Anyone in Martial Arts??? If you're not, you should be.

[LiveFree79]

People need to abandon the martial arts that do not spar and instead focus on the ones that do. Nothing will give you real life experience than actual fighting. That's why I propose that everyone either take judo, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, boxing, kickboxing (not cardio kickboxing), muay Thai, MMA, or some combination of these.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!! Real life fighting is not the same thing as self defense. Despite the hype and the popularity BJJ is very ineffective in a street self defense situation. Most BJJ ends up on the ground in some sort of grapple. If someone has a gun to your head or a knife to your throat the last thing you're going to do is try to put on a fancy lock. That's what BJJ teaches. That is not realistic at all when you are in a parking lot or a bar. If any of the arts you mentioned is worth anything in a "fight" it's probably boxing. Kickboxing is worthless. Most people are not skilled enough to be a good kickboxer. Plus one wrong kick and you're finished. Muay Thai isn't bad and is better than BJJ. But NONE of those arts deal with effective defense against edged weapons, guns, etc. Judo is a joke! No disrespect to anyone that trains in those arts but what works in a dojo does not work in the street.

 

[LiveFree79]

You can spend hours and hours sparring in a BJJ dojo. You can spend hours and hours sparring in a tae kwon do dojo? So what? When was the last time two BJJ guys dressed up in redman suits and went after each other? Sparring doesn't mean anything. That's the entire problem with traditional martial arts. Most MMA is also geared towards rules and "cages" or controlled environments. Most MMA fights end up on the ground. There is no groin strikes, there is no eye gouging, there is no biting. If someone tries to get you in a leg lock trust me you bit a hunk of flesh out of his leg and he'll let go. Look at Holyfields reaction when Tyson bit his ear. Now multiply that by 100. You eye gouge someone who's got you on the ground they will let go. Same thing with groin strikes. Or fish hooking. Rip someone's ear off and they'll be in pain. Fish hook someone's nose and they'll be in pain! Most martial arts do not teach you "dirty" or "violence" tactics like that. Those type of tactics will save your life when someone wants to kill you.

 

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[LiveFree79]

Yeah, I'd agree with that. At the American Kenpo school I took part in, we did 30 minute sparring sessions in our group classes. 5 minute "rounds" with no stopping, ie: we didn't count "points". People got paired up randomly so you fought people of all different sizes and ages.

With that said, one of things obvious from watching MMA is to not neglect the grappling. A lot of the martial arts are focused more on striking. I recognize this weakness in my own experience, I can strike well and if I can keep the fight on our feet, I can hold my own; but if i get into a streetfight with somebody with a lot of BJJ or wrestling experience, ie: somebody that wants to take the fight to the ground, I could be in for a world of hurt. Lucky for me, the few times I have needed my skills for defence it has been over and I was walking away; before I ended up on the ground.

Trust me if you're standing in a parking lot with concrete and gravel there IS NO BJJ guy that will try to take you to the ground. Ask yourself why BJJ is practiced on nice mats in a clean dojo. No glass, no gravel, no concrete, etc. BJJ can be effective but not the way it is taught in most mainstream schools in the US. You need to find a system that teaches real world self defense. I.e. incorporates many of the arts BUT also teaches you knife and gun defense.

 

[LiveFree79]

It's funny should say that, the vast majority of "techniques" I learned were all about "street situations" and using dirty tricks and defending against weapons. Of course the downside to that stuff is that you can't really practice it against somebody. I mean, should I fishhook and eye gouge my sparring partner?

Here's the difference between probably what you've learned and a real street situation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnhO8CtpWig&feature=related

 

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[LiveFree79]

I've seen the way most martial arts teach students against knives and guns. It's not realistic and it's usually done at a distance.

 

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[LiveFree79]

Well all I know of BJJ is what I have seen in MMA. But wrestling I do have experience seeing in real life. I've seen friends with a lot wrestling experience get into fights, and they always take it to the ground and end it quickly.

Getting into a fight having someone wanting to kill you for your sneakers is two different things.

I had a blackbelt friend in martial arts answer my question to him what if someone pulls a knife on you? He said well in all honesty I'd run! That is the smartest most honest answer I've ever heard from a BJJ guy. Problem is sometimes you can't run. And trust me no wrestler is going to wrestle around on concrete with broken glass, gravel etc. It might happen in a college bar or gym class whatever. Why do you think wrestlers wrestle on nice padded mats? Cause that shit hurts otherwise.

 

[LiveFree79]

Actually, that's pretty much the stuff I did learn.

But did you see the subtle differences he was talking about in the beginning? I seen how a lot of martial arts train knife defense from a distance or gun defense. They've got their arm out with the knife to your neck. People who are angry and in raged DO NOT attack like that. They grab you, shove you or pull you in close and stick that knife right into your throat. No BJJ guy is going to try to put a lock on some guy who's got you up against a wall with a knife to your throat. It's not realistic.

