Anonymous update II

[ivflight]

Today a call went out for botnets to join, and yes - computers that have been hijacked. That doesn't prevent the owner from using the machine, though.

Most of this has been with a voluntary botnet. The volunteers download the software, configure it to take instructions from the hive and rock and roll!

-t

If they're volunteering that's fine. The hijacking thing is a real problem, it doesn't matter if they can still use the machine. Kind of like in Dark Night.

 

[torchbearer]

Interesting. Up until this point the attacks have operated simply by having enough angry people willing to join in. It's kind of like an anarchist version of SETI @ home. There is one perverse advantage to hijacked machines though. The owners of the machines have plausible deniability. Is it worse to hijack a machine with a trojan horse that you know is really harmless than it is to recruit some 16 y/o into a plan that might screw up the rest of his life?

or by having the hijacks, you protect the 16 year old by giving him plausible deniability.

 

[ivflight]

its not the touching the government that is the worst offense, its getting special favors, protections from competition, the whole nine yards. a business married to the government is no longer a true private company.
and when that puppet business of the government defends the government by clamping down on the finances of those who are exposing the truth... then it is just to consider that business part of the tyranny and lies you are fighting.

I'm still waiting to hear from anyone how Paypal is colluding with the government. Like I said, they're not even a real bank in the US, and as far as I know Paypal does not rely on any govt protections. I'm sure Paypal pays tons of taxes, and they probably don't like it any more than we do. It is so unfortunate that the one biggish payment processor that really isn't helped by the govt is getting attacked so much.

 

[torchbearer]

I'm still waiting to hear from anyone how Paypal is colluding with the government. Like I said, they're not even a real bank in the US, and as far as I know Paypal does not rely on any govt protections. I'm sure Paypal pays tons of taxes, and they probably don't like it any more than we do. It is so unfortunate that the one biggish payment processor that really isn't helped by the govt is getting attacked so much.

from what i read, paypal got it from the other end. meaning, they were threatened by the state department, so to keep their business from being buried by government audits, they caved in, just like some banks did during the bail-outs.

 

[ivflight]

from what i read, paypal got it from the other end. meaning, they were threatened by the state department, so to keep their business from being buried by government audits, they caved in, just like some banks did during the bail-outs.

If this is true it really isn't something we should hassle Paypal about. We should do what we do best and attack the govt. I give in to govt demands all the time, but I know I'm not colluding with the govt.

 

[torchbearer]

If this is true it really isn't something we should hassle Paypal about. We should do what we do best and attack the govt. I give in to govt demands all the time, but I know I'm not colluding with the govt.

paypal should fear the consumers more than the government.

 

[specsaregood]

Like I said, they're not even a real bank in the US, and as far as I know Paypal does not rely on any govt protections.

It is a bank in the EU. And IIRC in some states. I think LA was the first state to require them to have a bank charter and a brick and mortar location years ago. There are probably other states as well -- it is a state by state thing.

Also they started putting funds in FDIC-backed accounts years ago.

 

[ivflight]

paypal should fear the consumers more than the government.

Yes, I should have been more clear. We should vote with our dollars, but we shouldn't literally attack them. Like I said in another thread, when Paypal calls me for our annual chat, I'm going to give them an earful about wikileaks.

Also they started putting funds in FDIC-backed accounts years ago.

Can you explain this? They may have money in banks that are FDIC insured, but this wouldn't come close to covering their holdings because they probably don't have 100 million accounts there. Paypal users do not have bank account numbers.

At least we can agree that Paypal is less protected by the govt than pretty much any other big payment processor. If some govts are requiring them to jump through hoops can we really blame Paypal for complying?

 

[ivflight]

Can you explain this? They may have money in banks that are FDIC insured, but this wouldn't come close to covering their holdings because they probably don't have 100 million accounts there. Paypal users do not have bank account numbers.

Ok, so if you don't use the Paypal money markey then there is some pass-through protection, but this is a service of the banks that Paypal uses. Paypal is not a bank, they use banks to hold their money just like the rest of us do. You don't get to accuse me of colluding with the govt because I have a checking account that is FDIC insured.

 

[specsaregood]

Can you explain this? They may have money in banks that are FDIC insured, but this wouldn't come close to covering their holdings because they probably don't have 100 million accounts there. Paypal users do not have bank account numbers.

They deposit the funds in pooled accounts and users are covered through FDIC pass through insurance. You can google it if you want more info. It has been awhile since I remember reading about it.

 

[specsaregood]

Ok, so if you don't use the Paypal money markey then there is some pass-through protection, but this is a service of the banks that Paypal uses. Paypal is not a bank, they use banks to hold their money just like the rest of us do. You don't get to accuse me of colluding with the govt because I have a checking account that is FDIC insured.

You said:

Paypal does not rely on any govt protections

Is not FDIC insurance a govt protection?

 

[ivflight]

You said:

Is not FDIC insurance a govt protection?

Read my post. Probably every person in the country has FDIC insured bank accounts just like Paypal has and FDIC insured bank account. If we're allowed to attack Paypal because of this, then we can attack anybody for colluding with the govt. This is the slippery slope I was talking about in my first post.

 

[specsaregood]

Read my post. Probably every person in the country has FDIC insured bank accounts just like Paypal has and FDIC insured bank account. If we're allowed to attack Paypal because of this, then we can attack anybody for colluding with the govt. This is the slippery slope I was talking about in my first post.

Right, well I didn't make that argument. I just attempted to correct your absolutist claim as well as point out that they are a bank.

 

[ivflight]

Right, well I didn't make that argument. I just attempted to correct your absolutist claim as well as point out that they are a bank.

Absolutist? I said, "as far as I know Paypal does not rely on any govt protections", but you clipped out the "as far as I know". They have the same FDIC protection that every other person on this forum does, so why try and separate them out?

Paypal is not a bank in the US, and in most of the world.

 

[DAFTEK]

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[libertybrewcity]

how illegal is this?

 

[torchbearer]

how illegal is this?

imagine so many protestors in front of your store that no customer could get inside.
DDOS is basically the same thing.

 

[ivflight]

imagine so many protestors in front of your store that no customer could get inside.
DDOS is basically the same thing.

Perfect explanation.


And this is exactly the kind of thing that the govt will use as reason to regulate/destroy the internet.

 

[Nate-ForLiberty]

Perfect explanation.


And this is exactly the kind of thing that the govt will use as reason to regulate/destroy the internet.

The government is already trying to regulate/destroy the internet. Non-violent protesting is THE MOST effective way to bring about positive change.

 

[ARealConservative]

imagine so many protestors in front of your store that no customer could get inside.
DDOS is basically the same thing.

actually the protesters are continually walking inside your store allowing nobody else inside.