Anyone else thinking of leaving the country if Ron doesn't win?

[FunkBuddha]

free state project...

I love my Country too much to walk away from her while she lay dying. The thought of it shortens my breath and brings tears to my eyes. I will stay and fight until the end, and I will teach my children to do the same.

There is a fire burning inside of me now and it cannot be contained. My aim is to enkindle that fire in as many other people as I possibly can.

I am not a Christian, but I am not an Atheist either. I believe God is on our side. We ARE the Remnant. I am a firm believer in reincarnation. I don't believe that every soul has the spark. The ones that do are the same souls that have fought this battle throughout history. The spark needs only to be fanned with Hope and it will erupt into an uncontrollable brushfire.

My wife and I are considering moving to New Hampshire if he doesn't win... We may move even if he does. This battle does not end even if Ron Paul is elected. We must be vigilant. It sure would be nice to live and raise our children around like-minded people.

 

[Defeat_the_Neocons]

People it's not about cowardice.

IF they do decide to attack Iran then there will be a draft. Do you want to be forced to fight for the them? Or your children forced? Even if you are not drafted, you will still have to work and pay taxes to fund whatever atrocities they are committing in America's name or be thrown in jail.

Would you not have left Nazi Germany? Or the Soviet Union? I know it's not half as bad as either of these examples yet it could be if we keep going down the same path.

If most of the country rises up in revolt then most certainly I would stay and fight. However, if the masses stay home watching football and American Idol then I would have to leave. There is a lot of people in this country who do not care about anything really than living a fat simple life and they most likely would fight against you.

And small revolts do not work anymore. The media would simply call you a terrorist and the powers-that-be would do a few false flag operations then you will be crushed.

I dearly hope Ron wins. This is really is a fight for our nation. Patriots vs The Corrupt. Peaceful Men vs Warmongers. Freedom vs Tyranny.

We gotta win this folks.

 

[Phenom24]

I thought Dr. Paul said he would like to be President of Switzerland! Wouldn't we logically follow him to Switzerland?



(have never been to Switzerland, but I hear some of you on the NZ comments.. We could be the American version of Flight of the Conchords..)

 

[davidkachel]

It doesn't end with a Ron Paul victory or defeat. It only begins.

Now THAT my friends is wisdom!

 

[davidkachel]

Not a good comparison. This makes me think you don't even know what the free state project is. To summarize: get a critical mass of liberty-minded people in a small-population state to change the system from within. NH has a very accessible state government (large citizen legislature spread out over a small population), and it's possible for a relatively small number of activists to have a very tangible effect on local and state policy.

I know exactly what the free state project is and I admire and respect those involved. However, neither they nor you understand totalitarianism. There is never a "clever solution" because they always simply nullify your clever solution. The free state project is just a new miniaturized twist on an old theme. That old theme was called the Confederate States of America. Perhaps you recall what happened to them when they tried to opt out of what they viewed as an unacceptable regime.

The free state project could work if the government was honest and respected rights and the Constitution. Now shall I tell you the one about the three bears?

To change the system from within is a non sequitur. Since the system has the power and the system's primary goal is to keep you from taking control, there is no legal or logistical cleverness that can work. And in particular, you cannot possibly defeat it from the bottom up. That's the Libertarian strategy: get enough people elected dog catcher and maybe you can enforce the Constitution... stupidity raised to an art form.

Getting Ron Paul elected president, now that just could work! When the head of the monster wants to kill the monster, it just might get done.

However, since the monster knows what we have in mind, knows Ron Paul's views and makes all the rules, legitmate and otherwise, it is going to take quite a miracle.

 

[DrNoZone]

I know exactly what the free state project is and I admire and respect those involved. However, neither they nor you understand totalitarianism. There is never a "clever solution" because they always simply nullify your clever solution.

...

The free state project could work if the government was honest and respected rights and the Constitution.

...

Getting Ron Paul elected president, now that just could work!

Oh, the irony!


As for me, I'm a signed Free State member and will be moving with my wife as soon as we possibly can.

 

[ThePieSwindler]

Oh, the irony!


As for me, I'm a signed Free State member and will be moving with my wife as soon as we possibly can.

move before the primaries...

 

[DrNoZone]

move before the primaries...

Man do I wish my life circumstances allowed such a quick move!

This is actually my second time as a member of the FSP. I was a member when the vote was taken for the state, but I opted out if my chosen state wasn't selected (WY). I have since come to see the wisdom in having chosen NH and I'm glad it won the vote. My wife is a first time member as she wasn't aware of the project until she met me. We're very excited to be a part of history in the making.

 

[davidkachel]

As for me, I'm a signed Free State member and will be moving with my wife as soon as we possibly can.

Good luck to you. And BTW, if it should come to it, that guy standing next to you with the rifle will be me. Considering how much I hate the cold, I hope you'll be grateful for the gesture!

 

[DrNoZone]

Good luck to you. And BTW, if it should come to it, that guy standing next to you with the rifle will be me. Considering how much I hate the cold, I hope you'll be grateful for the gesture!

Of course I would!

 

[Magsec]

Leave the semester before I get my Bachelor's? No thanks. If he doesn't get it, I'm just gonna buy RP shirts and bumper stickers on discount, start plastering the stickers on other people's cars or something lol. The rEVOLution won't end till I'm dead.

 

[davidkachel]

People it's not about cowardice.

IF they do decide to attack Iran then there will be a draft. Do you want to be forced to fight for the them? Or your children forced? Even if you are not drafted, you will still have to work and pay taxes to fund whatever atrocities they are committing in America's name or be thrown in jail.

Would you not have left Nazi Germany? Or the Soviet Union? I know it's not half as bad as either of these examples yet it could be if we keep going down the same path.