 

[LiveFree79]

Here's another example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uny7ptDTgt0&NR=1

 

[LiveFree79]

Now contrast that with this? LMAO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsi9OloTkuA&feature=related Notice how these guys are the same size? YOu think that shit is going to work with someone who outweighs you by 50 lbs? LMAO!

 

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[krazy kaju]

what works in a dojo does not work in the street.

EXACTLY. If you don't constantly spar, you'll fail miserably in the street. You can do all of your fancy katas, forms, and static self defense "techniques," but they'll all fail when you're in a REAL situation where someone is attacking you.

This is why sparring martial arts like judo and boxing are superior to non-sparring martial arts like most forms of wing chun.

Saying that Brazilian jiu-jitsu and judo won't work is just a plain ole false statement. Sport BJJ isn't the greatest art to train for obvious reasons, but a jiujitsiero will still outdo some kata-engrossed karateka due to sparring. MOST real world fights don't involve guns or knives and are better dealt by grapplers. As for judo, you clearly have never done any grappling. A single judo throw could easily kill someone if they're on concrete.

Boxing, muay Thai, and kickboxing are all martial arts that one can become good in and have a good basis for fighting. When you train in a sparring environment, you learn what does and doesn't work in real life fighting, improve your speed much faster than in static training, and get in shape much more quickly.

This isn't to say that there are other, additional things that would need to be added into these arts to make them more street effective. There are, for example, krav maga schools that actually train boxing and grappling arts in addition to krav maga. This creates a powerful combination: someone who knows what to do in the event of a knife attack AND someone who has the reflexes necessary for a REAL fight.

 

[LandonCook]

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!! Real life fighting is not the same thing as self defense. Despite the hype and the popularity BJJ is very ineffective in a street self defense situation. Most BJJ ends up on the ground in some sort of grapple. If someone has a gun to your head or a knife to your throat the last thing you're going to do is try to put on a fancy lock. That's what BJJ teaches. That is not realistic at all when you are in a parking lot or a bar. If any of the arts you mentioned is worth anything in a "fight" it's probably boxing. Kickboxing is worthless. Most people are not skilled enough to be a good kickboxer. Plus one wrong kick and you're finished. Muay Thai isn't bad and is better than BJJ. But NONE of those arts deal with effective defense against edged weapons, guns, etc. Judo is a joke! No disrespect to anyone that trains in those arts but what works in a dojo does not work in the street.

Dude, BJJ is for sport... nothing wrong with that.
But all martial art is not sport, i've taken Kuo Shou Sab Shou, Shotokan, and Karate Kempo... we learned all of what that guy was talking about. He's not that special. It just made me laugh.

I've fought in the street and the ring. Ring matches last 5 mins... Street fights last 5 seconds.

I do MMA for my health, and speed. Besides, its fun. Quit being a walking advertisement for joe douchebag.

 

[LiveFree79]

Dude, BJJ is for sport... nothing wrong with that.
But all martial art is not sport, i've taken Kuo Shou Sab Shou, Shotokan, and Karate Kempo... we learned all of what that guy was talking about. He's not that special. It just made me laugh.

The fact that you take anyting related to "karate" made me laugh. Kempo karate is a joke!

Shihan John Petrone, the big italian guy in the videos I posted, has actually grappled with a few of the Gracies. If you ever run into them ask them about him. You won't be laughing after you hear their response. And you know nothing........BJJ Is not just a sport. It's promoted as a self defense and fighting art all over the world. It has some concepts that are important and effective if used properly. But mostly it's ineffective by itself. Ever wonder why there are weight classes in BJJ and MMA?

 

[LiveFree79]

Dude, BJJ is for sport... nothing wrong with that.
But all martial art is not sport, i've taken Kuo Shou Sab Shou, Shotokan, and Karate Kempo... we learned all of what that guy was talking about. He's not that special. It just made me laugh.

I've fought in the street and the ring. Ring matches last 5 mins... Street fights last 5 seconds.

I do MMA for my health, and speed. Besides, its fun. Quit being a walking advertisement for joe douchebag.

Haha trust me buddy you've never been in a real self defense situation where someone wanted to smash your head in. Getting into a "fight" is not the same thing.

 

[LandonCook]

Haha trust me buddy you've never been in a real self defense situation where someone wanted to smash your head in. Getting into a "fight" is not the same thing.

Ha! Yes I have, I've been attacked by multiple punks before, as well as had knifes pulled on me. Had that shit happen to me with my girlfriend before and I put that bastard in a hole so don't think you know anything about me.

 

[LandonCook]

The fact that you take anyting related to "karate" made me laugh. Kempo karate is a joke!

Shihan John Petrone, the big italian guy in the videos I posted, has actually grappled with a few of the Gracies. If you ever run into them ask them about him. You won't be laughing after you hear their response. And you know nothing........BJJ Is not just a sport. It's promoted as a self defense and fighting art all over the world. It has some concepts that are important and effective if used properly. But mostly it's ineffective by itself. Ever wonder why there are weight classes in BJJ and MMA?

I learned everything that guy was saying in that video in Kempo.

BJJ is a sport. Only practical in a ring with gloves and one challenger.