Anti-Smoking Fascists won't hire smokers

[euphemia]

Pretty petty; I wouldn't want to work for you if you were that concerned about a couple minutes. The other employees simply find other ways to take time from you anyway. We're human beings, not machines.

Not exactly. Before my employer went entirely smoke free, I worked extra because three people had to have their smoke breaks. Assuming that's 15 minutes three times a shift per smoker, when do I get to walk down to the restroom? Customer reliant businesses have to be staffed.

 

[phill4paul]

How about you guys make a Rant where you all would put Limits on your own Rights, what is considered Cooperation, what is considered Obedience? How would you make sure we both retain the maximum level of Freedom? Not just in regards to Smoking, but ANY trigger topic...

Cooperation, to me, is that I do what is required by an employer on their time. Cooperation from them is that they allow me to do what I want on my time.
Unless they are contracting to pay me 24/7/364. In which case all my time is their time. If they are only contracting to pay me 40 hrs. per week then 40 hrs. per week is all I owe them.
Which is neither here nor there because... f-'em. This is exactly why I choose to work for cash outside of the "system."

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Cooperation, to me, is that I do what is required by an employer on their time. Cooperation from them is that they allow me to do what I want on my time.
Unless they are contracting to pay me 24/7/364. In which case all my time is their time. If they are only contracting to pay me 40 hrs. per week then 40 hrs. per week is all I owe them.
Which is neither here nor there because... f-'em. This is exactly why I choose to work for cash outside of the "system."

well said, comrade. Let us hope that working for cash is always an option and Big Brother doesn't force us into a nationalized digital currency scheme.

 

[Henry Rogue]

I only hire smokers.

 

[mad cow]

I only hire smokers.

And that is your right.

 

[phill4paul]

well said, comrade. Let us hope that working for cash is always an option and Big Brother doesn't force us into a nationalized digital currency scheme.

Cash in trade or trade in trade will always be an option.

Interesting story....

Was talking to my brother and I told him..."I mentioned to the lady I'm working for that I fired the sister of a mutual friend." I then went on to describe the circumstance. I told her "That's what I like about working for myself. I can fire my employer." She had been pretty "on me" about how the project was going. Later in the day she asked me if I had entertained thoughts about firing her. Lol. My brother said " That's what I love about you, bro. You can turn an employer into an employee."
Don't get me wrong. She is a wonderful person that has her own way and as a contractor for her I try to meet her needs. But, at some point, I have to make clear the situation.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Cash in trade or trade in trade will always be an option.

Interesting story....

Was talking to my brother and I told him..."I mentioned to the lady I'm working for that I fired the sister of a mutual friend." I then went on to describe the circumstance. I told her "That's what I like about working for myself. I can fire my employer." She had been pretty "on me" about how the project was going. Later in the day she asked me if I had entertained thoughts about firing her. Lol. My brother said " That's what I love about you, bro. You can turn an employer into an employee."
Don't get me wrong. She is a wonderful person that has her own way and as a contractor for her I try to meet her needs. But, at some point, I have to make clear the situation.

(no sarc intended. That really is a cool story. I am impress.)

 

[phill4paul]

In today's news 99% of AmeriKas corporations have said that they will only hire Nationalist Party members. The government fully backs this proposal and has, at the companies behest, enacted new legislation backing this measure.

 

[Massachusetts]

Thus explaining the seemingly counter-intuitive union action supporting more immigration.

The simple fact of the matter is "we" are not going to get anywhere promoting, what boils down to, indentured servitude or the notion that you can be forced to fellate your boss as a condition of employment.

How can you equate a corporate policy that treats everybody equally (anybody who smokes will not be considered for the position) with what essentially amounts to extortion?

You can't.

 

[Massachusetts]

Nice strawman. You completely ignored my point, and are inferring that I called for employers to be forced to employee smokers. I said no such thing.

If you need a job, and your only option is an employer that demands you not to be a smoker, then you can't smoke. Your right to smoke has been effectively lost.

The hypothetical situation where your only option is an employer that demands you not be a smoker is unrealistic at best. It may be the "only option where the combination of hours, pay & benefits makes you happy", but there is no right to have a job nor a right to have a job that provides you a comfortable lifestyle. You merely have the right to pursue happiness and to pursue a comfortable lifestyle.

Under your completely unrealistic scenario, where the only option period, is an employer that refuses to hire smokers, you merely lost the right to smoke and concurrently hold a job with that specific employer. You have the right to continue to smoke, but you won't have a job with that company.

 

[Anti Federalist]

How can you equate a corporate policy that treats everybody equally (anybody who smokes will not be considered for the position) with what essentially amounts to extortion?

You can't.

Of course you can.

The ana-cap position is that an employer can demand whatever he wants from you as a condition of employment.

And that your only option is to leave and seek employment elsewhere.

So how would that not include daily fellatio, especially if that was the only job open to you?

 

[Anti Federalist]

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[Anti Federalist]

The hypothetical situation where your only option is an employer that demands you not be a smoker is unrealistic at best. It may be the "only option where the combination of hours, pay & benefits makes you happy", but there is no right to have a job nor a right to have a job that provides you a comfortable lifestyle. You merely have the right to pursue happiness and to pursue a comfortable lifestyle.

Under your completely unrealistic scenario, where the only option period, is an employer that refuses to hire smokers, you merely lost the right to smoke and concurrently hold a job with that specific employer. You have the right to continue to smoke, but you won't have a job with that company.

Replace "smokers" with "purple helmet givers" and there you go.

 

[Massachusetts]

Of course you can.

The ana-cap position is that an employer can demand whatever he wants from you as a condition of employment.

And that your only option is to leave and seek employment elsewhere.

So how would that not include daily fellatio, especially if that was the only job open to you?

This crap about it being the only job available is strictly to appeal to emotional instincts. There are always options to A) take lower pay B) work different hours C) relocate to another city and/or state D) become self-employed

 

[phill4paul]

How can you equate a corporate policy that treats everybody equally (anybody who smokes will not be considered for the position) with what essentially amounts to extortion?

You can't.

It doesn't treat everyone equally.

 

[phill4paul]

This crap about it being the only job available is strictly to appeal to emotional instincts.

Tell that to an ex-con caught up in the W.O.D.

 

[Anti Federalist]

This crap about it being the only job available is strictly to appeal to emotional instincts. There are always options to A) take lower pay B) work different hours C) relocate to another city and/or state D) become self-employed

Yeah, so?

What if none of those options are readily open to you?

Does your employer have the abosolute right to fire you for any reason at all, or not?

 

[Massachusetts]

Tell that to an ex-con caught up in the W.O.D.

An ex-con can be self-employed. Who is stopping them?

 

[Massachusetts]

Yeah, so?

What if none of those options are readily open to you?

Does your employer have the abosolute right to fire you for any reason at all, or not?

Yes. They are not your babysitter or the guardian of your job security. That is your job.

 

[phill4paul]

An ex-con can be self-employed. Who is stopping them?

What does that entail? What are the barriers? Are the barriers government created?