Another source has come out saying Ron Paul tinkering with 3rd party run.

[wgadget]

Also, the current meme in the left wing news is that Romney was upstaged by libertarian Clint Eastwood.

Just sayin.

Are they calling Eastwood a libertarian, and if so, is it in a derisive manner?

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Regardless of ron getting in debates, gaining momentum or what ever, Ron Paul actively campaigning for The White House would mean Mitt Romney's presidential aspirations just went down the drain.

Republicans would be in a dilemma.

 

[erowe1]

Could you elaborate? Why is off shoring good?

-t

Isn't it a way to get cheap labor? That sounds pretty good to me.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

If Ron is running under a third party that is not libertarian... Gary and Ron can team up against Obama and Romney. That would be badass.

If Ron is running under a third party that is not libertarian... Judge Napolitano would be VP. The Judge would eviscerate Paul Ryan and Biden at a VP debate.

No way in hell we can win, but I think of Ron's last chance to address the country on a national level. To address republicans, democrats, third party and independents at the debates.

If not libertarian, what would Ron Paul's 3rd party called? lol.

I think it is worth the money and time spent if Ron can use the debates to bring a few thousand or hundreds of thousands of people on our side for 2016.

Johnson/Paul or Paul/Johnson or Paul/Napolitano would be awesome ticket.

 

[wgadget]

The lol party?

 

[d991]

Unfortunately, need to think about the politics...

Although many would love to see Dr. Paul run 3rd party, at this point there are only 2 logical reasons I can see why he would do so:
1) Get back at the RNC for the way they treated him and his delegates at the convention
2) Dr. Paul truly believes that the political/economic situation in America is so dire that he must do even more than he has done to address the issue

First, I don't think that Dr. Paul would run as a third party out of spite or revenge, because he has already refused to endorse Romney and he must have expected at least this much resistance by the powers that be. So that eliminates reason #1.

As for point #2, it is evident in his speeches, campaign rhetoric, books, etc. that Dr. Paul believes America is truly on the wrong course. But what would have changed between mid-summer and now that would make him change his mind to run 3rd party? If he really believes that America does not have 4 more years to try to turn things around, then he would have gone 3rd party a long time ago rather than this plan to "take over" the Republican party. I just don't see what could have changed last week that would make Dr. Paul change his strategy. I would love to have seen Dr. Paul become president but barring a miracle, with all the power in the hands of the Democrats and Republicans it is very likely that it will be Obama or Romney, and a 3rd party run would just be a wake-up campaign for Americans. And that's assuming he gets in the debates, which he won't, so the message won't really get played out much more than it did during the Republican primaries where at least the media had some interest in printing his talking points.


So as much as I would love to see a 3rd party run from a "stick it to the Republican bigwigs" standpoint, it doesn't make sense at all for Dr. Paul to run.

 

[dancjm]

If he could only get into the debates, that would be all we need.

If he could have the chance to debate Obama, millions would turn instantly.

 

[No1butPaul]

Maybe the Paul/Eastwood message is getting popular (this was just posted a few hours ago).

From California candidate John Dennis (running against Nancy Pelosi)

 

[Carlybee]

I'm the voice of reason. This is suicide bomber stuff. Nothing to gain. No money = self-mutilation. If you can't raise at least 400 million, you have no business running. Where is Dr.Paul going to get this kind of money?

We'll let Ron Paul be the judge of that if he decides to run. You nor we have any way of knowing what his resources above and beyond his grassroots supporters are.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

Getting 15-20% as third party would be a HUGE bump for future third parties. The libertarians usually get what? 1-5% in the generals. The movement is no longer about Ron or the GOP or Rand... It is about breaking the 2 party paradigm that got this country trapped in a strangle hold. The country is being strangled by a boa constrictor and an anaconda at the same time.

I'll put in another 20.12 for the cause.

Debates will be worth it if he can get in...

Also, how can we prevent the polls from being rigged? He needs 15% eh? The establishment can pick polls and ignore polls.

 

[No1butPaul]

Wonder if anyone saw this little tidbit on the FB page:

Patrick Henry
Just rec this:
Fili Kyre
From: Richard Gilbert (Attorney with Attorneys for Ron Paul)

I negotiated for 3 weeks with Gary Johnson's attorney. In the end GJ was not willing to offer Dr Paul the top of the ticket. GJ wanted Dr Paul to run as VP. At that point I ended the negotiations.

 

[michael6186]

So even if we were able to get Paul to run third party and somehow poll above the 15% threshold in several national polls...will the people that run the debates even care? Neither Obama or Romney have any incentive to allow a third party into the debates. Call me a pessimist, but I see us getting burned again...

