Anti-Smoking Fascists won't hire smokers

[Anti Federalist]

Tell that to an ex-con caught up in the W.O.D.

Or a young black male...last time I looked, the unemployment figure for them was at around 50 percent

 

[Anti Federalist]

Yes. They are not your babysitter or the guardian of your job security. That is your job.

OK then, you can get fired for failure to perform daily felletio on the boss.

Just wanted to make sure we were clear on that.

 

[phill4paul]

Or a young black male...last time I looked, the unemployment figure for them was at around 50 percent

They can just start their own business. It's soooooooooo easy.

 

[CaseyJones]

seriously AF did you have a really bad experience as a cabin boy or something?

 

[Massachusetts]

OK then, you can get fired for failure to perform daily felletio on the boss.

Just wanted to make sure we were clear on that.

Extortion and blackmail is against the law.

Extortion and blackmail is not the same as discrimination.

 

[Anti Federalist]

An ex-con can be self-employed. Who is stopping them?

Ohhh, off the top of my head, government permitting agencies, insurance companies, real estate rental agencies, mortgage brokers...

 

[Anti Federalist]

Extortion and blackmail is against the law.

Extortion and blackmail is not the same as discrimination.

I find being forced to piss in a bottle, to bring my OFF THE CLOCK behaviour into compliance, as repulsive and a form of extortion to be just as great as being required to perform daily fellatio.

 

[Anti Federalist]

seriously AF did you have a really bad experience as a cabin boy or something?

What, did Danke put you up to that?

Seriously, I contend that Big Business can oppress people just as quickly as Big Government can.

I did not have a bad experience, but a very close friend and shipmate did, at the hands of the coal barons in WV.

People were murdered for trying to just "find another job" like some here so blithely suggest, when they no longer wanted to get killed in the coal mines.

 

[Anti Federalist]

They can just start their own business. It's soooooooooo easy.

Nothing to it...

 

[phill4paul]

seriously AF did you have a really bad experience as a cabin boy or something?

WTF? I seriously didn't expect something like this from you C.J. AF concerns are the same as my own. Government controls business because big business likes to control the business marketplace. This is AmeriKan economics 101.
If this were a free market I might find validation myself in the "business owners have the right" mentality. The business owners aren't expressing a "right." They are expressing a government marketplace healthcare incentive.

 

[mad cow]

OK then, you can get fired for failure to perform daily felletio on the boss.

Just wanted to make sure we were clear on that.

If prostitution was legal in America,which I 100% think that it should be,then yes,if your job description entailed blow jobs,your employer (AKA the john) has every right to fire you.

Don't want to give blow jobs for money,don't take a job giving blow jobs for money.
Yes,it's that simple.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I find being forced to piss in a bottle, to bring my OFF THE CLOCK behaviour into compliance, as repulsive and a form of extortion to be just as great as being required to perform daily fellatio.

I can kind of empathize with that, though. Employee's reputations tend to reflect on the business. In these days of instant business reviews and gossip, news that company x hires some guy who frequents brothels or whatever can hurt a business' reputation. Reputation is pretty much all a business has. (which distinguishes it from the regime-which continues to operate despite its godawful rep globally)

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Under your completely unrealistic scenario, where the only option period, is an employer that refuses to hire smokers, you merely lost the right to smoke and concurrently hold a job with that specific employer. You have the right to continue to smoke, but you won't have a job with that company.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I believe that my scenario is the common one, and yours is the extraordinary one.

Not every one will pack up and leave. There are dozens of reasons why they won't. Lack of a comparable job in the same area is one of those reasons.

In the real world, when the employers decided to demand a urine sample, I know of dozens of people who complained, and not a single one who refused.

 

[phill4paul]

I can kind of empathize with that, though. Employee's reputations tend to reflect on the business. In these days of instant business reviews and gossip, news that company x hires some guy who frequents brothels or whatever can hurt a business' reputation. Reputation is pretty much all a business has. (which distinguishes it from the regime-which continues to operate despite its godawful rep globally)

Who controls the message of what is the right or wrong image? At one time everyone lit up cigarettes in the social world. Everywhere, all the time. It was a social norm. A social norm that was promoted by government because of business interests. Now it is not.
If prostitution, or sex in general outside of marriage, was not prosecuted by government than it is quite possible that it would be an accepted norm.
"Reputation" is not the issue. Bottom line and control is.

 

[donnay]

If we had a truly free market the fascist wouldn't own businesses...for long.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Who controls the message of what is the right or wrong image? At one time everyone lit up cigarettes in the social world. Everywhere, all the time. It was a social norm. A social norm that was promoted by government because of business interests. Now it is not.
If prostitution, or sex in general outside of marriage, was not prosecuted by government than it is quite possible that it would be an accepted norm.
"Reputation" is not the issue. Bottom line and control is.

It's amazing how much the "powers that be" love making us Mundanes jump through their hoops.

 

[Anti Federalist]

If prostitution was legal in America,which I 100% think that it should be,then yes,if your job description entailed blow jobs,your employer (AKA the john) has every right to fire you.

Don't want to give blow jobs for money,don't take a job giving blow jobs for money.
Yes,it's that simple.

No it's not, because that would BE the job.

Not ancillary to the job.

But I get what you're saying, the employer can do whatever he wants to you, once you agree to take some money in exchange for part of your time and skills, they own you.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

If we had a truly free market the fascist would own businesses...for long.

What do you mean?

 

[mad cow]

No it's not, because that would BE the job.

Not ancillary to the job.

But I get what you're saying, the employer can do whatever he wants to you, once you agree to take some money in exchange for part of your time and skills, they own you.

You do not get what I'm saying.I'm saying nobody owns anybody in a voluntary agreement.Party A owns (is owed) a certain performance as agreed upon from party B and Party B owns (is owed) so much payment as agreed upon from party A.

Don't like the terms,don't strike the agreement.

 

[Anti Federalist]

You do not get what I'm saying.I'm saying nobody owns anybody in a voluntary agreement.Party A owns (is owed) a certain performance as agreed upon from party B and Party B owns (is owed) so much payment as agreed upon from party A.

Don't like the terms,don't strike the agreement.

I'm sure that daily fellatio would not be written up into any formal agreement.

But leaving that aside, let us assume that performance standard is being met.

Everything that I've heard so far has stated, "that means nothing, the employer can pretty much do whatever he wants, regardless of how meaningless, vincdictive, pointless or oppressive."

So, then, it really doesn't matter now, does it...you're ass is owned, because we all (used to) have to make a living.