Anti-Smoking Fascists won't hire smokers

[phill4paul]

It IS your 24/7 duty to not murder people and steal. Is that a big deal?

Apples<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>Oranges.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I think a corporate dystopia is possible too.

So do I.

Others have a too short sighted view of history.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I think a corporate dystopia is possible too.

So do I.

Others have a too short sighted view of history.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

So do I.

Others have a too short sighted view of history.

I have been asked to do a thread on the potential for different kinds of dystopias. I've actually been considering writing a Science Fiction novel exploring that theme. I've been trying to gather some thoughts before posting this thread.

 

[mad cow]

Anti-Smoking Fascists won't hire smokers

If you force employers to hire smokers against their will by Government fiat,Who is the Fascist?

 

[Anti Federalist]

I have been asked to do a thread on the potential for different kinds of dystopias. I've actually been considering writing a Science Fiction novel exploring that theme. I've been trying to gather some thoughts before posting this thread.

I look forward to it.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

So do I.

Others have a too short sighted view of history.

Again showing the importance to our movement of historians. Most of what people believe politically is based not on philosophy, not on economics, but on what they think that "history has taught us."

For example: What happens if you don't go attack some dictator in a foreign country? Well then next year the risk is that once again you won't attack him. And then you don't attack him again. This is appeasement, right? That's what Chamberlain did. And so then before you know it you have another Hitler. This is what "history has taught us." Right?

Revisionist history is extremely important. It can change a person's whole outlook on any number of issues. We need more good historians, and we need to promote and get into better circulation the high-quality historical work that has already been done.

As for this issue, I believe that I would differ with you in regards to most of what you know about labor history, business history, the "robber barons" of late 1800s America, the historical behavior of unions, and other historical topics along those lines. This is because most of what you know about these things are either distorted or completely false, drawn from a very one-sided and self-serving version of history that you were served in the government school camps you attended.

People -- not just you, AF, not just Brian4Liberty and DamianTV, but almost all people -- have a completely unrealistic view as to the power of corporations. This is taught in the schools, and reinforced in nearly all media, literature, and other artistic expression, as well as news, documentaries, popular biographies and histories, and other non-fiction. The Big Corporation is always the villian. Everywhere and always we encounter Evil Lord Business: Mr. Potter, Lex Luthor, Cruella De Vil, Mr. Burns. An actual study was done that showed that if there is a businessman or -woman character in a murder mystery TV show, guess what? Chances are he did it.

This attitude is deep-rooted in our culture. I am not going to excise it from you over an internet forum. I never convince anyone of anything! Even simple things! I accept that. I'm just not very persuasive.

So understand that I respect your thoughts, and that working from the givens you are working with (namely: that Big Business and specifically The Boss is overwhelmingly more powerful than those he associates with; that he is an almost omnipotent Goliath while the employee or the customer is the little guy, the bug under his feet waiting to be squashed at his discretion) your position is not an unreasonable one. It is just that I happen to be working from a different set of givens, a superior set in my view (of course), which leads me to a different conclusion.

My conclusion also has the perk of being beautifully consistent and elegant. Everyone may associate with whomever they want. Period. That is so logical, so seemingly irrefutable, it just makes you want to agree with it, doesn't it?

Regardless, here is my trump card: Government Doesn't Work. Even if you think that there is a problem with employers having too much power, asking their employees to do unreasonable things, making them too close to serfs or slaves for comfort, even if that's what you immovably think, it does not follow that the solution to that is [cue trumpet fanfare]:

More government intervention!

Government does not work. When we use the government to try to solve a problem, usually it just makes that problem even worse! The problem can't get any worse? You'd be surprised! You'd be surprised how bad the employer-employee relationship and power dynamic could get, if the government just puts its mind to it. So let's instead seek voluntary solutions that might actually have at least some small chance of working. Let's leave the government out of it, since trying to use government to solve our problems simply doesn't work.