 

[idiom]

Are they calling Eastwood a libertarian, and if so, is it in a derisive manner?

Its more a WTF were the Republicans thinking? Every attack on Obama he made was a backhanded attack on Romney as well.

 

[eleganz]

So even if we were able to get Paul to run third party and somehow poll above the 15% threshold in several national polls...will the people that run the debates even care? Neither Obama or Romney have any incentive to allow a third party into the debates. Call me a pessimist, but I see us getting burned again...

so the question is do you give up right here and right now or do you keep going and expose every con they throw at us?

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

I hope we will leave Ron alone after November =P... He should enjoy working on his garden, riding his bike on his property, and play with his grand kids till the end of days.

 

[69360]

So even if we were able to get Paul to run third party and somehow poll above the 15% threshold in several national polls...will the people that run the debates even care? Neither Obama or Romney have any incentive to allow a third party into the debates. Call me a pessimist, but I see us getting burned again...

They would simply raise the goalposts and make it 25%

He's not going to do it anyway, it's just wild internet speculation.

 

[wgadget]

You guys..Go watch the old 1989 video of Ron Paul that sailingaway posted. It's him talking about what he learned from his 1988 Libertarian run.

It seemed that the takeaway was that his goal was to increase the overall viability of third parties. He sounded very hopeful at the time. Maybe NOW is his time.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

If Ron is running under a third party that is not libertarian... Gary and Ron can team up against Obama and Romney. That would be badass.

If Ron is running under a third party that is not libertarian... Judge Napolitano would be VP. The Judge would eviscerate Paul Ryan and Biden at a VP debate.

No way in hell We can win!!!!, but I think of Ron's last chance to address the country on a national level. To address republicans, democrats, third party and independents at the debates.

If not libertarian, what would Ron Paul's 3rd party called? lol.

I think it is worth the money and time spent if Ron can use the debates to bring a few thousand or hundreds of thousands of people on our side for 2016.

Johnson/Paul or Paul/Johnson or Paul/Napolitano would be awesome ticket.

Fixed that for you!

But some interesting thoughts!

Although many would love to see Dr. Paul run 3rd party, at this point there [REDIRECT]are[/REDIRECT] is only [REDIRECT]2[/REDIRECT] 1 logical reasons I can see why he would do so:

2) Dr. Paul truly believes that the political/economic situation in America is so dire that he must do even more than he has done to address the issue

First, I don't think that Dr. Paul would run as a third party out of spite or revenge, because he has already refused to endorse Romney and he must have expected at least this much resistance by the powers that be. So that eliminates reason #1.

As for point #2, it is evident in his speeches, campaign rhetoric, books, etc. that Dr. Paul believes America is truly on the wrong course. But what would have changed between mid-summer and now that would make him change his mind to run 3rd party? If he really believes that America does not have 4 more years to try to turn things around, then he would have gone 3rd party a long time ago rather than this plan to "take over" the Republican party. I just don't see what could have changed last week that would make Dr. Paul change his strategy. I would love to have seen Dr. Paul become president but barring a miracle, with all the power in the hands of the Democrats and Republicans it is very likely that it will be Obama or Romney, and a 3rd party run would just be a wake-up campaign for Americans. And that's assuming he gets in the debates, which he won't, so the message won't really get played out much more than it did during the Republican primaries where at least the media had some interest in printing his talking points.


So as much as I would love to see a 3rd party run from a "stick it to the Republican bigwigs" standpoint, it doesn't make sense at all for Dr. Paul to run.

+1

If Ron throws a press conference to announce and gives the reasons why he is running third with examples of our movement getting shafted...I can see how many people wouldn't blame him for doing what hes doing.

I honestly think MOST Romney voters would slowly jump ship as Ron's numbers rise in the polls, Republican voters don't even like the guy. They see a real conservative, they'll probably vote for him and that guy is Ron.

If Ron doesn't run...we may never have a third party opportunity ever again until one of the two party drops off the face of the earth.

P1: Oh come on!
P2: Right On!!!!
P3: I agree with you.

-t

 

[wgadget]

Wonder if anyone saw this little tidbit on the FB page:

What does Richard Gilbert have to do with Ron Paul negotiating with GJ?

 

[eleganz]

They would simply raise the goalposts and make it 25%

He's not going to do it anyway, it's just wild internet speculation.

yea we could've said the same thing about him running in the GOP and the same crap happened. Guess what? we did it anyway.

go be negative to yourself in the mirror.