If most of the country rises up in revolt then most certainly I would stay and fight. However, if the masses stay home watching football and American Idol then I would have to leave. There is a lot of people in this country who do not care about anything really than living a fat simple life and they most likely would fight against you.

And small revolts do not work anymore. The media would simply call you a terrorist and the powers-that-be would do a few false flag operations then you will be crushed.

I dearly hope Ron wins. This is really is a fight for our nation. Patriots vs The Corrupt. Peaceful Men vs Warmongers. Freedom vs Tyranny.

We gotta win this folks.

Sigh! If people waited until "most of the country...." we would all still be British.

 

[margomaps]

I know exactly what the free state project is and I admire and respect those involved. However, neither they nor you understand totalitarianism. There is never a "clever solution" because they always simply nullify your clever solution. The free state project is just a new miniaturized twist on an old theme. That old theme was called the Confederate States of America. Perhaps you recall what happened to them when they tried to opt out of what they viewed as an unacceptable regime.

The free state project could work if the government was honest and respected rights and the Constitution. Now shall I tell you the one about the three bears?

To change the system from within is a non sequitur. Since the system has the power and the system's primary goal is to keep you from taking control, there is no legal or logistical cleverness that can work. And in particular, you cannot possibly defeat it from the bottom up. That's the Libertarian strategy: get enough people elected dog catcher and maybe you can enforce the Constitution... stupidity raised to an art form.

Getting Ron Paul elected president, now that just could work! When the head of the monster wants to kill the monster, it just might get done.

However, since the monster knows what we have in mind, knows Ron Paul's views and makes all the rules, legitmate and otherwise, it is going to take quite a miracle.

I apologize for assuming you didn't know what the FSP was about. It turns out that you do have some idea -- we just differ drastically in our levels of optimism that it can work.

When I mentioned "changing the system from within" I was actually referring to making NH itself even more liberty-friendly. I don't pretend that we're going to be able to singlehandedly change the way the entire system works on a federal level. But we can win many small-yet-significant battles on the state and local levels.

I'm not talking about electing Libertarian dog-catchers here. It is possible to achieve some success by running for offices -- the FSP already has one member who was elected into the state legislature, and I believe there are some more primed to run in the next cycle. But the liberty movement in NH (fueled in large part by the FSP) has activists showing up in Concord, watching every move made by the state government. Believe it or not, the presence of concerned citizens showing up at legislative hearings actually does have a big effect.

Earlier this year, NH gun owners filled a legislative hearing room at the State House in Concord, where legislators were going to discuss some anti-gun legislation (relating to concealed carry IIRC). The overwhelming presence of concerned citizens -- more than 600 -- had an obvious effect on the proceedings, and the bill was quickly deemed "inexpedient to legislate" -- i.e., it was killed. In NH, the legislature actually takes notice when its constituents are watching. I believe we can use this mechanism to steer a lot of state policy to a more liberty-friendly direction.

 

[Bruehound]

Free State Project

 

[Defeat_the_Neocons]

Sigh! If people waited until "most of the country...." we would all still be British.

Different times man.

Look I'm not saying lay down and give up. All I am saying is I don't see current day Americans revolting or supporting a revolt.

Maybe I'm just too pessimistic?

 

[uncloned21]

New Zealand.

 

[davidkachel]

Different times man.

Look I'm not saying lay down and give up. All I am saying is I don't see current day Americans revolting or supporting a revolt.

Maybe I'm just too pessimistic?

The entire history of the human race can be summed up in six words, leaving very little history out: "One continuous struggle to be free."

At the dawn of time a half dozen of Grok's cave dwelling companions realized that they could eat too if they would just sneak up behind Grok while he was feasting on his latest kill and crush his skull with a rock. This was the first democracy (they took a vote and Grok lost), the first legislature and the first tax.
They quickly learned that if they would do a little less damage to Grok (they had to get a new Grok; the first one was dead), allowing for him to recover, they could eat more often by levying this tax regularly.

Government has remained precisely identical in theory and practice to this day.

My point? People by and large are unaware and uninterested in their lack of freedom and always have been. AND, as long as "the government" keeps crushing Grok's skull and passing out the pork, damn few people are going to demand their freedom. (After all, Grok's double vision is a small price to pay for their happiness.) Revolts have never been supported by anything approaching the majority of ANY population. Read your American history. You will be appalled at the behavior of the vast majority of the Colonists.

The secret to getting and keeping freedom is simple: You must be willing to die for your freedom more than the other guy is willing to die to keep it from you. If you die often enough, he will get tired and go home.

 

[Shink]

Doesn't matter where you move--globalism is still gunning for you. Draw the line in the sand at home right now.

 

[voortrekker]

There is no where to go.

The U.S.A is was the first and will be the last for individual freedom.

I'm staying here come hell or high water.

Come what may, I will stand and fight for a free Republic.


"Posterity, you will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freeedom(THIS MEANS YOU). I hope you will use it wisely, because if you do not, I will repent in heaven that we took half the pains to preserve it."

- John Adams

let's re-read this: "Posterity, you will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freeedom."

 

[Defeat_the_Neocons]

Revolts have never been supported by anything approaching the majority of ANY population. .

Iran revolution? You probably could say Gandhi too.

But I must ask do revolts not to have to have "the simple" population sympathetic to be successful? The simple population who just wants an easy life and cares nothing about freedom is basically a tool. The powers-that-be control that tool right now with an iron grip(although the internet is lessening the grip) and could use it against you with lies and propaganda. You would have to win them over.

Right now the media and hideous false flag operations could easily get that whole simple population coming down on you. Then you will go down in history books as belonging to a crazed terrorist group.

Anyway, would you stay in this nation if they started a draft after attacking Iran? What would you do?