerous for the shots to be given to your child. Yet doctors administer them routinely, usually without warning parents of the hazards and without determining whether the immunization is contraindicated for the child. No child should be immunized without making that determination, yet small armies of children are routinely lined up in clinics to receive a shot in the arm with no questions asked!

4) While the myriad short-term hazards of most immunizations are known (but rarely explained), no one knows the long-term consequences of injecting foreign proteins into the body of your child. Even more shocking is the fact that no one is making any structured effort to find out.

5) There is a growing suspicion that immunization against relatively harmless childhood disease may be responsible for the dramatic increase in autoimmune diseases since mass inoculations were introduced. These are fearful diseases such as cancer, leukemia, rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, Lou Gehrig’s disease, lupus erythematosus, and the Guillain-Barre syndrome. An autoimmune disease can be explained simply as one in which the body’s defense mechanisms cannot distinguish between foreign invaders and ordinary body tissues, with the consequence that the body begins to destroy itself. Have traded mumps and measles for cancer and leukemia?”

As a parent, I highly recommend this book.

This is just my take; medical solutions are sold just like the latest wars, with fear. Do your own research, roll your own dice, just don't mandate it for my kids. I will agree with the good doctor on this one:

"When we give government the power to make medical decisions for us, we, in essence, accept that the state owns our bodies." ~U.S. Representative Ron Paul

 

[MinorityView]

Lucius wrote:

medical solutions are sold just like the latest wars, with fear. Do your own research, roll your own dice, just don't mandate it for my kids.

An example of vaccine marketing: http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/08/07/health-marketing-risk-communication-and-the-media/

Remember the Great Influenza Vaccine Shortage a few years back?

Panic swept the nation after the FDA rejected many European flu shots because of possible contamination during manufacturing. What was left was rationed according to age and risk factors, and the public could be seen every night on the news waiting in long lines to get the remaining doses.

Now, setting aside for the moment the ongoing questions regarding the usefulness of flu shots in any age group, especially the elderly, one might come to wonder what has changed in recent years to bring about this new terror regarding influenza.

The answer, as outlandish and implausible as it might sound, is that this fear has been manufactured and marketed by the people in public health.

They've even got a step-by-step recipe for scaring people about a particular disease. This strategy has worked really well for Gardasil. All sorts of people who hadn't ever thought about cervical cancer are now absolutely convinced that their daughters will die if they don't get vaccinated.

 

[pacelli]

So nearly half of the kids weren't vaccinated? What about the slightly over half that were and still got it? Lmao.

+1 seems that the vaccine didn't work.

 

[nevadamidwife]

I submit for consideration that there are advantages and costs to vaccinating our children that are easily seen, and then there are those that are harder to see. The long-term unseen costs of vaccinations are as worthy of consideration as the immediate, easy to see advantages. If I were the regional, state, national, or world director of public health, I would be a heavy handed promoter of universal vaccinations. Universal vaccinations appear on the surface to have easily calculable advantages to the masses of humanity. However, as a parent who has read much, and who has seen children of friends, family, church, etc., who have clearly been harmed by vaccinations, the decision is harder. I only have one chance to make the right choice for *this* child.

I have learned much from reading RP friendly websites. This subject reminds me of the many conversations on LewRockwell.com about "broken window fallacy" and "unseen costs".

Cheers!