Anything new clearing Dr. Paul on those newsletter articles?

I feel like I've hit a roadblock while doing my canvassing as a precinct leader. I'm having a REAL tough time convincing people that our good Dr. Paul is NOT a racist.

Unfortunately, I can't provide them any proof that Ron Paul DIDN'T write those articles. :(

WHAT CAN I DO? :confused:

You cannot prove a negative. You can never prove that Ron Paul did not write something. Imagine showing them a picture of him not writing the letters. What would that prove?

What you want to show them is that he is innocent in the affair and what evidence to you have for that? Not so much I think. He is guilty and he has assumed "moral responsibility" whatever that is... It sounds like responsibility without consequence and that doesn't make much sense.

Instead you should focus on what you do know.

Ron Paul has writings that you can prove he wrote and he has speeches that you can prove he has said. All of those writings and speeches talk about freedom and liberty and individual responsibility.

You can point to the "black voters" debate and how Dr. Paul was the only one, who bothered to show up, that did not pander. Why didn't he pander? Because he believes that freedom is not an issue for any self identified subset of Americans but for America at large. He said the same thing he would have said to any other group of Americans.

Plus, these newsletters were known about since 1996. Why didn't Tavis Smiley bring them up? Why didn't Tim Russert bring them up? He is the guy known for asking the tough questions. They knew about these articles and they knew they were not written by Dr. Paul. Who ended up bringing this issue up? A yellow journalist who wanted to make a name for himself. Now the MSM can quote him instead of bringing it up themselves.

All of the above is really just window dressing thou...

Anyone who would reject Dr. Paul as a racist has to care about all people and what is best for them. I guess they would then have to look at the issues and what is best for minorities as well as America as a whole.

Would it make sense to reject a person over an innuendo about racism and instead elect a person who would continue racist policies that affect minorities to the largest extent?

The policies that will be enacted if Dr. Paul does not become President Paul would continue the status quo... What is the greater harm to the Americans who were written about in the news letters?

Prisons filled with non violent drug offenders... a large portion of those are
African American.
A welfare state that rewards non productivity and has broken the homes of millions of low income earning families that can bring in more money if no father is at home.

The idea that if you subsidize something you get more of it... What do we subsidize today and do we want more of it?

Also, government believes that more of the poison must be the cure so they try and fix racism with racial quotas that just encourage more racism and ensure that we always look at people as members of groups and not individuals.

Why would Ron Paul want would undo all of these bad policies that mainly hurt the people he is being accused of hating?

I think Dr. Paul showed amazingly poor judgment in letting these letters get published and in his defense of these letters today. That poor judgment could rightfully call into question his leadership ability. However, it should be weighed against the good and in the balance he is the best candidate in the field and he would be a great president. He has too long a track record of honor and honesty to let this one issue put him out of the running.
 
lol - You people accusing me of being a "troll" have NO IDEA how wrong you are! :rolleyes:
 
Just tell the people that Ron Paul is the highest polling Republican among blacks. He's the only one that doesn't want to murder brown-skinned people in the middle east. The other Rep candidates make more racist comments in each debate than all the racist comments in all the newsletters combined.

Also tell the people that Ron Paul gets more support from active military personel and veterans than any other candidate.

Ironically you want to use polling and group think to answer this question. Haven't we learned that both are useless?

People should reason things like this out for themselves. Why care about the opinions of other people? What are those opinions based on?What does it matter who polls highest amongst blacks?

By that logic the Democrats stand for the best interests of black people. I know that is not true because all of the policies they support actually keep black people in a position to need Democrats. If racism was ever truly no longer an issue and class warfare was no longer an issue then the Democrats would lose that constituency. I hope this is just the unforeseen consequence of do-gooders in government but regardless of the intention the result is what is important.

You also are trying to explain bad behavior by pointing to more bad behavior and that isn't useful either.
 
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Can we please get 234 more threads about the nasty newsletters, and make sure we discuss each thread. Do not let this story die. :eek: :rolleyes:
 
Can we please get 234 more threads about the nasty newsletters, and make sure we discuss each thread. Do not let this story die. :eek: :rolleyes:

Could you please stop SPAMMING threads with your oversized text?

It's really annoying.
 
Here is a great comment I read in the economist on the newsletter 'controversy':

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2008/01/the_rockwell_files.cfm

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I have read all the material in question. I come away feeling more that this is more of a political correctness issue than a racism issue. The style of writing has a tendency to "rant" in places but as far as the factual content is concerned, there is not much to complain about. Thomas Sowell has written material with similar content -- http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1576 �€“ as has Walter Williams -- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59371 -- yet if the author of politically incorrect views just happens to be white, then saying anything critical of people of other races is taken as prima facie evidence that he must be a racist. Why is it okay for black intellectuals to say something critical of blacks, but not okay for a white person to do so? If something is true, it is true regardless of the color of the skin of the author. So, which is it? -- Are Williams and Sowell racists and/or intellectual prostitutes? Or is there simply a lot of hypocritical politically correct reverse racism at work here?

Even if you choose to define "racism" so that those newsletters stand as proof that their author is a racist, it is very much a garden variety of racism that is probably harbored by a very large number, if not an outright majority, of white people. If looking at reality head-on and calling it what it is constitutes "racism," then make me a racist. (Again, I'm not vouching for the "ranting" tone in places, just noting that the factual content is generally not distorted.) However, before calling someone like me a racist, you should know that I have been happily interracially married for a quarter century.

I can't remember the details now, but I remember a few years back -- long before Dr. Paul's current presidential bid was on the horizon -- there was a fairly regular contributor to lewrockwell.com who got blackballed by Rockwell for making racist statements in his writings. Thus the current controversy strikes me as all the more ironic. Rockwell has been vigorous in shutting out racism from lewrockwell.com and it pains me to see him and Dr. Paul being painted as racists in spite of their vigorous opposition to racism. At a now-defunct Kinist website called Little Geneva, Rockwell and other contributors to lewrockwell.com were despised by Little Geneva�€™s Harry Seabrook precisely for having taken a stand that adamantly rejects racism as contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

This whole tempest in a teapot shows that some subjects are taboo precisely because they are TOO IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS OPENLY. That�€™s a shame. If you can't discuss something in the public square without being demonized, it is a sure sign of a problem that is not going to get better. How can it get better if you can't even discuss it?

Be that as it may, I pray that Dr. Paul and the many good people around him will be vindicated of this slander so attention can be focused where it belongs -- on Dr. Paul's platform, which goes light years farther than anything any other candidate is able to propose toward fixing the single greatest perpetrator of social injustice in American society: the Welfare-Warfare State and the fraudulent monetary system that finances it. Ron Paul, on account of his policies, really is by far the best friend of economically disadvantaged people -- regardless of the color of their skin -- in America today.
 
Can we please get 234 more threads about the nasty newsletters, and make sure we discuss each thread. Do not let this story die. :eek: :rolleyes:

I don't know about you but I didn't sign on to be an apologist or to look the other way. I believed I had finally found someone I could vote for without any rationalization exercises about "lesser of two evils" etc...

Until this issue is dealt with by the campaign in a comprehensive way that is not dismissive we will have to discuss it's importance and impact. The fact that so many people are still so interested in this issue speaks for itself.

This campaign at it's heart is about individual responsibility. We donate money and time and we want nothing in return except the opportunity to think for ourselves and live in freedom.

A group of people who gather for this purpose aren't going to shut-up because you use size 7 font. That might work at dailykos but I think we are more principled than that.
 
another good comment:

Henry P wrote:
If you step back, what's phenomenal is that the media, acting as one, took an ancient story that's been readily available to everyong for 15 years and could not gain traction because the words can't be attributed to Paul, and refurbished it as "breaking news." And all these news outlets that had no interest for this entire year while the "Ron Paul revolution" has been gaining ground, suddenly, on cue, can't stop writing articles about Ron Paul ...

Remember when over fifty thousand people demonstrated in the streets in America and all over the country on December 16, '07? I watched the news to see how it was treated, and what was reported? That McCain was endorsed by what, TWO newspaper editors? Did this news outlet bat an eye on the day that fifty thousand plus people all over the country took to the streets for Paul and broke all fund-raising records? Was there a bigger story on that day?

You can watch this steady manufacturing of public opinion. They're throwing everything they've got at Paul at the most vital time. To anyone with an ounce of brains this story says much more about our media, acting as one, to make the public think whatever it decides we're going to think, than it does about Ron Paul.

I hope anyone reading realizes this news outlet is ultimately owned by one of the five mega-corporations that own all of our news outlets (all five of which endorse a common world-view)and that these reporters don't have free will. They could just as easily be harping on the fact that Giuliani is considered a coward and a fraud by NY firemen, or Hillary's very, very shady past with Bill, complete with a body count ... And then you readers would be up in arms about Giuliani or Hillary. But they've handed you this contrived scandal, so now you respond to the stimuli and get up in arms about Ron Paul.

Have fun being lab rats. You people go ahead and get excited about 15 year old photo copies while the American economy utterly self destructs ... I hope these news outlets continue to feed us thrilling, manufactured scandals, so we have something to talk about in the soup lines.
 
Matt:

Thanks for the correction. I will make the approriate
changes.

I look forward to Reason covering the story of the
NAACP defending Dr. Paul.

-Joe

--- Matt Welch <[email protected]> wrote:

> Dear Joe,
>
> Thanks for the e-mail.
>
> We didn't do an about-face on Paul, we aren't based
> in New York, and
> judging by the response to our work so far from
> Paul-supporting
> libertarians, there's a ton of people out there who
> *do* find those
> newsletters newsworthy to some degree.
>
> Best,
> Matt
>
> William Allen wrote:
> > This total about face on Ron Paul doesn't seem
> > reasonable. What candidate can live up to your
> > standards? Why are you alienating so many of your
> > readers?? What other candidate could you possibly
> say
> > supports "free minds and free markets"?
> >
> > I am starting to think that Adolf Ghouliani got to
> you
> > guys somehow. You guys are in New York, right?
> >
> > BTW, How the hell did Julie get the endorsement
> from
> > Pat Robertson?? A thrice married gun grabbing big
> > government pro-choice New Yorker! I am not a
> paranoid
> > Truther, but something smells sinister here.
> >
> > These old newsletters are not going to get
> traction
> > because it's not newsworthy, timely or relavent
> and
> > you are discrediting yourselves as a legitimate
> > libertarian news organization.
> >
> > I trust Dr. Paul when he says he is not a racist-
> more
> > than I trust you when you claim to be libertarian.
> >
> > -Joe Allen
> >
> >
> >
 
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